(08-17-2016 10:49 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Really? This is so ridiculous it's insane. Texas and Oklahoma willingly sharing their money with Tulane? Mid Tenn? Arky St? Rice? This is pure fiction. Ain't happening.
I'm telling you all....hell will freeze over first.

Rice would take less money to go to Big XII than UH would. If it comes down to that, UH would be in serious trouble. Rice still has better facilities than UH, our football stadium could handle the larger crowds the Big XII would bring, so the revenue would be there from game-day sales. Therefore, we could afford to take less money and leave the BigXII schools with more of the windfall to divide amongst themselves.

UH is about at its ceiling right now. Good for them, but they are as likely to topple down as up. Rice, after being at the bottom for almost 40 years, has nowhere to go but up, and it is finally just starting to tap into some of its potential.

Plus, I believe you will hear of our Men's basketball team with coach Mike Rhoades (formerly top assistant under Shaka Smart at VCU) this year. He has a bevy of solid recruits who are starting to gel, as well as the top freshman (now sophomore) scorer in the entire US last season in Marcus Evans:



2015-16 (Fr.)
Started all 32 games ... First Team All-Conference USA ... C-USA Freshman of the Year ... Was named to the C-USA All-Freshman and All-Defensive teams ... Led Rice and was second in Conference USA in with 21.4 points ... Also led the league in steals with 2.2 per game ... Averaged 4.0 rebounds and 2.8 assists ... Scored double-figures in 31 games ... Led the team in scoring 22 times, assists seven times and rebounds four times ... Recorded 20, 20-point games and three 30-point games ... Set a Conference USA record with 10 Freshman of the Week honors, including the final six ... Named National Freshman of the Week by the USBWA and CBSSports.com (2/23) ... Rice's all-time leading freshman scorer with 685 points, which is the second most among freshmen in Conference USA history ... Is in third-place on Rice's single-season scoring list ... Set a C-USA freshman record with 401 points in conference games ... Is third on the school single-season steals (69) and free throws (187) ... Set a C-USA freshman record, averaging 21.4 points per game ... Scored 18 points and had first career start at California (11/13) ... Scored 14 points and had two steals at San Francisco (11/16) ... Led Rice with 18 points while grabbing four rebounds versus Oregon State (11/19) ... Recorded 25 points, six assists and five rebounds while connecting on 11-of-12 from the free throw line against Fresno State (11/22) ... Had a team-high 20 points versus Lamar (11/22) ... Scored 12 points and had five steals against UT Arlington (11/29) ... Had 28 points on 8-of-19 shooting with six rebounds in 40 minutes at Houston Baptist (12/2) ... Scored 22 points with six rebounds, six assists, four steals and two blocks versus St. Edward's (12/5) ... Scored a career-high 32 points against St. Thomas (12/17) ... Scored 21 points and grabbed a career-high eight rebounds at New Mexico (12/19) ... Scored a game-high 22 points with seven rebounds, three assists and three steals at South Alabama (12/22) ... Scored 18 points against Incarnate Word (12/29) ... Had a team-high 13 points and tied a career-high with eight rebounds at UTEP (1/1) ... Scored 23 points and grabbed a game-high six rebounds at UTSA (1/3) ... Had 26 points, six rebounds, four steals and three assists at North Texas (1/9) ... Had 16 points and five assists against WKU (1/14) ... Scored a team-high 29 points on a career-high 11-for-22 against Marshall (1/16) ... Recorded 14 points and five assists at UAB (1/21) ... Scored 25 points against North Texas (1/30), including a perfect 11-of-11 from the free throw line ... Scored 17 points versus Louisiana Tech (2/4) ... Had a game-high 23 points and five steals against Southern Miss (2/6) ... Scored 20 points at Charlotte (2/11) ... Led the team with 20 points, seven rebounds and four assists at Old Dominion (2/13) ... Recorded 29 points, four rebounds, three assists and two steals versus Florida Atlantic (2/18) ... Had 30 points, a career-high six steals and five rebounds against FIU (2/20) ... Tied a career-high with 32 points on 12-of-19 shooting at Southern Miss (2/25) ... Scored 27 points and hit a career-high four three-pointers against Charlotte (3/3) ... Scored 28 points and grabbed five rebounds versus Old Dominion (3/5) ... Scored 27 points and grabbed six rebounds against Charlotte in the Conference USA Tournament (3/9).

(08-17-2016 11:24 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 10:49 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Really? This is so ridiculous it's insane. Texas and Oklahoma willingly sharing their money with Tulane? Mid Tenn? Arky St? Rice? This is pure fiction. Ain't happening.
I'm telling you all....hell will freeze over first.

Rice would take less money to go to Big XII than UH would. If it comes down to that, UH would be in serious trouble.

I think you are correct. Rice might be willing to accept no additional money, other than the gate we are going to start to get from having Texas, Oklahoma, and others in town.

(08-17-2016 11:24 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 10:49 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Really? This is so ridiculous it's insane. Texas and Oklahoma willingly sharing their money with Tulane? Mid Tenn? Arky St? Rice? This is pure fiction. Ain't happening.
I'm telling you all....hell will freeze over first.

Rice would take less money to go to Big XII than UH would. If it comes down to that, UH would be in serious trouble. Rice still has better facilities than UH, our football stadium could handle the larger crowds the Big XII would bring, so the revenue would be there from game-day sales. Therefore, we could afford to take less money and leave the BigXII schools with more of the windfall to divide amongst themselves.

UH is about at its ceiling right now. Good for them, but they are as likely to topple down as up. Rice, after being at the bottom for almost 40 years, has nowhere to go but up, and it is finally just starting to tap into some of its potential.

Plus, I believe you will hear of our Men's basketball team with coach Mike Rhoades (formerly top assistant under Shaka Smart at VCU) this year. He has a bevy of solid recruits who are starting to gel, as well as the top freshman (now sophomore) scorer in the entire US last season in Marcus Evans:



2015-16 (Fr.)
Started all 32 games ... First Team All-Conference USA ... C-USA Freshman of the Year ... Was named to the C-USA All-Freshman and All-Defensive teams ... Led Rice and was second in Conference USA in with 21.4 points ... Also led the league in steals with 2.2 per game ... Averaged 4.0 rebounds and 2.8 assists ... Scored double-figures in 31 games ... Led the team in scoring 22 times, assists seven times and rebounds four times ... Recorded 20, 20-point games and three 30-point games ... Set a Conference USA record with 10 Freshman of the Week honors, including the final six ... Named National Freshman of the Week by the USBWA and CBSSports.com (2/23) ... Rice's all-time leading freshman scorer with 685 points, which is the second most among freshmen in Conference USA history ... Is in third-place on Rice's single-season scoring list ... Set a C-USA freshman record with 401 points in conference games ... Is third on the school single-season steals (69) and free throws (187) ... Set a C-USA freshman record, averaging 21.4 points per game ... Scored 18 points and had first career start at California (11/13) ... Scored 14 points and had two steals at San Francisco (11/16) ... Led Rice with 18 points while grabbing four rebounds versus Oregon State (11/19) ... Recorded 25 points, six assists and five rebounds while connecting on 11-of-12 from the free throw line against Fresno State (11/22) ... Had a team-high 20 points versus Lamar (11/22) ... Scored 12 points and had five steals against UT Arlington (11/29) ... Had 28 points on 8-of-19 shooting with six rebounds in 40 minutes at Houston Baptist (12/2) ... Scored 22 points with six rebounds, six assists, four steals and two blocks versus St. Edward's (12/5) ... Scored a career-high 32 points against St. Thomas (12/17) ... Scored 21 points and grabbed a career-high eight rebounds at New Mexico (12/19) ... Scored a game-high 22 points with seven rebounds, three assists and three steals at South Alabama (12/22) ... Scored 18 points against Incarnate Word (12/29) ... Had a team-high 13 points and tied a career-high with eight rebounds at UTEP (1/1) ... Scored 23 points and grabbed a game-high six rebounds at UTSA (1/3) ... Had 26 points, six rebounds, four steals and three assists at North Texas (1/9) ... Had 16 points and five assists against WKU (1/14) ... Scored a team-high 29 points on a career-high 11-for-22 against Marshall (1/16) ... Recorded 14 points and five assists at UAB (1/21) ... Scored 25 points against North Texas (1/30), including a perfect 11-of-11 from the free throw line ... Scored 17 points versus Louisiana Tech (2/4) ... Had a game-high 23 points and five steals against Southern Miss (2/6) ... Scored 20 points at Charlotte (2/11) ... Led the team with 20 points, seven rebounds and four assists at Old Dominion (2/13) ... Recorded 29 points, four rebounds, three assists and two steals versus Florida Atlantic (2/18) ... Had 30 points, a career-high six steals and five rebounds against FIU (2/20) ... Tied a career-high with 32 points on 12-of-19 shooting at Southern Miss (2/25) ... Scored 27 points and hit a career-high four three-pointers against Charlotte (3/3) ... Scored 28 points and grabbed five rebounds versus Old Dominion (3/5) ... Scored 27 points and grabbed six rebounds against Charlotte in the Conference USA Tournament (3/9).

Ehhh. I think the idea that Houston is topped out is somewhat misleading. Its probably near the top of what it can be as a G5---but throw it in a P5 and that ceiling moves way up. The reality of the situation however, is UH likely has far more upside simply due to the numbers. Rice has a small highly prestigious student body. Houston is large public school with an enrollment that's about 10 times the size of the Rice enrollment. When it comes to overall potential---that's the number that's hard to set aside.

No doubt Rice can (and will) rise up to be much more than it is now, but I think the enrollment numbers cannot be ignored when extrapolating the potential ceilings of each school.

(08-17-2016 12:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ehhh. I think the idea that Houston is topped out is somewhat misleading. Its probably near the top of what it can be as a G5---but throw it in a P5 and that ceiling moves way up. The reality of the situation however, is UH likely has far more upside simply due to the numbers. Rice has a small highly prestigious student body. Houston is large public school with an enrollment that's about 10 times the size of the Rice enrollment. When it comes to overall potential---that's the number that's hard to set aside.

No doubt Rice can (and will) rise up to be much more than it is now, but I think the enrollment numbers cannot be ignored when extrapolating the potential ceilings of each school.

You could say the same about any current G5 that moved up.

Rice has actually grown in enrollment the last few years and may well again in the future.

Rice University
Established 1912
Endowment $5.557 billion (2015)
Location Houston, Texas, U.S.
Students 6,623 (Fall 2015)
Undergraduates 3,879 (Fall 2015)
Postgraduates 2,744 (Fall 2014)

UH
Established 1927
Endowment US$716.4 million
Location Houston, Texas, U.S.
Students 42,704
Undergraduates 34,830
Postgraduates 7,874

(08-16-2016 09:33 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  Hell we all just need to make a presentation...

I'd be surprised if all of your schools haven't been in touch with the B12. The only ones being mentioned are the ones the B12 are interested in taking a closer look. I know for a fact not all schools who've applied have been mentioned by the B12 and that includes mine - USA.

This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

Completely agreed.

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

And who is throwing all of these names out there? Is it the media or the people who make the decisions?

Look, nothing against Rice (maybe against Tulame, smu and Tulsa) but these small private schools just do no have the alumni base to be desirable. Even now that a few are in the vaunted aac they still play in empty venues.
I read somewhere during all of this realignment years ago that Texas graduates more in one year than the entire living alumni base of Tulsa. Think about that for a moment.

(08-17-2016 12:34 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 12:28 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ehhh. I think the idea that Houston is topped out is somewhat misleading. Its probably near the top of what it can be as a G5---but throw it in a P5 and that ceiling moves way up. The reality of the situation however, is UH likely has far more upside simply due to the numbers. Rice has a small highly prestigious student body. Houston is large public school with an enrollment that's about 10 times the size of the Rice enrollment. When it comes to overall potential---that's the number that's hard to set aside.

No doubt Rice can (and will) rise up to be much more than it is now, but I think the enrollment numbers cannot be ignored when extrapolating the potential ceilings of each school.

You could say the same about any current G5 that moved up.

Rice has actually grown in enrollment the last few years and may well again in the future.

Rice University
Established 1912
Endowment $5.557 billion (2015)
Location Houston, Texas, U.S.
Students 6,623 (Fall 2015)
Undergraduates 3,879 (Fall 2015)
Postgraduates 2,744 (Fall 2014)

UH
Established 1927
Endowment US$716.4 million
Location Houston, Texas, U.S.
Students 42,704
Undergraduates 34,830
Postgraduates 7,874

I wonder what the difference in # of undergrads who live on campus is between Rice and UH.

(08-18-2016 12:27 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

And who is throwing all of these names out there? Is it the media or the people who make the decisions?

Look, nothing against Rice (maybe against Tulame, smu and Tulsa) but these small private schools just do no have the alumni base to be desirable. Even now that a few are in the vaunted aac they still play in empty venues.
I read somewhere during all of this realignment years ago that Texas graduates more in one year than the entire living alumni base of Tulsa. Think about that for a moment.

Rice was pretty slow on the decision to grow but has done so in the past 10 years to hit 4000 undergrads. Duke and Vandy are around 6500, the difference being they've had P5 money for a long time.

The living alumni for Rice can't even fill our football stadium, but that didn't stop us from filling it up back when it was built (and Rice enrollment was considerably smaller). It all depends on how good the product is.

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

I still think this is all for show & both the XII & the schools to be added already know what's up. There's no way the Big XII is actually considering Tulane, NIU, and some of these other applicants. No. Effing. Way.

I've predicted it many times and I am sticking with it. If B12 expands (and $40-$80 million a year says they will); they take Cincy and Houston, and call it a day. Don't think Memphis and the Fed Ex can pull it off. BYU has too much controversy. And there is truly no chance for any other AAC squad to get an invite.

Keep in mind, Suwanee College was long a member of the SEC...

(08-21-2016 07:37 PM)goliath74 Wrote:  Keep in mind, Suwanee College was long a member of the SEC...

Only about eight years. Their success was in the Southern Conference before the SEC was formed.

Awwww... EcU is out.



ECU no longer being considered for Big 12
Charlotte Observer -College Sports August 31, 2016 9:56 AM
From staff reports

The Big 12 is no longer considering East Carolina as an expansion candidate, the school announced Wednesday.

“While it is obviously not the decision we were hoping for, I am confident ECU put forth its best effort during this process,” Jeff Compher, ECU’s athletic director, said in a statement. “Through a determined approach we were able to tell our story to not only the Big 12, but the entire nation.”

(08-20-2016 11:19 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

I still think this is all for show & both the XII & the schools to be added already know what's up. There's no way the Big XII is actually considering Tulane, NIU, and some of these other applicants. No. Effing. Way.

ya think????

it easily falls under the 'no shite' category.....

it's a pointless discussion.....

however, its a bbs.....so we have that 'workings'

(08-31-2016 01:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 11:19 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

I still think this is all for show & both the XII & the schools to be added already know what's up. There's no way the Big XII is actually considering Tulane, NIU, and some of these other applicants. No. Effing. Way.

ya think????

it easily falls under the 'no shite' category.....

it's a pointless discussion.....

however, its a bbs.....so we have that 'workings'

Tulane apparently made the cut and is being vetted deeply, per Oklahoma sources... soooooo, anything can happen?

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(08-31-2016 01:33 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 11:19 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

I still think this is all for show & both the XII & the schools to be added already know what's up. There's no way the Big XII is actually considering Tulane, NIU, and some of these other applicants. No. Effing. Way.

ya think????

it easily falls under the 'no shite' category.....

it's a pointless discussion.....

however, its a bbs.....so we have that 'workings'

Tulane apparently made the cut and is being vetted deeply, per Oklahoma sources... soooooo, anything can happen?

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lol at that undersizing in acquisition...but yeah, anything is plausible in this battering ram or ringing the bell...

Tulane/SMU/UCF/USF likely have no chance. Memphis/UConn are more intriguing. Think it will ultimately come down to BYU/Cincy/Houston.

(08-31-2016 01:44 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:33 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:31 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-20-2016 11:19 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:03 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  This is no knock on Rice or any other school applying for BigXII membership, but the entire BigXii process seems like an amateur hour joke--something channeling American Idol. When the AAC or B1G expanded there was none of this sort of thing. Whatever was done was done for the most part behind closed doors.

I still think this is all for show & both the XII & the schools to be added already know what's up. There's no way the Big XII is actually considering Tulane, NIU, and some of these other applicants. No. Effing. Way.

ya think????

it easily falls under the 'no shite' category.....

it's a pointless discussion.....

however, its a bbs.....so we have that 'workings'

Tulane apparently made the cut and is being vetted deeply, per Oklahoma sources... soooooo, anything can happen?

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lol at that undersizing in acquisition...but yeah, anything is plausible in this battering ram or ringing the bell...

Obviously i expect NIU is out of the running already, but the fact that uncommon candidates SMU and Tulane made the first cut (and there are still rumors that the list contains some surprise names... my guess is CSU) means the B12 is a mess regardless of who gets invited

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