http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

*waits for LakeBison to show up*

This gon b gud

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What a liar. I'm reporting this thread.

The article (note that the link isn't even to the article) doesn't say a single iota that's even in the same universe as the OP's conjured falsehoods.


This isn't even stretching the truth in good taste.

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

UND is looking to CUT costs, not add more by moving FBS.

The Summit is the most logical destination if they don't want to field all the sports that the Big Sky offers. My guess is that they pull the Olympic sports out of of the Big Sky and move to the Summit with an affiliate in football to the Big Sky.

That is FAR more reasonable that what NoDak is smoking.

Cutting some teams makes sense even more if their staying FCS.
I guess if you look hard enough through FBS glasses you see it Nodaks way.

Trimming the fat so resources can be better used.
Drop a mens sport add beach volleyball and FBS is attainable.
That is if the rest of the puzzle of moving pieces comes together.

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse. But is the WAC able to start sponsoring football again if they chose to do so? In FBS? Could Idaho and NMSU come back together in the WAC and invite 6 or more Big Sky teams to collectively move up to the FBS level?

(08-16-2016 03:47 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

UND is looking to CUT costs, not add more by moving FBS.

The Summit is the most logical destination if they don't want to field all the sports that the Big Sky offers. My guess is that they pull the Olympic sports out of of the Big Sky and move to the Summit with an affiliate in football to the Big Sky.

That is FAR more reasonable that what NoDak is smoking.

If cutting cost was that important, FCOA would have been cut as all scholarship athletes have it at UND. But it's not being cut.

(08-16-2016 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:47 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

UND is looking to CUT costs, not add more by moving FBS.

The Summit is the most logical destination if they don't want to field all the sports that the Big Sky offers. My guess is that they pull the Olympic sports out of of the Big Sky and move to the Summit with an affiliate in football to the Big Sky.

That is FAR more reasonable that what NoDak is smoking.

If cutting cost was that important, FCOA would have been cut as all scholarship athletes have it at UND. But it's not being cut.

Can't believe you have tried to spin this, or maybe I can. Your athletic department was $1.4 million in the red last year. Your new President, who inherited the mess is VERY unhappy about it. The finances are going to be reviewed and cuts/changes will be recommended. FCOA may not even happen and if it does, your going to need to find money elsewhere. The only sport you can cut that would have a big impact is Women's Hockey. The other big budget item? Big Sky travel. If you think this means your WAC dream is coming to fruition your losing it. Things are not good in UND land. Oh, and below is the actual link to the story.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/l...ffiliation

They are reexaming due to budget and with the price of oil their budget is not going to get better...
Botton teir FBS is a bigger money loser than FCS so going FBS will not help the budget...
And if you switch conference it will most likely be to the Summit to save a fistfuls of dollars on travel...
If the Summit invited you and North Colorado they could sponsor football...

This is wishful thinking nothing more...

(08-16-2016 05:06 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:52 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:47 PM)NDSUguy Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

UND is looking to CUT costs, not add more by moving FBS.

The Summit is the most logical destination if they don't want to field all the sports that the Big Sky offers. My guess is that they pull the Olympic sports out of of the Big Sky and move to the Summit with an affiliate in football to the Big Sky.

That is FAR more reasonable that what NoDak is smoking.

If cutting cost was that important, FCOA would have been cut as all scholarship athletes have it at UND. But it's not being cut.

Can't believe you have tried to spin this, or maybe I can. Your athletic department was $1.4 million in the red last year. Your new President, who inherited the mess is VERY unhappy about it. The finances are going to be reviewed and cuts/changes will be recommended. FCOA may not even happen and if it does, your going to need to find money elsewhere. The only sport you can cut that would have a big impact is Women's Hockey. The other big budget item? Big Sky travel. If you think this means your WAC dream is coming to fruition your losing it. Things are not good in UND land. Oh, and below is the actual link to the story.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/l...ffiliation

You vehemently denied that Big Sky was going to expand but the Idaho State Journal directly contradicts you. Either you can't read or your blind hatred of UND prevents you from reading things that you detest.

What is certain is that XDSU fans will spin this to forbid UND from going to a subdivision that they can't.

North Dakota has more budget cuts coming because of low oil prices. But because they have a huge oil trust fund that can't be spent til later in the decade, this is just a temporary ruse. UND is in good standing with the SBOHE, which isn't true from some schools.

(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse. But is the WAC able to start sponsoring football again if they chose to do so? In FBS? Could Idaho and NMSU come back together in the WAC and invite 6 or more Big Sky teams to collectively move up to the FBS level?

Under NCAA rules as currently written, an FCS school that joins the WAC can start the transition process to FBS. But during that transition process it will be subject to FBS scheduling rules which require, among other things, that it play at least five home games each year against FBS opponents. That requirement can't be met by playing other FCS schools in the process of transitioning to FBS.

So the WAC can't just invite a bunch of Big Sky schools and collectively move them up to FBS. What the WAC theoretically can do is invite schools that are willing to spend four years playing the majority of their football games against non-WAC FBS schools -- effectively operating as FBS independents -- until their transitions are complete. And even after those schools complete their transitions, they will have to continue to operate as independents in football until the WAC has eight full member schools that have completed the transition, at which point the WAC would once again qualify as an FBS conference.

Given the scheduling challenges that the transitioning schools would have to overcome and long time horizon before the WAC could requalify as an FBS conference -- and the lack of any guarantee that the CFP would be willing to expand to encompass an FBS WAC -- the likelihood of this actually happening is minuscule IMHO.

(08-16-2016 05:11 PM)00yyz Wrote:  They are reexaming due to budget and with the price of oil their budget is not going to get better...
Botton teir FBS is a bigger money loser than FCS so going FBS will not help the budget...
And if you switch conference it will most likely be to the Summit to save a fistfuls of dollars on travel...
If the Summit invited you and North Colorado they could sponsor football...

This is wishful thinking nothing more...

The Slummit will sponsor football over the XDSU's dead bodies. The XDSU's value their MVFC membership more than Slummit membership because they think they are now basketball powers that will get in the MVC when Wichita St leaves.

(08-16-2016 05:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse. But is the WAC able to start sponsoring football again if they chose to do so? In FBS? Could Idaho and NMSU come back together in the WAC and invite 6 or more Big Sky teams to collectively move up to the FBS level?

Under NCAA rules as currently written, an FCS school that joins the WAC can start the transition process to FBS. But during that transition process it will be subject to FBS scheduling rules which require, among other things, that it play at least five home games each year against FBS opponents. That requirement can't be met by playing other FCS schools in the process of transitioning to FBS.

So the WAC can't just invite a bunch of Big Sky schools and collectively move them up to FBS. What the WAC theoretically can do is invite schools that are willing to spend four years playing the majority of their football games against non-WAC FBS schools -- effectively operating as FBS independents -- until their transitions are complete. And even after those schools complete their transitions, they will have to continue to operate as independents in football until the WAC has eight full member schools that have completed the transition, at which point the WAC would once again qualify as an FBS conference.

Given the scheduling challenges that the transitioning schools would have to overcome and long time horizon before the WAC could requalify as an FBS conference -- and the lack of any guarantee that the CFP would be willing to expand to encompass an FBS WAC -- the likelihood of this actually happening is minuscule IMHO.

A second year transitioning school counts the same as FBS. NMSU won't play 1st year transitioning schools, but will join for football in the second year.

(08-16-2016 05:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse. But is the WAC able to start sponsoring football again if they chose to do so? In FBS? Could Idaho and NMSU come back together in the WAC and invite 6 or more Big Sky teams to collectively move up to the FBS level?

Under NCAA rules as currently written, an FCS school that joins the WAC can start the transition process to FBS. But during that transition process it will be subject to FBS scheduling rules which require, among other things, that it play at least five home games each year against FBS opponents. That requirement can't be met by playing other FCS schools in the process of transitioning to FBS.

So the WAC can't just invite a bunch of Big Sky schools and collectively move them up to FBS. What the WAC theoretically can do is invite schools that are willing to spend four years playing the majority of their football games against non-WAC FBS schools -- effectively operating as FBS independents -- until their transitions are complete. And even after those schools complete their transitions, they will have to continue to operate as independents in football until the WAC has eight full member schools that have completed the transition, at which point the WAC would once again qualify as an FBS conference.

Given the scheduling challenges that the transitioning schools would have to overcome and long time horizon before the WAC could requalify as an FBS conference -- and the lack of any guarantee that the CFP would be willing to expand to encompass an FBS WAC -- the likelihood of this actually happening is minuscule IMHO.

The hell? The WAC is making an ACTUAL comeback?

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(08-16-2016 05:42 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 05:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:29 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/

The Big Sky and WAC will swap some teams, as the WAC can make FBS invitations.

The MVFC isn't offering slots so UND can't move to the Slummit for Olympics.

UTRGV would have a 24k stadium for football so they are in.

Wichita St would accept an FBS only. Perhaps Mo St too.

Lamar, Sam Houston, and maybe S F Austin would accept a WAC offer.

UMKC and NMSU would stay in.
Chicago St will probably go broke, so they are not part of the picture.

Montana, Montana St, Idaho, and E Washington would move too.

WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse. But is the WAC able to start sponsoring football again if they chose to do so? In FBS? Could Idaho and NMSU come back together in the WAC and invite 6 or more Big Sky teams to collectively move up to the FBS level?

Under NCAA rules as currently written, an FCS school that joins the WAC can start the transition process to FBS. But during that transition process it will be subject to FBS scheduling rules which require, among other things, that it play at least five home games each year against FBS opponents. That requirement can't be met by playing other FCS schools in the process of transitioning to FBS.

So the WAC can't just invite a bunch of Big Sky schools and collectively move them up to FBS. What the WAC theoretically can do is invite schools that are willing to spend four years playing the majority of their football games against non-WAC FBS schools -- effectively operating as FBS independents -- until their transitions are complete. And even after those schools complete their transitions, they will have to continue to operate as independents in football until the WAC has eight full member schools that have completed the transition, at which point the WAC would once again qualify as an FBS conference.

Given the scheduling challenges that the transitioning schools would have to overcome and long time horizon before the WAC could requalify as an FBS conference -- and the lack of any guarantee that the CFP would be willing to expand to encompass an FBS WAC -- the likelihood of this actually happening is minuscule IMHO.

The hell? The WAC is making an ACTUAL comeback?

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I don't think so.

FBS is comprised of 10 conferences, the P5 and G5.

Any potential loophole for the WAC was removed when governance reorgranized.

(08-16-2016 05:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 05:42 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 05:37 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 03:44 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  WAC FBS...lol!! Invites...lol! WAC will only be able to be a FCS league.

Yeah, I thought this was a dead horse. But is the WAC able to start sponsoring football again if they chose to do so? In FBS? Could Idaho and NMSU come back together in the WAC and invite 6 or more Big Sky teams to collectively move up to the FBS level?

Under NCAA rules as currently written, an FCS school that joins the WAC can start the transition process to FBS. But during that transition process it will be subject to FBS scheduling rules which require, among other things, that it play at least five home games each year against FBS opponents. That requirement can't be met by playing other FCS schools in the process of transitioning to FBS.

So the WAC can't just invite a bunch of Big Sky schools and collectively move them up to FBS. What the WAC theoretically can do is invite schools that are willing to spend four years playing the majority of their football games against non-WAC FBS schools -- effectively operating as FBS independents -- until their transitions are complete. And even after those schools complete their transitions, they will have to continue to operate as independents in football until the WAC has eight full member schools that have completed the transition, at which point the WAC would once again qualify as an FBS conference.

Given the scheduling challenges that the transitioning schools would have to overcome and long time horizon before the WAC could requalify as an FBS conference -- and the lack of any guarantee that the CFP would be willing to expand to encompass an FBS WAC -- the likelihood of this actually happening is minuscule IMHO.

The hell? The WAC is making an ACTUAL comeback?

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I don't think so.

FBS is comprised of 10 conferences, the P5 and G5.

Any potential loophole for the WAC was removed when governance reorgranized.

The WAC is not part of the CFP payout. That is the reason that the WAC is going slow on reestablishing FBS. The WAC wants to be FBS again before the next contract.

But the NCAA bylaws allow the WAC to still offer FBS spots.

For the sake of clarity, this is the article in question: UND President to re-examine number of sports, conference affiliation after budget shortfall

The letter from the President says, in part:

Quote: Last week I announced Laurie Betting, Interim Vice President for Student Affairs, and Dana Harsell, Chair of University Senate, as co-chairs of a University planning process. As a companion to that process, I am asking a subgroup of the elected Intercollegiate Athletics Committee (IAC) to examine UND Athletics to make sure we have an athletics program that best fits the University of North Dakota in terms of a number of factors, including the sports we participate in, conference participation, the number of athletes that we serve, and the cost of the programs.

Note that any innuendo that the article supports the elaborate "sneaking a new FBS conference in through the WAC loophole" scenario would be misleading. All the article says specifically is that Men's Golf may join Baseball if necessary to close the UND athletic department budget deficit.

(08-16-2016 03:41 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  What a liar. I'm reporting this thread.

The article (note that the link isn't even to the article) doesn't say a single iota that's even in the same universe as the OP's conjured falsehoods.


This isn't even stretching the truth in good taste.

Isn't there a bet with the OP that the WAC will sponsor FBS football by 8/31/16?
Cheers!

(08-16-2016 07:00 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  For the sake of clarity, this is the article in question: UND President to re-examine number of sports, conference affiliation after budget shortfall

The letter from the President says, in part:

Quote: Last week I announced Laurie Betting, Interim Vice President for Student Affairs, and Dana Harsell, Chair of University Senate, as co-chairs of a University planning process. As a companion to that process, I am asking a subgroup of the elected Intercollegiate Athletics Committee (IAC) to examine UND Athletics to make sure we have an athletics program that best fits the University of North Dakota in terms of a number of factors, including the sports we participate in, conference participation, the number of athletes that we serve, and the cost of the programs.

Note that any innuendo that the article supports the elaborate "sneaking a new FBS conference in through the WAC loophole" scenario would be misleading. All the article says specifically is that Men's Golf may join Baseball if necessary to close the UND athletic department budget deficit.

Any conference change would cost serious coin, except joining with other Big Sky schools the WAC. The western WAC schools can be swapped out free.