Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

Wichita State and pick 1 of the others (whichever)

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

I don't think any of those schools leave their conference unless the Big East comes calling.

I agree with Big East Homer.

Idk about the other two, but according to some WSU fans in another thread there is serious talk by the school about them joining the AAC if teams get taken.

(08-16-2016 07:37 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

I don't think any of those schools leave their conference unless the Big East comes calling.

especially now. we should have invited Wichita st year one.

Get rid of ECU, add ODU and your basketball RPI immediately goes way up.

(08-16-2016 07:37 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

I don't think any of those schools leave their conference unless the Big East comes calling.

weve talked about this already the a-10 made 300k per before their last raid and lost members
that deal had 1/10th the exposure deal of our current aac deal
and vcu the biggest brand they have has an appeal deal only worth 10k

they all jump

(08-16-2016 07:43 PM)Hurricane Drummer Wrote:  I agree with Big East Homer.

Idk about the other two, but according to some WSU fans in another thread there is serious talk by the school about them joining the AAC if teams get taken.

Yup, they would have a couple good AAC teams nearby... SMU and Tulsa.

It would be a game changer for them.

VCU and Wichita State

That's it.

After taking Wichita State, go down the list.

Wichita State for the western division and VCU as a large public. Of course have to say we beat VCU the two times they visited the Mullins Center.

(08-16-2016 08:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 07:37 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

I don't think any of those schools leave their conference unless the Big East comes calling.

weve talked about this already the a-10 made 300k per before their last raid and lost members
that deal had 1/10th the exposure deal of our current aac deal
and vcu the biggest brand they have has an appeal deal only worth 10k

they all jump

You never did answer how much you think a bb only share would be but it's certainly less than full members are getting and when you take into account the A10s revenue sharing structure for credits the difference in money is going to be negligible. But the big thing is the AAC as a bb league is about two raids from being what the CUSA is now and I'm certainly not delusional enough to think we could raid the A10. And that's if UCONN doesn't decide to jump ship after a Big12 raid. You can't offer only schools stability because you all have your name down to move to a power conference at the first chance. Schools with FB or FB ambitions won't have a problem with this but I don't see any A10 school jumping except UMASS.

(08-16-2016 08:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 07:37 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

I don't think any of those schools leave their conference unless the Big East comes calling.

weve talked about this already the a-10 made 300k per before their last raid and lost members
that deal had 1/10th the exposure deal of our current aac deal
and vcu the biggest brand they have has an appeal deal only worth 10k

they all jump

You never did answer how much you think a bb only share would be but it's certainly less than full members are getting and when you take into account the A10s revenue sharing structure for credits the difference in money is going to be negligible. But the big thing is the AAC as a bb league is about two raids from being what the CUSA is now and I'm certainly not delusional enough to think we could raid the A10. And that's if UCONN doesn't decide to jump ship after a Big12 raid. You can't offer only schools stability because you all have your name down to move to a power conference at the first chance. Schools with FB or FB ambitions won't have a problem with this but I don't see any A10 school jumping except UMASS.

the likely make less than 200k each now, and thats being generous

a non-football add could easily be 800k or more....even in a raided AAC.
at most the aac loses 3..and a very real scenario they only lose 1

the a-10 cant offer stability, umass is BEGGING to get into the AAC..the big east will eventully expand.

you are saying a-10 teams would give up millions over years & dramatically increased exposure for what?
average a-10 apparel deal is less than 20k, the average AAC is 1mil

"I'm certainly not delusional enough to think we could raid the A10" your are delusional thinking we can't raid them..c-usa raided them

we are all desperate for increased profits but the A-10 likes debt? money talks ..especially adding that if you pass it up someone else might take it and that risk

Maybe this needs to be a separate thread but here's the question that has stumped me since the organization of the AAC & with Navy's membership - why has the conference not chosen to add a BB & oly sports school from the beginning to complete the Navy membership. It seems like such a no-brainer, especially with a number of strong BB schools that would likely jump at the opportunity to substantially increase their conference revenues by a move to the AAC. So what are the objections & obstacles that have prevented a Wichita St membership (who wants to join) or a VCU who would likely join given the revenue increase or a St. Louis or....?

(08-17-2016 08:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Maybe this needs to be a separate thread but here's the question that has stumped me since the organization of the AAC & with Navy's membership - why has the conference not chosen to add a BB & oly sports school from the beginning to complete the Navy membership. It seems like such a no-brainer, especially with a number of strong BB schools that would likely jump at the opportunity to substantially increase their conference revenues by a move to the AAC. So what are the objections & obstacles that have prevented a Wichita St membership (who wants to join) or a VCU who would likely join given the revenue increase or a St. Louis or....?

I can't answer for you guys. I'm not sure VCU is a slam dunk to leave. I tend to be in the middle of what the two sides seem to believe about them. SLU has their eyes on the Big East. And outside of the Majerus years, they haven't been that good. No idea if the new staff there will turn things around. I'd say the same about Dayton as far as where they want to be, but they could be blocked from getting in the Big East. That would put you back in Ohio with a very well supported program that gets results on the court.

Wichita would definitely jump. More exposure, better areas of recruiting (for us) in Oklahoma and north Texas. Other schools that aren't bad at basketball and hopefully you'd still have Memphis and UConn. Plus, we would love to have the ability to eventually move our future football program up as we've discussed in another thread after certain levels/goals were achieved. The MVC is weakening and there are a few schools with their eyes elsewhere if opportunities arise.

I know some have been hesitant about any school without football and others hesitant about a school that may be starting football in the near future. I get that on some levels but believe that can be worked around and benefit everyone long term. But that's me.

(08-17-2016 09:32 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 08:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Maybe this needs to be a separate thread but here's the question that has stumped me since the organization of the AAC & with Navy's membership - why has the conference not chosen to add a BB & oly sports school from the beginning to complete the Navy membership. It seems like such a no-brainer, especially with a number of strong BB schools that would likely jump at the opportunity to substantially increase their conference revenues by a move to the AAC. So what are the objections & obstacles that have prevented a Wichita St membership (who wants to join) or a VCU who would likely join given the revenue increase or a St. Louis or....?

I can't answer for you guys. I'm not sure VCU is a slam dunk to leave. I tend to be in the middle of what the two sides seem to believe about them. SLU has their eyes on the Big East. And outside of the Majerus years, they haven't been that good. No idea if the new staff there will turn things around. I'd say the same about Dayton as far as where they want to be, but they could be blocked from getting in the Big East. That would put you back in Ohio with a very well supported program that gets results on the court.

Wichita would definitely jump. More exposure, better areas of recruiting (for us) in Oklahoma and north Texas. Other schools that aren't bad at basketball and hopefully you'd still have Memphis and UConn. Plus, we would love to have the ability to eventually move our future football program up as we've discussed in another thread after certain levels/goals were achieved. The MVC is weakening and there are a few schools with their eyes elsewhere if opportunities arise.

I know some have been hesitant about any school without football and others hesitant about a school that may be starting football in the near future. I get that on some levels but believe that can be worked around and benefit everyone long term. But that's me.

Ok, you're unsure if VCU or STL would make the jump. That's not the point really of the questions. The questions are why hasn't the AAC already jumped to add at least one BB school to complete the Navy membership? That is the question...

(08-16-2016 09:18 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:09 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 07:37 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

I don't think any of those schools leave their conference unless the Big East comes calling.

weve talked about this already the a-10 made 300k per before their last raid and lost members
that deal had 1/10th the exposure deal of our current aac deal
and vcu the biggest brand they have has an appeal deal only worth 10k

they all jump

You never did answer how much you think a bb only share would be but it's certainly less than full members are getting and when you take into account the A10s revenue sharing structure for credits the difference in money is going to be negligible. But the big thing is the AAC as a bb league is about two raids from being what the CUSA is now and I'm certainly not delusional enough to think we could raid the A10. And that's if UCONN doesn't decide to jump ship after a Big12 raid. You can't offer only schools stability because you all have your name down to move to a power conference at the first chance. Schools with FB or FB ambitions won't have a problem with this but I don't see any A10 school jumping except UMASS.

the likely make less than 200k each now, and thats being generous

a non-football add could easily be 800k or more....even in a raided AAC.
at most the aac loses 3..and a very real scenario they only lose 1

the a-10 cant offer stability, umass is BEGGING to get into the AAC..the big east will eventully expand.

you are saying a-10 teams would give up millions over years & dramatically increased exposure for what?
average a-10 apparel deal is less than 20k, the average AAC is 1mil

"I'm certainly not delusional enough to think we could raid the A10" your are delusional thinking we can't raid them..c-usa raided them

we are all desperate for increased profits but the A-10 likes debt? money talks ..especially adding that if you pass it up someone else might take it and that risk

You're conflating schools with fb with bb only. Charlotte and UMASS are completely different scenarios from Dayton and VCU.

(08-17-2016 10:41 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  You're conflating schools with fb with bb only. Charlotte and UMASS are completely different scenarios from Dayton and VCU.

yes because when you're a basketball only school you like to be left behind in a conference that is expected to be raided for less money and dramatically less exposure

and vcu says they can't afford it now, but that in 10 years theyd like to potentially start taking steps to add football

(08-16-2016 06:16 PM)Purplehook Wrote:  Who are your top 2 (PLAUSIBLE) basketball school adds if the B12 does expand and we choose to take 2 schools to shore up basketball?

Witchita State
VCU
Dayton
Who else?

For me the list stops after Wichita State and VCU.

St Louis and Dayton line up with the Big East profile and I think they would be happy to sit in the A10 until they decide to expand. IMO because of their profile the BE wants no part of Wichita State or VCU so their options are limited. Even if the AAC lost 2 it's still the best option out there for both.

Wichita State is talking about adding FB