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Latest from the Twitterati - Big 12 expansion theory
I wanted to pass this along as I thought the perspective was interesting.

I'm still in the camp that thinks Flugaur has legitimate information although it's obvious he's not connected to the inner circle of any decision makers.


Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM:Boren & Bowlsby goal is too make B12 as attractive to"new media" as possible for 2024.

Other schools in B12 not in Texas faction agree

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM:"It's clear that if a future can be carved out for B12 beyond 2024 ESPN will play little or no part in its future".

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: "Boren is of 2 minds. (1) To save B12 beyond 2024 (2) If #1 can't happen..make sure OU has no hindrances in leaving Conference in "24"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: "But Boren & Bowlsby have acknowledged where B12 stands with ESPN in pecking order..now..but even more importantly in 2025...dead last"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM:"So what is this new media that will want to distribute B12 content streaming on multiple different platforms? Who? Who the hell knows"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: "It won't be ESPN. Disney just bought some parts of streaming company with the chance to but all of it in future"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "But ESPN tells B12 there is no future for any digital B12N."

"If B12 survives it does so because of Google..Netflix..Hulu...somebody"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "ESPN makes their investment into ACC. ESPN goes in on 2nd part of B10 Tier 1&2 contract"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "This acknowledgement from leaders in B12 outside of Austin has changed the landscape on the ground in B12 offices"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "Boren got his CCG..now is going full throttle in expansion. Wanting to create attractive B12 for new customers in B12"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "This is about 2024.So what can Boren & Bowlsby do? Shake Schools,who are interested in joining B12, into showing what they bring in 24

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "Eyeing a future away from ESPN is daunting.But a future with ESPN past 2024 keeps B12 the most unstable conference in P5"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "Candidates for B12 expansion must show large fanbase. Must show decent media market. Must show decent Alumni numbers of participation"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"OU contacts believe BYU must make a public statement in regards to changing Honor Code. Must give B12 Presidents political cover"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"The change in Honor Code wording,if BYU decides to go in that direction,has to be public. So we will all know if BYU is stil candidate"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"Without the public statement, without the political cover for B12 Presidents, the BYU candidacy is dead in the water"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "OU Contacts, because of the need of B12 to create attractivness, value, without little or no ESPN beyond "24"...UCF is hot"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:" All the negatives UCF had...ESPN not wanting P5 FL school outside of ACC/SEC (ACCN investment) is no longer negatives in eyes of B&B.

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"FOX (if expansion has to head to 14) sees it best case scenario of UCF/UCONN/CINCY....now viable"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "So 2 questions remain.(1)Does BYU make a public change in Honor Code?

(2) Does Texas attempt to stop climb to 14 if UH/UCONN/UC/UCF"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "This Big 12 expansion story is very difficult for ESPN to cover"

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The problem with Western Expansion (outside of BYU) it doesn't attract FOX for beyond 2024. B12 Presidents are aware of this...

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
And when BTM said ESPN is having troubles covering this story...he did not mean with ethics.

It's a tough story.

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Investments in Streaming is being made by FOX..ESPN..and others.

But B12 content at this time is not in plans for any of these investments

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big 12 knows where it sits with ESPN (outside of Texas) and this truth has rattled some writers/bloggers...

Sorry.

It is what it is...

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Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@JimUSFSig @KUandUofAfan

Whatever ESPN is in 2024...it will have B12 as lowest priority.

B12 hopes new media interests appear on stage 24

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Thoughts?
08-13-2016 09:36 PM
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RE: Latest from the Twitterati - Big 12 expansion theory
(08-13-2016 09:36 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I wanted to pass this along as I thought the perspective was interesting.

I'm still in the camp that thinks Flugaur has legitimate information although it's obvious he's not connected to the inner circle of any decision makers.


Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM:Boren & Bowlsby goal is too make B12 as attractive to"new media" as possible for 2024.

Other schools in B12 not in Texas faction agree

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM:"It's clear that if a future can be carved out for B12 beyond 2024 ESPN will play little or no part in its future".

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: "Boren is of 2 minds. (1) To save B12 beyond 2024 (2) If #1 can't happen..make sure OU has no hindrances in leaving Conference in "24"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: "But Boren & Bowlsby have acknowledged where B12 stands with ESPN in pecking order..now..but even more importantly in 2025...dead last"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM:"So what is this new media that will want to distribute B12 content streaming on multiple different platforms? Who? Who the hell knows"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 3h3 hours ago
BTM: "It won't be ESPN. Disney just bought some parts of streaming company with the chance to but all of it in future"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "But ESPN tells B12 there is no future for any digital B12N."

"If B12 survives it does so because of Google..Netflix..Hulu...somebody"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "ESPN makes their investment into ACC. ESPN goes in on 2nd part of B10 Tier 1&2 contract"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "This acknowledgement from leaders in B12 outside of Austin has changed the landscape on the ground in B12 offices"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "Boren got his CCG..now is going full throttle in expansion. Wanting to create attractive B12 for new customers in B12"

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "This is about 2024.So what can Boren & Bowlsby do? Shake Schools,who are interested in joining B12, into showing what they bring in 24

-------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "Eyeing a future away from ESPN is daunting.But a future with ESPN past 2024 keeps B12 the most unstable conference in P5"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "Candidates for B12 expansion must show large fanbase. Must show decent media market. Must show decent Alumni numbers of participation"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"OU contacts believe BYU must make a public statement in regards to changing Honor Code. Must give B12 Presidents political cover"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"The change in Honor Code wording,if BYU decides to go in that direction,has to be public. So we will all know if BYU is stil candidate"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"Without the public statement, without the political cover for B12 Presidents, the BYU candidacy is dead in the water"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "OU Contacts, because of the need of B12 to create attractivness, value, without little or no ESPN beyond "24"...UCF is hot"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:" All the negatives UCF had...ESPN not wanting P5 FL school outside of ACC/SEC (ACCN investment) is no longer negatives in eyes of B&B.

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM:"FOX (if expansion has to head to 14) sees it best case scenario of UCF/UCONN/CINCY....now viable"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "So 2 questions remain.(1)Does BYU make a public change in Honor Code?

(2) Does Texas attempt to stop climb to 14 if UH/UCONN/UC/UCF"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
BTM: "This Big 12 expansion story is very difficult for ESPN to cover"

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The problem with Western Expansion (outside of BYU) it doesn't attract FOX for beyond 2024. B12 Presidents are aware of this...

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
And when BTM said ESPN is having troubles covering this story...he did not mean with ethics.

It's a tough story.

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Investments in Streaming is being made by FOX..ESPN..and others.

But B12 content at this time is not in plans for any of these investments

--------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big 12 knows where it sits with ESPN (outside of Texas) and this truth has rattled some writers/bloggers...

Sorry.

It is what it is...

---------------

Greg Flugaur ‏@flugempire 1h1 hour ago
@JimUSFSig @KUandUofAfan

Whatever ESPN is in 2024...it will have B12 as lowest priority.

B12 hopes new media interests appear on stage 24

---------------

Thoughts?

That's a lot of tweets and many words to say not much has changed since 2012.

I will, however, make one observation out of all of this. If ESPN has no interest in the Big 12 after 2024 then I would imagine that certain Big 12 properties have been put on notice. Play ball with the ACC or SEC or risk getting none of ESPN's coverage.

If Texas is recalcitrant then I would say things are looking good for the ACC with regards to the Horns.

Boren is an old man. Things will change at OU before 2024. Kansas will be okay. Everyone else is in worse position than those left behind in the old Big East after the first defections. This time around conferences will be hungry for brands. The rest aren't brands.
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RE: Latest from the Twitterati - Big 12 expansion theory
(08-13-2016 09:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That's a lot of tweets and many words to say not much has changed since 2012.

True enough, but I was more interested in the claim that the Big 12 is banking/gambling on new media for 2024.

It would at least explain why the Big 12 would charge ahead with expansion despite the displeasure of ESPN/FOX. If Texas really wants to stick around and give their fiefdom a shot at survival then this approach would make sense despite it being reckless.

There's the question of timing too. The league turned on a dime when the ACCN was announced. Perhaps it was then they realized how desperate the situation was? Desperate people don't usually make great decisions.
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I don't buy that ESPN told the Big 12 that their isn't a place for a network. It doesn't take that much money now a days. Especially if ESPN can deduct the cost from media contract payouts.
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If the Big12 thinks they can play dress up until 2024 then they are already lost.

2024 is an enternity away.

I'm now starting to buy the conference room theories.

The world moves much faster than it did in the 60s--and the 90s.
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(08-14-2016 01:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If the Big12 thinks they can play dress up until 2024 then they are already lost.

2024 is an enternity away.

I'm now starting to buy the conference room theories.

The world moves much faster than it did in the 60s--and the 90s.

IMO here are the events leading to this moment.

1. SMU and the OU / UGA decision kill the SWC. Texas scrambles to reassemble their fiefdom by dissing the PAC and pushing the Big 12 idea.

2. Nebraska says screw this Texas crap and bails for more money and a different overlord(s).

3. Colorado with major internal issues take "the first train for the coast, only without the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" and get their sorry butts stuck in the doldrums of the PAC.

4. A&M does what they've wanted for years and a spurned Mizzou jumps hitches the first ride that picks them up for some breakup revenge against the Big 10.

5. Texas threatens to go to the PAC at this point to extract a bribe not to do so from ESPN that is pissing their pants to keep from losing their lasso on Bevo. ESPN will forever regret the LHN.

6. Now that networks have created a great and burgeoning disparity in income, and now that the best realignment targets are safely locked either in the big time winning conferences (SEC & Big 10) or are safely squirreled away behind a GOR (ACC) Texas and Oklahoma find themselves adrift in an ocean of football flotsam clinging to the only thing that still floats, their reputations.

7. So Texas concocts this I'll make you pay pro rata strategy to extract a sum that the networks are willing to pay to keep them from screwing up the culmination of realignment by adding more whiny wannabes to the predetermined number of the new upper tier. That figure was a 19% bump over where they are. UT does the math vs pro rata but still wants their fiefdom as it has been for decades.

8. Bevo calls Trammel and says float this offer. The money is the same as the 19% or the pro rata, but it lets Texas keep their own division of basically Texas schools. It allows Oklahoma to keep OSU and KState is salvaged by Kansas and Iowa State stays P5. They think it's great and surely ESPN will jump at this.

Now we have to wonder how totally hacked ESPN may be for getting publicly yanked around this way.

The positives for ESPN I've listed. But, not even ESPN is going to force the SEC to do something it might indeed want to resist.

The question will become if the answer is "No" what will Texas try to do now? They have a history of trying to knock over the party table when they don't get their way.

ESPN might just say to Texas, "FOX YOU BEVO!", wiggle out of the LHN, and let them head North along the Chisolm Trail to the slaughterhouse in Chicago. After all that is their history.

Oklahoma would be a lot easier to appease and to live with. And ESPN might double their efforts to land them if they cut Texas loose. We'll see.
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(08-14-2016 02:14 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 01:39 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  If the Big12 thinks they can play dress up until 2024 then they are already lost.

2024 is an enternity away.

I'm now starting to buy the conference room theories.

The world moves much faster than it did in the 60s--and the 90s.

IMO here are the events leading to this moment.

1. SMU and the OU / UGA decision kill the SWC. Texas scrambles to reassemble their fiefdom by dissing the PAC and pushing the Big 12 idea.

2. Nebraska says screw this Texas crap and bails for more money and a different overlord(s).

3. Colorado with major internal issues take "the first train for the coast, only without the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" and get their sorry butts stuck in the doldrums of the PAC.

4. A&M does what they've wanted for years and a spurned Mizzou jumps hitches the first ride that picks them up for some breakup revenge against the Big 10.

5. Texas threatens to go to the PAC at this point to extract a bribe not to do so from ESPN that is pissing their pants to keep from losing their lasso on Bevo. ESPN will forever regret the LHN.

6. Now that networks have created a great and burgeoning disparity in income, and now that the best realignment targets are safely locked either in the big time winning conferences (SEC & Big 10) or are safely squirreled away behind a GOR (ACC) Texas and Oklahoma find themselves adrift in an ocean of football flotsam clinging to the only thing that still floats, their reputations.

7. So Texas concocts this I'll make you pay pro rata strategy to extract a sum that the networks are willing to pay to keep them from screwing up the culmination of realignment by adding more whiny wannabes to the predetermined number of the new upper tier. That figure was a 19% bump over where they are. UT does the math vs pro rata but still wants their fiefdom as it has been for decades.

8. Bevo calls Trammel and says float this offer. The money is the same as the 19% or the pro rata, but it lets Texas keep their own division of basically Texas schools. It allows Oklahoma to keep OSU and KState is salvaged by Kansas and Iowa State stays P5. They think it's great and surely ESPN will jump at this.

Now we have to wonder how totally hacked ESPN may be for getting publicly yanked around this way.

The positives for ESPN I've listed. But, not even ESPN is going to force the SEC to do something it might indeed want to resist.

The question will become if the answer is "No" what will Texas try to do now? They have a history of trying to knock over the party table when they don't get their way.

ESPN might just say to Texas, "FOX YOU BEVO!", wiggle out of the LHN, and let them head North along the Chisolm Trail to the slaughterhouse in Chicago. After all that is their history.

Oklahoma would be a lot easier to appease and to live with. And ESPN might double their efforts to land them if they cut Texas loose. We'll see.

As far as Missouri goes, I do not think they ever thought the SEC would consider inviting them. At the time, the B1G seems like the logical step up for Missouri. I know Missouri was bitter at the B1G treatment, but there is satisfaction knowing they had would love to have that decision back. Missouri ended up in the best, most equal and sharing conference in America. I doubt the B1G will ever coax them out of the SEC. It is a complete paradise.
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Big Ten just needs to add Kansas and Missouri to get to 16, leaving the SEC with 13. The SEC then adds Texas, Oklahoma, and the Pirates to get to 16.
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(08-16-2016 07:21 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big Ten just needs to add Kansas and Missouri to get to 16, leaving the SEC with 13. The SEC then adds Texas, Oklahoma, and the Pirates to get to 16.

Why would we give up Missouri?

We could just add OU and someone else to get to 16.
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(08-16-2016 07:21 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big Ten just needs to add Kansas and Missouri to get to 16, leaving the SEC with 13. The SEC then adds Texas, Oklahoma, and the Pirates to get to 16.

If the ECU presence online is any indication then y'all certainly bring something to the table.

If it's not the SEC, I do hope y'all end up in a Power conference. I think you've earned it.
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(08-16-2016 10:42 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 07:21 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  Big Ten just needs to add Kansas and Missouri to get to 16, leaving the SEC with 13. The SEC then adds Texas, Oklahoma, and the Pirates to get to 16.

If the ECU presence online is any indication then y'all certainly bring something to the table.

If it's not the SEC, I do hope y'all end up in a Power conference. I think you've earned it.

They do have a huge presence. I think their 10 year avg for football is 44k for football and that's without a schedule full of P5 opponents.
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