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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
An alternative version of the 6-1-1-1 model involves division realignment. The alternate version I chose is to align the divisions by conference seniority: The seven who have been in the conference the longest and the seven who joined later.

These, then, would be my permanent and alternating rivals.

Clemson....Florida St, Miami/Va Tech
UNC..........Louisville, Florida St/Miami
Duke.........Syracuse, BC/Pitt
State.........Pitt, Louisville/BC
Wake.........BC, Syracuse/Va Tech
Virginia......VaTech, Louisville/Syracuse
Ga Tech.....Miami, Florida St/Pitt

Florida St...Clemson, Ga Tech/UNC
Miami........Ga Tech, Clemson/UNC
Va Tech......Virginia, Clemson, Wake
BC............Wake, Duke/State
Pitt...........State, Ga Tech/Duke
Syracuse...Duke, Wake/Virginia
Louisville...UNC, Virginia/State


In deference to lumberpack, I decided to allow NC State to duck Florida State as often as possible, to partially atone for the fact that the entire ACC, but especially UNC, have been nefariously conspiring to hold them down since the league was founded. 07-coffee3
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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
(08-16-2016 09:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  An alternative version of the 6-1-1-1 model involves division realignment. The alternate version I chose is to align the divisions by conference seniority: The seven who have been in the conference the longest and the seven who joined later.

These, then, would be my permanent and alternating rivals.

Clemson....Florida St, Miami/Va Tech
UNC..........Louisville, Florida St/Miami
Duke.........Syracuse, BC/Pitt
State.........Pitt, Louisville/BC
Wake.........BC, Syracuse/Va Tech
Virginia......VaTech, Louisville/Syracuse
Ga Tech.....Miami, Florida St/Pitt

Florida St...Clemson, Ga Tech/UNC
Miami........Ga Tech, Clemson/UNC
Va Tech......Virginia, Clemson, Wake
BC............Wake, Duke/State
Pitt...........State, Ga Tech/Duke
Syracuse...Duke, Wake/Virginia
Louisville...UNC, Virginia/State


In deference to lumberpack, I decided to allow NC State to duck Florida State as often as possible, to partially atone for the fact that the entire ACC, but especially UNC, have been nefariously conspiring to hold them down since the league was founded. 07-coffee3

9 conference games is not happening.
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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
(08-16-2016 09:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 09:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  An alternative version of the 6-1-1-1 model involves division realignment. The alternate version I chose is to align the divisions by conference seniority: The seven who have been in the conference the longest and the seven who joined later.

These, then, would be my permanent and alternating rivals.

Clemson....Florida St, Miami/Va Tech
UNC..........Louisville, Florida St/Miami
Duke.........Syracuse, BC/Pitt
State.........Pitt, Louisville/BC
Wake.........BC, Syracuse/Va Tech
Virginia......VaTech, Louisville/Syracuse
Ga Tech.....Miami, Florida St/Pitt

Florida St...Clemson, Ga Tech/UNC
Miami........Ga Tech, Clemson/UNC
Va Tech......Virginia, Clemson, Wake
BC............Wake, Duke/State
Pitt...........State, Ga Tech/Duke
Syracuse...Duke, Wake/Virginia
Louisville...UNC, Virginia/State


In deference to lumberpack, I decided to allow NC State to duck Florida State as often as possible, to partially atone for the fact that the entire ACC, but especially UNC, have been nefariously conspiring to hold them down since the league was founded. 07-coffee3

9 conference games is not happening.

That's OK. Neither is division realignment.
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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
(08-16-2016 10:10 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 09:52 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 09:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  An alternative version of the 6-1-1-1 model involves division realignment. The alternate version I chose is to align the divisions by conference seniority: The seven who have been in the conference the longest and the seven who joined later.

These, then, would be my permanent and alternating rivals.

Clemson....Florida St, Miami/Va Tech
UNC..........Louisville, Florida St/Miami
Duke.........Syracuse, BC/Pitt
State.........Pitt, Louisville/BC
Wake.........BC, Syracuse/Va Tech
Virginia......VaTech, Louisville/Syracuse
Ga Tech.....Miami, Florida St/Pitt

Florida St...Clemson, Ga Tech/UNC
Miami........Ga Tech, Clemson/UNC
Va Tech......Virginia, Clemson, Wake
BC............Wake, Duke/State
Pitt...........State, Ga Tech/Duke
Syracuse...Duke, Wake/Virginia
Louisville...UNC, Virginia/State


In deference to lumberpack, I decided to allow NC State to duck Florida State as often as possible, to partially atone for the fact that the entire ACC, but especially UNC, have been nefariously conspiring to hold them down since the league was founded. 07-coffee3

9 conference games is not happening.

That's OK. Neither is division realignment.

How true. The Coastal kids have everything they want.
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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
(08-15-2016 02:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Duke and UNC are hitting the local media to preserve the 8 game schedule. "Flexibility" is the cover word but the reality is the ability to duck FSU and Clemson as much as possible. A 9 game schedule is dead given the current divisional split.

You can read about here if you know how to read between the lines. http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/


FSU and Clemson folks can quit worrying. :)

Nothing will change until and unless someone is added or a semi final game becomes an option.

You're that convinced from that one paragraph? Only 2 teams have to flip.
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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
(08-16-2016 11:08 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  
(08-15-2016 02:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Duke and UNC are hitting the local media to preserve the 8 game schedule. "Flexibility" is the cover word but the reality is the ability to duck FSU and Clemson as much as possible. A 9 game schedule is dead given the current divisional split.

You can read about here if you know how to read between the lines. http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/


FSU and Clemson folks can quit worrying. :)

Nothing will change until and unless someone is added or a semi final game becomes an option.

You're that convinced from that one paragraph? Only 2 teams have to flip.

No, most don't want 8 conference games to begin with, however if the ACC is to play 10 P-5's there are some that would like to play each other more often, however no one in the Coastal wants to play 9 when that means getting FSU and/or Clemson more often. Miami and GT have the least to lose in the Coastal when it comes to that, and think of it this way UNC, Duke, VT, UVA, and Pitt can schedule Penn State, WVa, and most any other P-5 and have a better shot at winning the game than Clemson and FSU.

As to the articles, the verbiage is of no consequence. What mattered was that Duke and UNC okayed a story defending their 8 -2 position, meaning they intend to fight for it, meaning that 9-1 is dead.

Surely you don't think anything that is agreed to by UNC/Duke/FSU/Clemson would not prevail? If you think that, you don't understand the political workings of the conference.

It's of least risk to for most of the conference to close ranks behind BC and NC State with regard to P-5 cancellation than it is to absorb the blow that comes with 9-1.

The only issue forward is the disposition and characterization of G-5 games with AAC and MW schools, and if one of two schools don't have the required P-5, but don't have three FCS games, what do you think will really happen?
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http://www.espn.com/blog/acc

Andrea Adelson gives her two cents.
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(08-16-2016 02:45 PM)WakeForestRanger Wrote:  http://www.espn.com/blog/acc

Andrea Adelson gives her two cents.

Horse **** Andrea. Just plain horse ****.

UNC is not on the 9-1 bandwagon. Damn. 01-wingedeagle
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(08-16-2016 02:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 11:08 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  
(08-15-2016 02:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Duke and UNC are hitting the local media to preserve the 8 game schedule. "Flexibility" is the cover word but the reality is the ability to duck FSU and Clemson as much as possible. A 9 game schedule is dead given the current divisional split.

You can read about here if you know how to read between the lines. http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/


FSU and Clemson folks can quit worrying. :)

Nothing will change until and unless someone is added or a semi final game becomes an option.

You're that convinced from that one paragraph? Only 2 teams have to flip.

No, most don't want 8 conference games to begin with, however if the ACC is to play 10 P-5's there are some that would like to play each other more often, however no one in the Coastal wants to play 9 when that means getting FSU and/or Clemson more often. Miami and GT have the least to lose in the Coastal when it comes to that, and think of it this way UNC, Duke, VT, UVA, and Pitt can schedule Penn State, WVa, and most any other P-5 and have a better shot at winning the game than Clemson and FSU.

As to the articles, the verbiage is of no consequence. What mattered was that Duke and UNC okayed a story defending their 8 -2 position, meaning they intend to fight for it, meaning that 9-1 is dead.

Surely you don't think anything that is agreed to by UNC/Duke/FSU/Clemson would not prevail? If you think that, you don't understand the political workings of the conference.

It's of least risk to for most of the conference to close ranks behind BC and NC State with regard to P-5 cancellation than it is to absorb the blow that comes with 9-1.

The only issue forward is the disposition and characterization of G-5 games with AAC and MW schools, and if one of two schools don't have the required P-5, but don't have three FCS games, what do you think will really happen?

I don't know which way this will go. But I don't believe it will hinge on teams in the Coastal Division wanting to duck Clemson and Florida State. I dismiss that argument as nothing more than the same NC State fan paranoia I've been listening to for more than forty years. The league isn't out to keep NC State from becoming powerful, no matter how often you say it, or how much you believe it.

If it stays at 8 league games, it will be because that's what is in the best interest of a majority of its members for varied and perfectly legitimate reasons. The one thing that is a near certainty is that, whatever happens, many NC State fans will denounce it as just one more example of their big brother getting his way at their expense, because mom and dad always loved him best.
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RE: 9 Games, 6-2-1, or 6-1-2, or hybrid
Sure Ken, whatever you say, the Coastal schools are clamoring to play FSU and Clemson. Got it.03-puke


http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2013/9/...ia-florida

Funny how the footprint of Coastal schools produces on average 658 division 1 football players each year according the site I noted. The Atlantic produces just 472.

Moreover once you cut Florida out, those numbers fall to 338 to 152.

I'm sure it's just for the good of the conference that NC State and Wake Forest don't appear in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Georgia but once every 12 years. That's an average of 278 kids a year. But on the good side NC State does get to appear in NY, Mass, and KY and interest those 54 kids.

Simple math has nothing to do with paranoia. The Coastal has a huge advantage in potential football players and the advantage was exacerbated by MD's exit. NC State heavily recruited Virginia, PA, and MD in the past, but it was for the good of the league that NC State doesn't show up there but rather in Mass, KY, and NY.

Just happenstance that Duke, UVa, and UNC get the best recruiting footprint, really?
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Sounds to me like NC State needs to schedule away P5 games against Penn State and Georgia!
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(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sounds to me like NC State needs to schedule away P5 games against Penn State and Georgia!



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(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sounds to me like NC State needs to schedule away P5 games against Penn State and Georgia!



And to think I used to like you05-mafia

05-stirthepot It's TRASH TALKIN' season!
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(08-16-2016 05:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 05:15 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sounds to me like NC State needs to schedule away P5 games against Penn State and Georgia!



And to think I used to like you05-mafia

05-stirthepot It's TRASH TALKIN' season!

And you know that you have me at a distinct disadvantage. 03-shhhh
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(08-16-2016 05:20 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 05:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 05:15 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(08-16-2016 04:32 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Sounds to me like NC State needs to schedule away P5 games against Penn State and Georgia!



And to think I used to like you05-mafia

05-stirthepot It's TRASH TALKIN' season!

And you know that you have me at a distinct disadvantage. 03-shhhh

I get that a lot.
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