"Admittedly, it could be challenging to find two Power 5 schools to schedule, especially with the Big Ten, Big 12, and Pac 12 all playing nine conference games. No matter what the league decides, the concern about schools wanting to continue to play FCS schools should be at the bottom of the list. Those games are a de facto exhibition game and serve no purpose other than to pay the smaller school for a beat down. In a perfect college football work it would be nice, but in the age of conference TV networks, quality inventory matters. The league has two more years to start lining up other Power 5 schools since the network won’t launch until 2019. Why not see if ESPN can lean on the SEC and try to schedule an ACC-SEC challenge?"

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I would so love this. Last year we sorta had an ACC-B1G challenge due to circumstances that lined-up just right. Definitely made the VT-Purdue game more worthwhile for me to watch.

I don't see the sense in having all 14 ACC teams play an SEC team every year. What makes more sense to me is letting our northern teams play Big Ten teams (or West Virginia), which makes more geographic (and competitive) sense.

My preferred lineup:

FSU/Florida
Clemson/South Carolina
Ga Tech/Georgia
Louisville/Kentucky
Pitt/West Virginia
UNC/Michigan
Virginia/Maryland
NC State/Penn State
Duke/Vanderbilt or Northwestern
Wake/Purdue or Vanderbilt
Syracuse/Rutgers
Va Tech/Michigan State
BC/Indiana
Miami/Tennessee

There was also talk of an ACC - Big 12 scheduling alliance a long time ago. I would not be surprised to see the Big 12 go back to eight conference games if they expand to twelve schools and split into divisions. They paid consultants to determine the ideal formula and that is what they came back with... twelve schools, eight conference games, and a conference championship game.

(08-18-2016 10:35 AM)Schema Wrote:  There was also talk of an ACC - Big 12 scheduling alliance a long time ago. I would not be surprised to see the Big 12 go back to eight conference games if they expand to twelve schools and split into divisions. They paid consultants to determine the ideal formula and that is what they came back with... twelve schools, eight conference games, and a conference championship game.

I think the ACC - Big 12 scheduling alliance didn't work because so many ACC teams wanted Kansas for their partner.

(08-18-2016 10:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  I don't see the sense in having all 14 ACC teams play an SEC team every year. What makes more sense to me is letting our northern teams play Big Ten teams (or West Virginia), which makes more geographic (and competitive) sense.

My preferred lineup:

FSU/Florida
Clemson/South Carolina
Ga Tech/Georgia
Louisville/Kentucky
Pitt/Penn State
UNC/Indiana
Virginia/Maryland
NC State/Purdue
Duke/Northwestern
Wake/Vanderbilt
Syracuse/West Virginia
Va Tech/Tennessee
BC/Rutgers
Miami/Ole Miss

FIFY

(08-18-2016 10:47 AM)ken d Wrote:  I think the ACC - Big 12 scheduling alliance didn't work because so many ACC teams wanted Kansas for their partner.

LOL!

I'm not saying that a scheduling alliance would happen or even that it should happen, but I would not be surprised to see the Big 12 go back to eight conference games, opening up more P5 scheduling opportunities.

Clemson once had a home and home agreement with Oklahoma State before the ACC originally voted to go to nine games and Clemson canceled it along with an Ole Miss agreement. However, I think that Oklahoma State series may have been a result of our former AD having ties with Oklahoma State. Anyway, I'm rambling now.

Once again, I am going to say that I have no interest in a scheduling alliance that locks a 9th opponent in for SU. I understand why those with such arrangements now (FSU, Clemson, GT, and Louisville) have them. I could understand why Pitt might want one with either PSU or WVU. I will let Pitt fans say which they would prefer of the two.

But Syracuse doesn't have an in-state rival and doesn't want either "nearby" Rutgers or UConn as a year-in and year-out non-conference game.

And I have a feeling Syracuse isn't the only one that is in this position. I doubt Boston College wants one either. And if Miami and VT (being the two other football-centric schools in the ACC) truly wanted one, they would already have such a series in place.

Well, in Miami's case they probably want one (Florida or ND), but can't have it.

Cheers,
Neil

For the record, 19 out of 20 Pitt fans would prefer to play Penn State over West Virginia. The dissenter is too young to know the difference.

They are both great rivalries but they're very different. You have to understand that Pitt and Penn State are both good schools and the same quality of students from the same types of families go to both schools. The alums of those two schools live in the same neighborhoods and work together. It's truly a brother versus brother, sister versus sister type of thing.

West Virginia is totally different. It's a different quality of student and you don't really run into too many West Virginia fans in Pittsburgh.

The Backyard Brawl is a great rivalry, and I think that is a lock to return to the schedule over Penn State because West Virginia actually wants to play Pitt. However, I think Pitt/Penn State is the best rivalry in the history of major college football in the Northeast and among the best rivalries in the country. It is a crime that Joe Paterno was allowed to end of that rivalry and it's ridiculous that it hasn't resumed when the old bastard finally kicked the bucket.

We play each other on September 10 and a lot of people are gonna be shocked at the level of intensity. It is going to be a nasty, nasty afternoon. I cannot wait.

(08-18-2016 04:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Once again, I am going to say that I have no interest in a scheduling alliance that locks a 9th opponent in for SU. I understand why those with such arrangements now (FSU, Clemson, GT, and Louisville) have them. I could understand why Pitt might want one with either PSU or WVU. I will let Pitt fans say which they would prefer of the two.

But Syracuse doesn't have an in-state rival and doesn't want either "nearby" Rutgers or UConn as a year-in and year-out non-conference game.

And I have a feeling Syracuse isn't the only one that is in this position. I doubt Boston College wants one either. And if Miami and VT (being the two other football-centric schools in the ACC) truly wanted one, they would already have such a series in place.

Well, in Miami's case they probably want one (Florida or ND), but can't have it.

Cheers,
Neil

IMO Cuse would play Penn State every year if it could.

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(08-18-2016 05:51 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 04:17 PM)omniorange Wrote:  Once again, I am going to say that I have no interest in a scheduling alliance that locks a 9th opponent in for SU. I understand why those with such arrangements now (FSU, Clemson, GT, and Louisville) have them. I could understand why Pitt might want one with either PSU or WVU. I will let Pitt fans say which they would prefer of the two.

But Syracuse doesn't have an in-state rival and doesn't want either "nearby" Rutgers or UConn as a year-in and year-out non-conference game.

And I have a feeling Syracuse isn't the only one that is in this position. I doubt Boston College wants one either. And if Miami and VT (being the two other football-centric schools in the ACC) truly wanted one, they would already have such a series in place.

Well, in Miami's case they probably want one (Florida or ND), but can't have it.

Cheers,
Neil

IMO Cuse would play Penn State every year if it could.

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+1

IMO, our football rivals are PSU, WVU, Pitt, and BC.

Miami, Virginia Tech, Maryland, and Notre Dane games are also a lot of fun, but I wouldn't call them "rivals" - though UMD could be.

SU would play PSU every year if it could. SU would also probably play WVU every year if the Eers weren't beyond dysfunctional.

You don't have to play 14 games to make it a challenge, do you? It could be an additional 6-8 games played before the rivalries or just add 4-5 games during rivalry week. Rotate the opponents like in basketball.

(08-19-2016 12:00 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  You don't have to play 14 games to make it a challenge, do you? It could be an additional 6-8 games played before the rivalries or just add 4-5 games during rivalry week. Rotate the opponents like in basketball.

TAMU, LSU, Mizzou, and several other of the western most SEC schools focus their recruiting in California and Florida when they recruit outside their home area. They are going to be interested in keeping their options open to play P12 and B12 schools, so if they continue to play just one P-5, it will be very difficult to schedule them more than once in a blue moon and a neutral site game is difficult to arrange when the schools are 1500 miles apart.

In future years TAMU has home and away with UCLA, Clemson, Colorado, and Notre Dame; LSU has UCLA, Arizona State, Oklahoma, and Texas; Arkansas doesn't have a game outside the Texas, La, Oklahoma footprint. Mizzou has some openings beyond Kansas and Purdue, but how many kids are they going to be able to recruit from the East Coast? Even in the Big 12 Texas and Oklahoma have home and away scheduled with UCLA, USC, Cal, Nebraska, MD, Ohio State, Michigan, and LSU.

Outside of Vandy and Wake, the only other natural fits are with SEC schools that give up a distinct advantage to play home and away with their ACC counterpart. Auburn, Georgia, and Tennessee don't need to legitimize any of the ACC schools in NC, and they aren't recruiting north of DC. The closest that Tennessee will get to Va is the State line in Bristol.

Until the SEC agrees to play 2 P-5's it will be difficult to get a home and away game with SEC schools if you are not already bound to them or you are located in an area where they want a physical appearance ever decade or so.

FSU/Florida
GT/UGA
SC/Clemson
Louisville/UK

4 Per year, Every year

Tennessee/UNC/UVa/VT/NCSU
Georgia/UNC/UVa/VT/NCSU
Auburn/UNC/UVA/VT/NCSU
Alabama/UNC/UVa/VT/NCSU

2 Per Year, Every Year

Vandy/WF/Duke/BC

1 Every other year

LSU/TAMU/Ole Miss/MSU/Mizzou-Pitt/Miami/Syracuse

1 Every year

This is 7.5 games a year. However already mixed into this are games that Clemson has with TAMU, State has with Mississippi State, and GT has with Ole Miss. So that's 10-11 in some years. 10 games is plenty, but only with a rotation will some parities agree and the two conferences will have to force the issue.

Pitt should play one of Penn State or West Va every year. Miami can play anyone in another conference and Florida from time to time. Syracuse should play someone who wants to show up in New York once a decade, and BC the same for someone who want to go to Boston once a decade. Most SEC schools don't want that, but some P12 schools want occasional East Coast exposure.

I'd like to see NC State with a home and away with Oregon State, Washington, UCLA, Arizona State, Hawaii, and/or Utah, but State has not played a game west of Lubbock since the 1970's when State played money games at Arizona State, and before that at UCLA. Many State fans don't want an away game where they can't pull a huge cooker behind them for a huge tailgate party. Carolina and Duke fans are not so much that way because they have never had the parking capacity to support such a culture. State fans hate Charlotte and Atlanta for this reason.

(08-19-2016 01:22 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  FSU/Florida
GT/UGA
SC/Clemson
Louisville/UK

4 Per year, Every year

Tennessee/UNC/UVa/VT/NCSU
Georgia/UNC/UVa/VT/NCSU
Auburn/UNC/UVA/VT/NCSU
Alabama/UNC/UVa/VT/NCSU

2 Per Year, Every Year

Vandy/WF/Duke/BC

1 Every other year

LSU/TAMU/Ole Miss/MSU/Mizzou-Pitt/Miami/Syracuse

1 Every year

This is 7.5 games a year. However already mixed into this are games that Clemson has with TAMU, State has with Mississippi State, and GT has with Ole Miss. So that's 10-11 in some years. 10 games is plenty, but only with a rotation will some parities agree and the two conferences will have to force the issue.

Pitt should play one of Penn State or West Va every year. Miami can play anyone in another conference and Florida from time to time. Syracuse should play someone who wants to show up in New York once a decade, and BC the same for someone who want to go to Boston once a decade. Most SEC schools don't want that, but some P12 schools want occasional East Coast exposure.

I'd like to see NC State with a home and away with Oregon State, Washington, UCLA, Arizona State, Hawaii, and/or Utah, but State has not played a game west of Lubbock since the 1970's when State played money games at Arizona State, and before that at UCLA. Many State fans don't want an away game where they can't pull a huge cooker behind them for a huge tailgate party. Carolina and Duke fans are not so much that way because they have never had the parking capacity to support such a culture. State fans hate Charlotte and Atlanta for this reason.

Not much fun having a tailgate party in a parking deck.

There are grassy fields on both sides of Frank Basset Drive next to Wallace Wade stadium on the Duke campus. Those fields could be moved and replaced with more parking as needed.

UNC is a little tighter, but still room to add parking; what's up with the forest between the Ram's Head Rec. Center and Emergency Room Drive?

(08-19-2016 03:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  There are grassy fields on both sides of Frank Basset Drive next to Wallace Wade stadium on the Duke campus. Those fields could be moved and replaced with more parking as needed.

UNC is a little tighter, but still room to add parking; what's up with the forest between the Ram's Head Rec. Center and Emergency Room Drive?

Duke is nearly finished with the Science Drive parking facility:

http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/201...e-progress


As to UNC, are you joking? Cut down the pine trees? You might as well suggest paving over the Bell Tower, or putting a deck on the old Cemetery behind Playmakers.

Wallace Wade and Kenan are on campus venues from before the Depression. They don't lend themselves to an influx of cars and the early overflow at Kenan was into the neighborhoods. Tailgating at NC State develops in part to the massive open field around the old biology pond and the adjacent State Fair Grounds.

Until about 20 years ago, it was common to have one to two home games a year while the fair was in town until it became a logistical nightmare. Duke football effectively shut down as the era of multiple cars in the family came to an end and at UNC there has never been any parking to speak of until Memorial Hospital started building decks. You can't readily tailgate in a garage next to sick people coming to the hospital - that's a bummer. The only thing worse is to walk through Duke Children's on your way deeper into the main Duke Hospital Complex.

Besides Carolina revolved around the Ed Foundation's party room in the Dean Dome for decades.

It's not a part of their culture so it's not needed. Why the thought of even being outside is probably enough to make their khakis and blue polo or button down shirt curl up.

But even VT folks should know better than ragging or suggesting parking solutions. You could not even get the worthless woods behind Lane cut down for the practice facility.

But since you are competent engineers here's a suggestion for you, raise the drill field 20 feet and install a two level garage between the Admin building and the old gym. You will have to plumb it right to maintain the duck pond and keep it from seeping in, but I have full faith in you. Ut Prosim

Tenn just added 7 games, zero v P5.
Tennessee adds home games w/UTEP (2018), Chattanooga & UAB (2019), Charlotte (2020), Bowling Green (2021), Ball State & Army (2022)

(08-30-2016 07:11 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Tenn just added 7 games, zero v P5.
Tennessee adds home games w/UTEP (2018), Chattanooga & UAB (2019), Charlotte (2020), Bowling Green (2021), Ball State & Army (2022)

To be fair to Tennessee they already had P5 OOC games scheduled some of those years

2018 vs WVU in Charlotte
2021 vs Pitt
2022 @ Pitt

And unlike some SEC teams Tennessee has shown they aren't afraid to play decent opponents OOC with recent series with Oklahoma, Oregon, Cincy and UCLA.

There's plenty of SEC programs to bash about OOC scheduling but Tennessee isn't one of them.

(08-19-2016 03:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  There are grassy fields on both sides of Frank Basset Drive next to Wallace Wade stadium on the Duke campus. Those fields could be moved and replaced with more parking as needed.

UNC is a little tighter, but still room to add parking; what's up with the forest between the Ram's Head Rec. Center and Emergency Room Drive?

Those trees are never coming down!