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The article mentions size of football and mentions improvements to legacy such as concessions and skyboxes. However, I have seen nothing on the future size of the basketball arena,

The current BJJC size is to small for many activities such as NCAA tournaments or major conference tournaments such as AAC or Gymnastics. Does any know the proposed size?

I thought it said 500 less than now

(08-18-2016 06:23 PM)uabbean Wrote:  The article mentions size of football and mentions improvements to legacy such as concessions and skyboxes. However, I have seen nothing on the future size of the basketball arena,

The current BJJC size is to small for many activities such as NCAA tournaments or major conference tournaments such as AAC or Gymnastics. Does any know the proposed size?

I don't believe the BJCC is too small to host the 2nd Round games of the tournament. However, for the Sweet 16 it is too small. The BJCC is outdated and doesn't have the amenities other arenas of similar sizes. Taco Bell Arena in Boise hosted the 1st and 2nd round games in 2009 and only seats 14,500. They are scheduled to host again in 2018.

I don't believe Legacy Arena at the BJCC can be substantially enlarged except by major ($$$) rebuilding. B'ham NEEDS the MPF for year round, all weather events, and I believe that is where the city's leaders want to use that kind of money. UAB would be fine with either the MPF, the BJCC stadium or an OCS. It just needs to get moved out of Legion Field so it can gain complete control of its ticket sales.

(08-18-2016 08:46 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 06:23 PM)uabbean Wrote:  The article mentions size of football and mentions improvements to legacy such as concessions and skyboxes. However, I have seen nothing on the future size of the basketball arena,

The current BJJC size is to small for many activities such as NCAA tournaments or major conference tournaments such as AAC or Gymnastics. Does any know the proposed size?

I don't believe the BJCC is too small to host the 2nd Round games of the tournament. However, for the Sweet 16 it is too small. The BJCC is outdated and doesn't have the amenities other arenas of similar sizes. Taco Bell Arena in Boise hosted the 1st and 2nd round games in 2009 and only seats 14,500. They are scheduled to host again in 2018.

Yet that dump of an arena in Dayton is allowed to host games every year. Those games need to move around like all the other rounds. I'm sure there are other old mid-sized arenas around the country that would love to host those games.

They would need to build a dome instead of an outdoor stadium and then the NCAA tourney could return as far as Sweet 16/Final 8 games. Not sure why we would build an outdoor stadium there except for cost but indoor would be a better facility for things other than football.

Other American cities have remodeled with explosives when old facilities have become obsolete. Next year, Atlanta will use demolition on the GA Dome when the Mercedes-Benz MPF comes on line. In Alabama, we hold onto them as "historic" and too expensive to replace.

In most other progressive American cities, the Legacy Arena would be demolished and replaced with a modern state of the art arena rather than remodeled and renovated like the Bell Gym. Of course other cities may not be controlled by a state government dedicated to remaining the "Lowest tax (and wage) state in America".

(08-21-2016 01:49 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Other American cities have remodeled with explosives when old facilities have become obsolete. Next year, Atlanta will use demolition on the GA Dome when the Mercedes-Benz MPF comes on line. In Alabama, we hold onto them as "historic" and too expensive to replace.

In most other progressive American cities, the Legacy Arena would be demolished and replaced with a modern state of the art arena rather than remodeled and renovated like the Bell Gym. Of course other cities may not be controlled by a state government dedicated to remaining the "Lowest tax (and wage) state in America".

GA DOME is the best stadium in the entire USA. That is the model I've always wanted at BJCC.

(08-21-2016 08:58 PM)bigdunks Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 01:49 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Other American cities have remodeled with explosives when old facilities have become obsolete. Next year, Atlanta will use demolition on the GA Dome when the Mercedes-Benz MPF comes on line. In Alabama, we hold onto them as "historic" and too expensive to replace.

In most other progressive American cities, the Legacy Arena would be demolished and replaced with a modern state of the art arena rather than remodeled and renovated like the Bell Gym. Of course other cities may not be controlled by a state government dedicated to remaining the "Lowest tax (and wage) state in America".

GA DOME is the best stadium in the entire USA. That is the model I've always wanted at BJCC.

Too bad B'ham can't buy it and move it over here. The updated MPF (from 1998 design to an improved 2020 state of the art design) would do very well in its place.

(08-21-2016 08:58 PM)bigdunks Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 01:49 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Other American cities have remodeled with explosives when old facilities have become obsolete. Next year, Atlanta will use demolition on the GA Dome when the Mercedes-Benz MPF comes on line. In Alabama, we hold onto them as "historic" and too expensive to replace.

In most other progressive American cities, the Legacy Arena would be demolished and replaced with a modern state of the art arena rather than remodeled and renovated like the Bell Gym. Of course other cities may not be controlled by a state government dedicated to remaining the "Lowest tax (and wage) state in America".

GA DOME is the best stadium in the entire USA. That is the model I've always wanted at BJCC.

I take it you don't have long legs? :-) The Dome is fine for functionality but suuuuucks for seat comfort. Every time I go I have to sit all cockeyed in the seat so I can fold my legs up under me. I hope the new MB stadium won't have the same problem.

I also hope that if the new stadium gets built in Birmingham, they plan for a little bit better knee space. That was one actually good thing about Legion Field - no slamming my legs into the seat in front of me.

(08-21-2016 01:49 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Other American cities have remodeled with explosives when old facilities have become obsolete. Next year, Atlanta will use demolition on the GA Dome when the Mercedes-Benz MPF comes on line. In Alabama, we hold onto them as "historic" and too expensive to replace.

In most other progressive American cities, the Legacy Arena would be demolished and replaced with a modern state of the art arena rather than remodeled and renovated like the Bell Gym. Of course other cities may not be controlled by a state government dedicated to remaining the "Lowest tax (and wage) state in America".

We aren't the only city in the country to do renovations to an arena. We won't be the last to do so either. If a football stadium is being built as well, it's probably a little difficult to throw another couple hundred million to have a brand new basketball arena into the budget. If we had endless funds in the state, sure why not. My house is 20 years old, maybe I should blow it up and rebuild too, because it is outdated in many aspects as well.

Legacy arena isn't the nicest venue I've ever been to in my life, but it is far from the worst. Just destroying it to keep up with the jones' isn't something I would do though.

I'm thinking the 'shell' of Legacy will stay but the inside would be gutted and, in doing so, it would look brand newish.

(08-22-2016 10:57 AM)mobileblazer Wrote:  I'm thinking the 'shell' of Legacy will stay but the inside would be gutted and, in doing so, it would look brand newish.

As do I. They aren't discussing $1 million worth of renovations here.

(08-22-2016 08:15 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(08-21-2016 01:49 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Other American cities have remodeled with explosives when old facilities have become obsolete. Next year, Atlanta will use demolition on the GA Dome when the Mercedes-Benz MPF comes on line. In Alabama, we hold onto them as "historic" and too expensive to replace.

In most other progressive American cities, the Legacy Arena would be demolished and replaced with a modern state of the art arena rather than remodeled and renovated like the Bell Gym. Of course other cities may not be controlled by a state government dedicated to remaining the "Lowest tax (and wage) state in America".

We aren't the only city in the country to do renovations to an arena. We won't be the last to do so either. If a football stadium is being built as well, it's probably a little difficult to throw another couple hundred million to have a brand new basketball arena into the budget. If we had endless funds in the state, sure why not. My house is 20 years old, maybe I should blow it up and rebuild too, because it is outdated in many aspects as well.

Legacy arena isn't the nicest venue I've ever been to in my life, but it is far from the worst. Just destroying it to keep up with the jones' isn't something I would do though.

Your house is not in competition with houses in several surrounding states for occupancy. The BJCC and whatever it offers is in such a competition and presently it is not winning too many of those efforts. We have seen - but often disregard - the loss of events because we can't match up with our competition's offerings. The list is growing every year as other cities build new while we renovate, standing in place.

NOTE: Had the MPF been built after an affirmative 1998 vote, UAB football would have been out of Legion Field over a decade by now and perhaps not have been killed. UAB fans might now be picking out which bowl we wanted to play in this winter after 3 seasons of FBHC Clark's tenure instead of watching scrimmages.

Thinking only in terms of sports limits comprehension of the whole need to compete for the hundreds of events not covered by sports media.

If the new Legacy is ether gutted or torn down. Will the configuration be built for hockey (or other uses) or for basketball?

PS May mean nothing but the zone guys said that must be over 20,000 for new NCAA basketball events

20,00 for regionals and beyond. Not first round.

(08-22-2016 02:07 PM)uabbean Wrote:  If the new Legacy is ether gutted or torn down. Will the configuration be built for hockey (or other uses) or for basketball?

PS May mean nothing but the zone guys said that must be over 20,000 for new NCAA basketball events

Legacy will be renovated and I doubt it will be completely gutted. I'm sure the renovations will involved creating more space for conventions and other events.

The deadline to bid on preliminary rounds of the men's tournament of the 2019-2022 tournaments was August 12, 2016. So, this whole conversation is moot for the next 4-5 years anyway. Either a bid has already been submitted with the new or existing alignments of Legacy Arena or it is too late. If it is the former, the arena reconstruction must be completed by January of the year hosting.

BTW, there is no official additional requirement for seating capacities to host regionals.

Quote: 2.
Seating/Tickets.
a. In the configuration required for this Championship, the competition venue must have a saleable seating capacity of at least 10,000, though preference may be given to sites with a larger capacity

It's the "preference" to award regionals to larger venues.

If anyone wants to look at the Entire Bid Requirement Specs...http://67.227.214.227/~bidsncaa/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/DI-MBB-Sport-Specific-Bid-Specifications-2019-2022.pdf