Good article, a tad long.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/mat...ll-w434484

That's a pretty good read.

(08-17-2016 08:50 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  That's a pretty good read.

Yep, and in the Rolling Stone, no less, whose editors and readership is generally aligned in the Bernie part of the spectrum.

Someone on here mentioned that newspapers shouldn't endorse a candidate, if they truly believe in just-the-fact integrity. I tend to agree. Individual columnists who are paid to write opinions? Sure, they can do so. But I think an entire newspaper should refrain.

Quote:The formula for profits in the news business has grown stale. Commercial news shows now are subsisting on audiences of mostly older viewers who tend to enjoy programming that simply bashes whatever party it is they’ve grown to hate over the years, be they Republicans or Democrats. The median age of both Fox and MSNBC viewers is over 60.

But young audiences in particular tend to be incredibly turned off by the media-as-cheerleaders model of reporting. News audiences among the young have in recent years declined rapidly, mirroring a corresponding loss of trust in major-party politics.

I get the overall point. People tend to drift toward sources that affirm their own point of view. But I think the author gives the "younger" crowd too much of a pass here. They might not sit on a couch and watch Fox or MSNBC on TV. But their Internet and social media choices can be just as one-sided and shilling. Maybe not so much political party Team, but certainly ideology.

The media has been off the rails.

The Trump phenomenon is anything but, it's the logical end when the 'news' turns into nothing more than propaganda and truth is actively hidden because it doesn't fit an individual's narrative.

I'm not for policing journalists or anything like that but the idea that journalists need to police themselves is perfectly valid. They've abrogated that responsibility. When they did that, they cross the Rubicon and are now nothing more than fiction writers.

This is a great article. As I said in the Future of the US Media thread I posted the article on, you should follow the author on twitter @mtracey

Rolling Stone is the king of the one sided advocacy hit piece barely camouflaged as investigative reporting. Interesting if they are putting out a piece like this.

The biggest loser in this election just might be the news media in this country.

(08-17-2016 11:05 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The biggest loser in this election just might be the news media in this country.

One can only hope!

(08-17-2016 10:34 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 08:50 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  That's a pretty good read.

Yep, and in the Rolling Stone, no less, whose editors and readership is generally aligned in the Bernie part of the spectrum.

Someone on here mentioned that newspapers shouldn't endorse a candidate, if they truly believe in just-the-fact integrity. I tend to agree. Individual columnists who are paid to write opinions? Sure, they can do so. But I think an entire newspaper should refrain.

I don't have any problem with that. I have a problem with the tendency to mask editorials as news stories, to report party spin as news and to fail to report important news detrimental to your side.

I don't know if masking editorials as news stories is deliberate or if the journalists are just too stupid to know the difference. I suspect its more of the latter judging from the poor writing and editing these days.

(08-17-2016 10:44 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The media has been off the rails.

The Trump phenomenon is anything but, it's the logical end when the 'news' turns into nothing more than propaganda and truth is actively hidden because it doesn't fit an individual's narrative.

I'm not for policing journalists or anything like that but the idea that journalists need to police themselves is perfectly valid. They've abrogated that responsibility. When they did that, they cross the Rubicon and are now nothing more than fiction writers.

Yep. I used to respect CNN, but have decided now there is more entertaining fiction on other stations. And I don't even like Trump, but they have not only jumped the shark, but jumped a T-Rex.

(08-17-2016 11:05 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  The biggest loser in this election just might be the news media in this country.

starting to think that way also.

(08-17-2016 11:08 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 10:34 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 08:50 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  That's a pretty good read.

Yep, and in the Rolling Stone, no less, whose editors and readership is generally aligned in the Bernie part of the spectrum.

Someone on here mentioned that newspapers shouldn't endorse a candidate, if they truly believe in just-the-fact integrity. I tend to agree. Individual columnists who are paid to write opinions? Sure, they can do so. But I think an entire newspaper should refrain.

I don't have any problem with that. I have a problem with the tendency to mask editorials as news stories, to report party spin as news and to fail to report important news detrimental to your side.

I don't know if masking editorials as news stories is deliberate or if the journalists are just too stupid to know the difference. I suspect its more of the latter judging from the poor writing and editing these days.

I have more of a problem with the DNC and a campaign spoon feeding individual members of the media on what to ask in interviews and what issues to focus on in stories.

Its become Pravda and Izvestia the old Soviet News Agencies.

(08-18-2016 08:01 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 11:08 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 10:34 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 08:50 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  That's a pretty good read.

Yep, and in the Rolling Stone, no less, whose editors and readership is generally aligned in the Bernie part of the spectrum.

Someone on here mentioned that newspapers shouldn't endorse a candidate, if they truly believe in just-the-fact integrity. I tend to agree. Individual columnists who are paid to write opinions? Sure, they can do so. But I think an entire newspaper should refrain.

I don't have any problem with that. I have a problem with the tendency to mask editorials as news stories, to report party spin as news and to fail to report important news detrimental to your side.

I don't know if masking editorials as news stories is deliberate or if the journalists are just too stupid to know the difference. I suspect its more of the latter judging from the poor writing and editing these days.

I have more of a problem with the DNC and a campaign spoon feeding individual members of the media on what to ask in interviews and what issues to focus on in stories.

Its become Pravda and Izvestia the old Soviet News Agencies.

Let's not act that the RNC also was caught doing it back in 2012 through Fox News. Its on both sides.

Its 2016 and I have wikilieaks to thank for the actual emails.

(08-18-2016 08:06 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Its 2016 and I have wikilieaks to thank for the actual emails.

thanks for the calendar update.

Taibbi writing on the subject of shills? Satire?