(08-16-2016 02:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 11:14 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 11:09 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 10:52 AM)tigerex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 10:41 AM)holyterror Wrote:  If we don't get in, many (many more?) on here will need counseling.

My suspicion is many needed it long before now, IMHO.

Serious question : do you want Tiger fans to need counseling?
It seems some fans want the Big 12 thing to fail so they can be giddy about other Tiger fans supposedly losing their minds. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Again, who wants Memphis to the B12 to fail?

Making up shtt on a message board doesn't mean one is being positive nor does it mean Memphis will get into the B12.

It just means that person is making shtt up.

Pointing that out doesn't mean anyone wants Memphis to be left out in the cold or that they are being negative.

The fact that some either trouble or pretend to trouble with this distinction means they are either not the sharpest knife OR that they already need counseling.

No in between. One or the other.

It's all bypassing the original statement which basically said some folks will need counseling if this doesn't go thru.

That's a dumb statement anyways unless everyone actually knows each other on a personal level outside this forum and is aware of their mental state.

Some fans seem to revel in the fact that others are talking shtt and these same fans then wonder what would happen to these shtt talkers if we don't get into the Big 12. The fact that this so called fans would even bring up the point that these shtt talkers will finally get their due if we don't get into the Big 12 is unfathomable.

Huh?

(08-16-2016 02:57 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I hope Memphis and Cincinnati get in. But the B12 teams remain splinter on their visions on what their conference should look like! It must be hard waiting for closure on this issue. Again good luck.

How long did it take the ACC to decide on UL?

(08-16-2016 08:43 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:41 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  Refuse to do a new thread .

You need help

Counseling ?

(08-16-2016 02:35 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 09:08 AM)FantasyRC Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:44 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  It's amazing how these writers all downplay & criticize the candidates for the B12 yet never subject the also rans already within the P5 conferences to such ratings in comparison. Where would Indiana, Purdue, Kansas, Vandy, NC St, Wake Forest, BC, Syracuse, Rutgers, Minnesota, Cal, ASU, WSU and others stack up against even the top several AAC schools. Point is they wouldn't but the nat'l media ignores that comparison because of the facade being current P5 members provides. And this academics argument is just another means to demean. If they want academics, quit splitting hairs, go push the Ivy League if they want some real academic strength.

I would agree with you regarding academics if athletic director's were the ones making the decision on expansion. However, since it's the university presidents making the decision, I think academics will probably be a factor. How much of a factor, I have no idea.

The factor then is perception, bias, subjective ratings - there's not a practical difference in the education that can be had (where similar disciplines are offered) between virtually any of the competing universities. I have a daughter who completed 2 yrs at UGA & finished at Kennesaw St - guess where the better education was found? Another child started at UGA & finished at GA St - same result. These "nat'l" ratings of schools after the top 50 are just perception & relationship based in many cases. Ironically this is the same bias I mentioned above where the Indiana's of the college world think they are above some of us in the AAC when the facts are they couldn't compete in the AAC either despite the additional $25-30M they receive.

Not really fair to compare FR and SO years when most of the classes taken are the core FR and SO classes, which usually means large classes.

No less fair than the subjective ratings, but just opinions & observations from a father paying the bill & seeing the results, anecdotal for sure.

(08-16-2016 03:19 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 02:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 11:14 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 11:09 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 10:52 AM)tigerex Wrote:  My suspicion is many needed it long before now, IMHO.

Serious question : do you want Tiger fans to need counseling?
It seems some fans want the Big 12 thing to fail so they can be giddy about other Tiger fans supposedly losing their minds. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Again, who wants Memphis to the B12 to fail?

Making up shtt on a message board doesn't mean one is being positive nor does it mean Memphis will get into the B12.

It just means that person is making shtt up.

Pointing that out doesn't mean anyone wants Memphis to be left out in the cold or that they are being negative.

The fact that some either trouble or pretend to trouble with this distinction means they are either not the sharpest knife OR that they already need counseling.

No in between. One or the other.

It's all bypassing the original statement which basically said some folks will need counseling if this doesn't go thru.

That's a dumb statement anyways unless everyone actually knows each other on a personal level outside this forum and is aware of their mental state.

Some fans seem to revel in the fact that others are talking shtt and these same fans then wonder what would happen to these shtt talkers if we don't get into the Big 12. The fact that this so called fans would even bring up the point that these shtt talkers will finally get their due if we don't get into the Big 12 is unfathomable.

Huh?

Reading comprehension is a skill I suppose

Huh?

Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

I don't disagree...I mean, where would Oklahoma State be without Mr. Pickens? However, I can't recall any other program that has had a corporate supporter go public with a promise of financial support if said school is invited to join a power conference. I don't like the inference that we are "buying" our way into a power conference, but I can understand how those on the outside would perceive it that way.

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

Case in point:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/09...ers-top-25

Someone needs to ask those guys what's so wrong with having big money boosters and corporations supporting a program?

Everyone does it.

(08-16-2016 04:44 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

Case in point:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/09...ers-top-25

Someone needs to ask those guys what's so wrong with having big money boosters and corporations supporting a program?

Everyone does it.

Interesting list. My only comment would be that all of those programs are already in P5 conferences so the perception of "buying their way in" isn't there. For whatever reason, we have that monkey on our back and it will remain there long after expansion is over, whichever way it goes.

(08-16-2016 04:44 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

I don't disagree...I mean, where would Oklahoma State be without Mr. Pickens? However, I can't recall any other program that has had a corporate supporter go public with a promise of financial support if said school is invited to join a power conference. I don't like the inference that we are "buying" our way into a power conference, but I can understand how those on the outside would perceive it that way.

I can see how it can be an issue for some, especially academics and other fanbases.

To me, I came to a full understanding of what DI athletics were about a long time ago.

I don't get too ruffled about 'cheating' and money deals and whatever.

All part of the game in reality - if you're part of the big boys table, nothing gets said...if not, it's worthy of a Behind The Lines episode.

Damn thing is so rigged, it's laughable.

But folks want to get up in arms about honesty - i.e. - big money behind a program being a major influence.

It's a bad joke really.

(08-16-2016 04:47 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:44 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

Case in point:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/09...ers-top-25

Someone needs to ask those guys what's so wrong with having big money boosters and corporations supporting a program?

Everyone does it.

Interesting list. My only comment would be that all of those programs are already in P5 conferences so the perception of "buying their way in" isn't there. For whatever reason, we have that monkey on our back and it will remain there long after expansion is over, whichever way it goes.

I gotcha, but it's all about money in reality.

No more, no less - the rest is just smoke and mirrors and faulty logic.

shiny happy people holding hands

(08-16-2016 04:47 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:44 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

I don't disagree...I mean, where would Oklahoma State be without Mr. Pickens? However, I can't recall any other program that has had a corporate supporter go public with a promise of financial support if said school is invited to join a power conference. I don't like the inference that we are "buying" our way into a power conference, but I can understand how those on the outside would perceive it that way.

I can see how it can be an issue for some, especially academics and other fanbases.

To me, I came to a full understanding of what DI athletics were about a long time ago.

I don't get too ruffled about 'cheating' and money deals and whatever.

All part of the game in reality - if you're part of the big boys table, nothing gets said...if not, it's worthy of a Behind The Lines episode.

Damn thing is so rigged, it's laughable.

But folks want to get up in arms about honesty - i.e. - big money behind a program being a major influence.

It's a bad joke really.

Yep

(08-16-2016 04:50 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:47 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:44 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:35 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 04:30 PM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Another article from Dennis Dodd on expansion. Not really anything new here, but his ranking of candidates is sure to stir some debate.

Dennis Dodd: Ranking the Top 10 Big 12 Candidates

I wonder what Oregon would be without Nike or Arkansas without Tyson/Walmart...I guess once a narrative starts though, it's just easy to keep it going.

Fact is, all DI CFB is about $$$ and the better programs have significant $$$ behind them - whether that's corporate backing or just influential boosters with ties to major corporations.

I don't Twitter, but if I did, I'd make the same point over and over and over to these guys.

There is a Fred Smith or Brad Martin or Bill Laurie or FedEx at EVERY major college program.

Case in point:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2014/09...ers-top-25

Someone needs to ask those guys what's so wrong with having big money boosters and corporations supporting a program?

Everyone does it.

Interesting list. My only comment would be that all of those programs are already in P5 conferences so the perception of "buying their way in" isn't there. For whatever reason, we have that monkey on our back and it will remain there long after expansion is over, whichever way it goes.

I gotcha, but it's all about money in reality.

No more, no less - the rest is just smoke and mirrors and faulty logic.

Welcome to the real world. Money talks bull walks. Sooner people understand that simple concept the better off they will be.

(08-16-2016 02:34 PM)Strat57 Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 02:29 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Well, this thread took less than a half-page to devolve into fighting. Guess I'll be sticking with the other thread.

Yeah. Always the same few suspects involved, too.

Every fkn time. A couple of real Tiger fans huh.

House Alonso recognizes one true Big XII thread.

And it ain't this one.

Bump. the other thread has a dumb title. I cannot in good faith support it.

(08-16-2016 10:51 AM)tigerex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 10:14 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 10:13 AM)tigerex Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 08:28 AM)FantasyRC Wrote:  Since the other expansion thread has more glitches than the launch of Windows XP, figured I'd start a new thread. Ran across this very non-substantive column by Stewart Mandel on FoxSports this morning. Absolutely nothing newsworthy in it...just a different take.

All 18 Big 12 expansion candidates seeded in the ultimate realignment bracket

I am dumber for having read that garbage.

"I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

"I'm tired, Boss. I'm tired."

Green Mile

Nice!!!

Love that movie