Dumb de Dumb Dumb

I don't think expansion makes sense unless you know what you're expanding for and already have an idea of how to organize the divisions.

Texas and Oklahoma obviously won't be in the same division...who would vote for that??

They have a gigantic list of candidates because they don't know what they want....it's dumb

If it is just 2 teams (what is the logic for just 2 anyways??), do they want east coast teams? do they want to bridge to West Virginia (why would you do that anyway?), do they want good market teams?

The best football powers out there are Houston and BYU. If they want football power, get those schools.

If they are just adding 2 schools, why add Houston? Another Texas team only makes sense if you're starting to reduce the # of Texas road trips

What do they WANT? If you can't answer that, why expand?? Worst expansion since....well, since the Big XII took West Virginia

I can't argue with any of that. They are very bizarre decision-makers.

Just let us NIU fans enjoy being the Rutgers of the B12. We will happily oblige you access to the Chicago DMA

I'm sure the LHN would look great on Chicago sets playing a game at US Cellular field or Soldier Field

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(08-12-2016 02:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Dumb de Dumb Dumb

I don't think expansion makes sense unless you know what you're expanding for and already have an idea of how to organize the divisions.

Texas and Oklahoma obviously won't be in the same division...who would vote for that??

They have a gigantic list of candidates because they don't know what they want....it's dumb

If it is just 2 teams (what is the logic for just 2 anyways??), do they want east coast teams? do they want to bridge to West Virginia (why would you do that anyway?), do they want good market teams?

The best football powers out there are Houston and BYU. If they want football power, get those schools.

If they are just adding 2 schools, why add Houston? Another Texas team only makes sense if you're starting to reduce the # of Texas road trips

What do they WANT? If you can't answer that, why expand?? Worst expansion since....well, since the Big XII took West Virginia

I don't think anyone sporting a Philly Eagles logo can call anyone else dumb. Expanding makes sense to a number of people for a number of reasons.

(08-12-2016 02:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Dumb de Dumb Dumb

I don't think expansion makes sense unless you know what you're expanding for and already have an idea of how to organize the divisions.

Texas and Oklahoma obviously won't be in the same division...who would vote for that??

They have a gigantic list of candidates because they don't know what they want....it's dumb

If it is just 2 teams (what is the logic for just 2 anyways??), do they want east coast teams? do they want to bridge to West Virginia (why would you do that anyway?), do they want good market teams?

The best football powers out there are Houston and BYU. If they want football power, get those schools.

If they are just adding 2 schools, why add Houston? Another Texas team only makes sense if you're starting to reduce the # of Texas road trips

What do they WANT? If you can't answer that, why expand?? Worst expansion since....well, since the Big XII took West Virginia

I don't think anyone sporting a Philly Eagles logo can call anyone else dumb. Expanding makes sense to a number of people for a number of reasons.

Evil is spot on....They lost their focus.

Looks like a friggin sideshow/bidding war.

(08-12-2016 02:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Dumb de Dumb Dumb

I don't think expansion makes sense unless you know what you're expanding for and already have an idea of how to organize the divisions.

Texas and Oklahoma obviously won't be in the same division...who would vote for that??

They have a gigantic list of candidates because they don't know what they want....it's dumb

If it is just 2 teams (what is the logic for just 2 anyways??), do they want east coast teams? do they want to bridge to West Virginia (why would you do that anyway?), do they want good market teams?

The best football powers out there are Houston and BYU. If they want football power, get those schools.

If they are just adding 2 schools, why add Houston? Another Texas team only makes sense if you're starting to reduce the # of Texas road trips

What do they WANT? If you can't answer that, why expand?? Worst expansion since....well, since the Big XII took West Virginia

I don't think anyone sporting a Philly Eagles logo can call anyone else dumb. Expanding makes sense to a number of people for a number of reasons.

The only reason why they're doing it is for a money grab. Texas doesn't really want to expand....Boren started griping about championship games and networks, and then yada yada yada, someone sees how much extra $$$ adding someone would be, and here we are

The Big XII can't figure out what it wants to be, that's the problem. Texas is just fine having their own network, Oklahoma wants to be the SEC, the rest of the conference just wants to stay relevant....

They couldn't have handled themselves worse to this point

The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

(08-12-2016 02:37 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:22 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:18 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  Dumb de Dumb Dumb

I don't think expansion makes sense unless you know what you're expanding for and already have an idea of how to organize the divisions.

Texas and Oklahoma obviously won't be in the same division...who would vote for that??

They have a gigantic list of candidates because they don't know what they want....it's dumb

If it is just 2 teams (what is the logic for just 2 anyways??), do they want east coast teams? do they want to bridge to West Virginia (why would you do that anyway?), do they want good market teams?

The best football powers out there are Houston and BYU. If they want football power, get those schools.

If they are just adding 2 schools, why add Houston? Another Texas team only makes sense if you're starting to reduce the # of Texas road trips

What do they WANT? If you can't answer that, why expand?? Worst expansion since....well, since the Big XII took West Virginia

I don't think anyone sporting a Philly Eagles logo can call anyone else dumb. Expanding makes sense to a number of people for a number of reasons.

The only reason why they're doing it is for a money grab. Texas doesn't really want to expand....Boren started griping about championship games and networks, and then yada yada yada, someone sees how much extra $$$ adding someone would be, and here we are

The Big XII can't figure out what it wants to be, that's the problem. Texas is just fine having their own network, Oklahoma wants to be the SEC, the rest of the conference just wants to stay relevant....

You don't think the other 8 schools not names Texas or OU want to make sure they have enough schools to remain a competent conference if those two take off? People can have different reasons for wanting the same thing, the important thing is that they want the same thing and they all do. They all want to expand. It doesn't matter why each member wants that, only that they all want it.

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

They are still foolish to hash this out so publicly. The SEC was able to get it together and they had more teams and media partners...so did the B1G and the ACC. PAC had 10 when they went to 12 as well. Big East was kinda messy but nothing like the B12. They make the Big East look competent and functional.

B12-most disfunctional conference ever?

They know what they want- they don't want the "psychological disadvantage" of being smaller, and they want to maximize revenue. There are significant external factors pushing expansion both with regard to the playoff and revenue, and the external consultants have recommended expansion.

So they know "what" the want. They just don't know "who" they want, largely because there are not easy consensus choices.

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

Thats why there is something called "Negotiations". You think the ACC, B1G or SEC just KNEW who they wanted without going through a serious talk about it? Well the SEC probably didn't since A&M offered themselves up. When the ACC added Miami and VT it was supposed to be Miami and SYRACUSE. Then the VA governor Mark Warner got involved and got VT into the ACC. Thats how this game is played.

(08-12-2016 02:52 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

They are still foolish to hash this out so publicly. The SEC was able to get it together and they had more teams and media partners...so did the B1G and the ACC. PAC had 10 when they went to 12 as well. Big East was kinda messy but nothing like the B12. They make the Big East look competent and functional.

B12-most disfunctional conference ever?

I haven't seen the Big 12 do anything just yet that approaches Big East dysfunction circa 2011-13. Boise State and SDSU are going to the Big East and then they're not.

(08-12-2016 02:52 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

They are still foolish to hash this out so publicly. The SEC was able to get it together and they had more teams and media partners...so did the B1G and the ACC. PAC had 10 when they went to 12 as well. Big East was kinda messy but nothing like the B12. They make the Big East look competent and functional.

B12-most disfunctional conference ever?

Well right now the Big East is one of the most competent and functional conferences. They just needed the football schools to leave for competency to return. haha

Question for Evil Vodka: you graduate from FSU and LSU?

(08-12-2016 02:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

Thats why there is something called "Negotiations". You think the ACC, B1G or SEC just KNEW who they wanted without going through a serious talk about it? Well the SEC probably didn't since A&M offered themselves up. When the ACC added Miami and VT it was supposed to be Miami and SYRACUSE. Then the VA governor Mark Warner got involved and got VT into the ACC. Thats how this game is played.

You forgot BC?

You just proved the other side's point.

That was 13 years ago....the ACC played it out in the media. Since then...they along with the SEC and B1G announced new teams without a sideshow.

(08-12-2016 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:52 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

They are still foolish to hash this out so publicly. The SEC was able to get it together and they had more teams and media partners...so did the B1G and the ACC. PAC had 10 when they went to 12 as well. Big East was kinda messy but nothing like the B12. They make the Big East look competent and functional.

B12-most disfunctional conference ever?

Well right now the Big East is one of the most competent and functional conferences. They just needed the football schools to leave for competency to return. haha

It was really complicated when you had 1/2 of the conference not playing football in the conference.

You just realize that you're going to die soon, if you don't get something to eat.

So you start frantically looking around for something to eat. Anything somewhat nutritious.


That's dumb??

(08-12-2016 03:55 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:58 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 02:47 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  The issue is not that they don't know what they want. It is that there is not agreement on the different "wants". There are the 10 current schools, the conference brass, and the two media partners. Take a look at that for a moment, so there are POTENTIALLY UP TO 13 NUMBER ONE PRIORITIES plus how ever many secondary priorities they want to throw in. It is no wonder that speculation is all over the board and no consensus on where things will end up.

Thats why there is something called "Negotiations". You think the ACC, B1G or SEC just KNEW who they wanted without going through a serious talk about it? Well the SEC probably didn't since A&M offered themselves up. When the ACC added Miami and VT it was supposed to be Miami and SYRACUSE. Then the VA governor Mark Warner got involved and got VT into the ACC. Thats how this game is played.

You forgot BC?

You just proved the other side's point.

That was 13 years ago....the ACC played it out in the media. Since then...they along with the SEC and B1G announced new teams without a sideshow.

The B1G to 12 was a nearly year long sideshow.

(08-12-2016 02:55 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  They know what they want- they don't want the "psychological disadvantage" of being smaller, and they want to maximize revenue. There are significant external factors pushing expansion both with regard to the playoff and revenue, and the external consultants have recommended expansion.

So they know "what" the want. They just don't know "who" they want, largely because there are not easy consensus choices.

Well.....largely because none of them pay for their inclusion beyond the pro rata and reduced payouts to newbies. If this were a long term decision there would not even be a discussion about expansion. They can't make up their mind because none of them would qualify without pro rata.