As expansion candidates. 10 of these programs are currently in the AAC. What is the benefit of making all of this public? What's the upside to dragging all of those schools through this process in this manner when they may have to reforge relationships within their ranks when the B12 is finished dragging them. It's all very strange, there's some kind of stagecraft to it and I don't get the purpose. Is this just a way to string this out while they beat up on fox/ESPN? It's the only rationale that makes any sense but even then there's no reason to make it all public knowledge. You can do all of this discreetly including informing your television partners of your intentions.

I think it's a sign of a conference with members at a complete disagreement over who to invite. I would not be surprised if no one was invited. I do think the University of Houston and BYU should be in a power conference. Sadly, I do not think it will happen. That is one of the most dysfunctional group of institutions I have ever seen.

(08-12-2016 11:05 PM)texasorange Wrote:  That is one of the most dysfunctional group of institutions I have ever seen.

It really is worse than the Big East. Then it was two groups, the football and basketball schools, who were worried about their futures. In the Big XII it's every man for himself. Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma have no intentions of helping the other seven. The seven have no intention of allowing Texas and Oklahoma to leave peacefully.

You'd think that they could reach a deal where the grant of rights is waived and exit fee reduced/waived, and four schools are added. This would ensure the remaining schools are able to keep the Big XII conference alive when the exodus occurs and the ones leaving can do so under more reasonable terms. The four schools added would also have a period of time where they are associated with Texas, KU, and OU helping their brand and recruiting.

They're playing poker. They don't want to expand and were hoping that their saber rattling about adding Memphis and schools of that ilk would result in the networks panicking and paying them yet more money than they are not worth.

It's not working.

The old adage, "Any publicity is good publicity," comes to mind. The ACC signed a deal that secures the ACC for an additional 10 years (now two decades) and create a network. How do they get the media to take their eyes off the ACC? Publicize what has been going on for years: Expansion talks!

In reality, everyone knew most of the players, the facts, the options, the wild speculations. No one believed FSU and Clemson were heading to the Big 12, now it is fact and secured. The Big 12 has the option of increasing their roles by up to four teams and they have been in constant communication with several for years.

With so many schools wanting a seat at the big boy table, the Big 12 must now answer them all. Why not make another show of it. Drag it out. Unless the Big 12 gets a conference network and an extended GOR, there is no net change to their stability. Even expansion will not save the conference if UT and/or OU decides to walk at the end of the current GOR (9 more seasons counting this fall).

If I were teams like ISU and WVU I would be working ASAP to jump ship and head to Big 10 or ACC and avoid the catastrophe that is coming.

(08-13-2016 08:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  The old adage, "Any publicity is good publicity," comes to mind. The ACC signed a deal that secures the ACC for an additional 10 years (now two decades) and create a network. How do they get the media to take their eyes off the ACC? Publicize what has been going on for years: Expansion talks!

In reality, everyone knew most of the players, the facts, the options, the wild speculations. No one believed FSU and Clemson were heading to the Big 12, now it is fact and secured. The Big 12 has the option of increasing their roles by up to four teams and they have been in constant communication with several for years.

With so many schools wanting a seat at the big boy table, the Big 12 must now answer them all. Why not make another show of it. Drag it out. Unless the Big 12 gets a conference network and an extended GOR, there is no net change to their stability. Even expansion will not save the conference if UT and/or OU decides to walk at the end of the current GOR (9 more seasons counting this fall).

I've worked in public relations (crisis communication) for a long time now and anyone who says any publicity is good publicity has never really had bad publicity.

It's honestly one of those sayings that for some reason has caught traction but is really wretched advice. I think it's because it sounds like it makes sense, even though it really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.

For example, Penn State got a TON of free publicity during its child rape scandal. Do you think they subscribe to the theory that any publicity is good publicity?

Sorry for the rant but I really hate that expression because it is almost always really bad advice.

As for the Big 12, I don't think they are getting good publicity here. To be honest, aside from the zealots, I don't think anyone's paying attention to that circus. I think most people are paying attention to the Olympics and the upcoming football season. However, for the people who are paying attention to that absurd drama, there's no way those folks are coming away with a high opinion of that conference. They look like they are run by a bunch of clowns.

(08-13-2016 10:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 08:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  The old adage, "Any publicity is good publicity," comes to mind. The ACC signed a deal that secures the ACC for an additional 10 years (now two decades) and create a network. How do they get the media to take their eyes off the ACC? Publicize what has been going on for years: Expansion talks!

In reality, everyone knew most of the players, the facts, the options, the wild speculations. No one believed FSU and Clemson were heading to the Big 12, now it is fact and secured. The Big 12 has the option of increasing their roles by up to four teams and they have been in constant communication with several for years.

With so many schools wanting a seat at the big boy table, the Big 12 must now answer them all. Why not make another show of it. Drag it out. Unless the Big 12 gets a conference network and an extended GOR, there is no net change to their stability. Even expansion will not save the conference if UT and/or OU decides to walk at the end of the current GOR (9 more seasons counting this fall).

I've worked in public relations (crisis communication) for a long time now and anyone who says any publicity is good publicity has never really had bad publicity.

It's honestly one of those sayings that for some reason has caught traction but is really wretched advice. I think it's because it sounds like it makes sense, even though it really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.

For example, Penn State got a TON of free publicity during its child rape scandal. Do you think they subscribe to the theory that any publicity is good publicity?

Sorry for the rant but I really hate that expression because it is almost always really bad advice.

The issue is not child molestation, just conference expansion. Getting the lime light off the ACC which had just scored a tremendous blow to their detractors was/is important. No one is analyzing the deal and the agreement with ESPN to ensure that the ACC is on par with the B1G and SEC and other key issues. Instead, we are discussing the Big 12 and possible expansion.

Though I agree in principal with what you are saying, again, this is not a criminal matter, just getting attention to where one party (Big 12) wants it instead of where it really should be (ACC).

Besides, politicians seem to benefit from the criminal element of publicity - we have two of the biggest cons running for prez right now!

(Not getting political, just using current events to cheap shot a solid point)

(08-13-2016 11:28 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 10:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 08:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  The old adage, "Any publicity is good publicity," comes to mind. The ACC signed a deal that secures the ACC for an additional 10 years (now two decades) and create a network. How do they get the media to take their eyes off the ACC? Publicize what has been going on for years: Expansion talks!

I've worked in public relations (crisis communication) for a long time now and anyone who says any publicity is good publicity has never really had bad publicity. ...I really hate that expression because it is almost always really bad advice.

...Getting the lime light off the ACC which had just scored a tremendous blow to their detractors was/is important. No one is analyzing the deal and the agreement with ESPN to ensure that the ACC is on par with the B1G and SEC and other key issues. Instead, we are discussing the Big 12 and possible expansion.
...just getting attention to where one party (Big 12) wants it instead of where it really should be (ACC).

The Big XII is acting like a bratty little girl who can't stand the idea that people are starting to like the new girl (ACC) better, so she does everything she can to get attention back on herself (even if it makes her look ridiculous).

(08-14-2016 05:25 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 11:28 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 10:42 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 08:01 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  The old adage, "Any publicity is good publicity," comes to mind. The ACC signed a deal that secures the ACC for an additional 10 years (now two decades) and create a network. How do they get the media to take their eyes off the ACC? Publicize what has been going on for years: Expansion talks!

I've worked in public relations (crisis communication) for a long time now and anyone who says any publicity is good publicity has never really had bad publicity. ...I really hate that expression because it is almost always really bad advice.

...Getting the lime light off the ACC which had just scored a tremendous blow to their detractors was/is important. No one is analyzing the deal and the agreement with ESPN to ensure that the ACC is on par with the B1G and SEC and other key issues. Instead, we are discussing the Big 12 and possible expansion.
...just getting attention to where one party (Big 12) wants it instead of where it really should be (ACC).

The Big XII is acting like a bratty little girl who can't stand the idea that people are starting to like the new girl (ACC) better, so she does everything she can to get attention back on herself (even if it makes her look ridiculous).

Limelight generally has a positive connotation. The B12 with their conflicting public statements and knee-jerk openly reactionary leadership is not doing the perception of the B12 any favors. If anything it's damaging the brands they're considering as they reinforce the notion that none of them are worth it. As I noted previously this seems like a tactic to draw the situation out in an effort to attempt and get what they can out of their television partners. It's incompetence and desperation, more like a hostage situation than a card game. People say they may be bluffing their TV partners to up their contracts and GOR, but bluffing implies subtlety and confidence which are conspicuously lacking when it comes to that conference.

Thank God Louisville found its way into the ACC instead of that circus. That's 1 mistake in glad they made.

(08-15-2016 10:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Thank God Louisville found its way into the ACC instead of that circus. That's 1 mistake in glad they made.

One of the all-time great turn of events for my Louisville brothers! So happy for you guys!

(08-12-2016 10:40 PM)L-yes Wrote:  As expansion candidates. 10 of these programs are currently in the AAC. What is the benefit of making all of this public? What's the upside to dragging all of those schools through this process in this manner when they may have to reforge relationships within their ranks when the B12 is finished dragging them. It's all very strange, there's some kind of stagecraft to it and I don't get the purpose. Is this just a way to string this out while they beat up on fox/ESPN? It's the only rationale that makes any sense but even then there's no reason to make it all public knowledge. You can do all of this discreetly including informing your television partners of your intentions.

(08-15-2016 12:02 PM)a cat but also a bear Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 10:08 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Thank God Louisville found its way into the ACC instead of that circus. That's 1 mistake in glad they made.

One of the all-time great turn of events for my Louisville brothers! So happy for you guys!

Cincinnati deserves to be next.

Big XII should take Cincinnati and Houston -- Done until/unless the Pac-12 expands again.

(08-15-2016 01:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Big XII should take Cincinnati and Houston -- Done until/unless the Pac-12 expands again.

* and then have to deal with the nuclear fallout when the conference falls apart again.

Always felt Houston had great upside in Football going all the way back into the 1960's. They belong before some other Texas schools Not named Texas, TCU in the Big 12. I go with Houston , Cincinnati and if BYU is out and go to 14 then Memphis, UCF/USF get the call up. That is the only group to make the conference pliable going eastward. Houston is eastward in Texas.LOL