If the AFA is back on the table for the Big XII, a discussion here way back was that the AFA would bring a big, worldwide TV audience just like BYU.

Is that true, and if so would it make AFA much more attractive than CSU if the Big XII expands by two to the west (eastern expansion not part of this discussion)?

I'd go with Colorado State.

They have a $200 million dollar new stadium coming online.

CSU. Air Force brings nothing.

Colorado State and totally stick it to Colorado for leaving the Big XII. Boulder would be annoyed Im sure.

Byu and Afa football only is a great combo. Big 12 could add 2 others for full membership and go with 12 all sports and 14 for football.

With BYU, it's still Texas and allies wanting Houston and Oklahoma and WVU wanting UC.

IMV, the rest is just proving that they did due diligence and did not overlook somebody because Texas had their preference and Oklahoma had their's.

Air Force doesn't bring much to the table.

I would question whether they have a world-wide following, as well.

(08-14-2016 11:23 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Air Force doesn't bring much to the table.

I would question whether they have a world-wide following, as well.

It seems to me they would have the same following as Navy and Army.

(08-14-2016 11:23 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I would question whether they have a world-wide following, as well.

The Armed Forces Network, or something like that? So mainly military service folk stationed around the world? Or do vets and/or the general public have access to AFA games?

(08-14-2016 09:53 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If the AFA is back on the table for the Big XII, a discussion here way back was that the AFA would bring a big, worldwide TV audience just like BYU.

Is that true, and if so would it make AFA much more attractive than CSU if the Big XII expands by two to the west (eastern expansion not part of this discussion)?

People keep saying things like "Air Force/Navy/Army bring this huge audience", but if they actually did then why are their ratings so low and not in a power conference? Also their players, especially the linemen can't be as big as the other P5 schools. They have weight requirements for cadets.

(08-14-2016 12:29 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 11:23 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  Air Force doesn't bring much to the table.

I would question whether they have a world-wide following, as well.

It seems to me they would have the same following as Navy and Army.

They don't have the tradition, or following of either.

(08-14-2016 12:36 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 11:23 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  I would question whether they have a world-wide following, as well.

The Armed Forces Network, or something like that? So mainly military service folk stationed around the world? Or do vets and/or the general public have access to AFA games?

Again, AFA doesn't have the tradition or following of Army and Navy.


There is a reason why Army/Navy has a special place in the broadcast world. Army/AFA or Navy/AFA do not.

(08-14-2016 09:53 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If the AFA is back on the table for the Big XII, a discussion here way back was that the AFA would bring a big, worldwide TV audience just like BYU.

Is that true, and if so would it make AFA much more attractive than CSU if the Big XII expands by two to the west (eastern expansion not part of this discussion)?

Fresno State should be the add.

(08-14-2016 10:13 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I'd go with Colorado State.

They have a $200 million dollar new stadium coming online.

Just curious ,but doesn't Nebraska draw better than CSU in Fort Collins ?

I think the service academies really do not want P5 status, as they have weight/size restrictions.

At this point if two are added from the west I'm leaning toward BYU and CSU as my favorites of those obviously available. AFA has a very nice campus and of course excellent mission; be sure to visit them if ever in that part of Colorado.

(08-14-2016 01:47 PM)buffdog Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 09:53 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If the AFA is back on the table for the Big XII, a discussion here way back was that the AFA would bring a big, worldwide TV audience just like BYU.

Is that true, and if so would it make AFA much more attractive than CSU if the Big XII expands by two to the west (eastern expansion not part of this discussion)?

Fresno State should be the add.

Fresno State didn't even apply for the big 12 membership

I would think FBO would be BYU and Boise St... AFA would be all or nothing

(08-14-2016 01:47 PM)buffdog Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 09:53 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If the AFA is back on the table for the Big XII, a discussion here way back was that the AFA would bring a big, worldwide TV audience just like BYU.

Is that true, and if so would it make AFA much more attractive than CSU if the Big XII expands by two to the west (eastern expansion not part of this discussion)?

Fresno State should be the add.

Why?

(08-14-2016 01:03 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-14-2016 09:53 AM)PlayBall! Wrote:  If the AFA is back on the table for the Big XII, a discussion here way back was that the AFA would bring a big, worldwide TV audience just like BYU.

Is that true, and if so would it make AFA much more attractive than CSU if the Big XII expands by two to the west (eastern expansion not part of this discussion)?

People keep saying things like "Air Force/Navy/Army bring this huge audience", but if they actually did then why are their ratings so low and not in a power conference? Also their players, especially the linemen can't be as big as the other P5 schools. They have weight requirements for cadets.

And what audience does Rutgers bring?

The masochist demographic?

The service academics aren't P5 for a variety of reasons yet Army still has a nice contract with CBSN and 30,000+ in the stands. Not bad.

I still think the wisest move for the schools who are not chosen is to get together and form their own large conference - perhaps a merger of sorts of the American and the Mountain West. That would allow them to consolidate the leftover money.

I also think that if three of the 16 members of that league were the service academies, that would add to the appeal of the conference.

For the sake of this exercise, let's say the Big 12 takes BYU and Cincinnati. That would leave you with the following schools (among others):

AMW - East
1.) Army
2.) ECU
3.) Memphis
4.) Navy
5.) Temple
6.) UCF
7.) UConn
8.) USF

AMW - West
1.) Air Force
2.) Boise State
3.) Colorado State
4.) Fresno State
5.) Nevada
6.) San Diego State
7.) SMU
8.) UNLV

The downside of having such a widely spread out conference is obvious. It would be difficult for fans to travel to those games. However, the upside is you would basically be taking every major brand outside of the Power 5 and you would consolidate the money that way. Also, you could televise games in every major time zone – making you more flexible (and valuable) for ESPN and/or Fox.