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RE: Jimbo Fisher - adamant on playing FCS, ego ruining football
(08-13-2016 04:25 PM)00yyz Wrote:  
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http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-15/acc/2...hedule.php

That's what Fisher wants every season, and is the only reason he said this.


Oh boo hoo ... poor NAU can't play Arizona or Arizona St anymore. No one cares.

Bet the people who pay the damn taxes to support the institutions care and they OWN all three programs.



And that is exactly why the Arizona Board of Regents requires UA and ASU, on a rotating basis, to offer NAU a game IF they play a FCS game.

1) Don't have to pay NAU as much, since it is a short trip
2) Keeps the money in-state instead of sending it to Louisiana or South Carolina
3) Gives the parents of NAU players (about 2/3 the roster are AZ products) a local game
4) Increases ticket sales, as said parents, friends of players plus alumni go to the game.

If the PAC passed a no FCS rule I am sure that requirment would be done away with...

1) I am all for playing NAU every year in non football sports for this and same state reasons...
2) is good since NAU receives 14.5 mil of there 18 mil budget from goverment subsudies...
3) vs a 2 hr drive to Flagstaff is not a reason to have the game...
4) NAU games do NOT increase ticket sales for UofA who has bad attendance for all FCS games...
Saying ASU vs NAU games have high attendance is not saying much as Phoenix has turned into a pro sports town that only goes to games in numbers if ASU is redhot...
ASU is getting rid of 10,000 plus seats for football and ASU basketball attendance can be a joke...

As a UofA fan I have seen horrible UofA teams beat NAU and other FCS schools too many times and realize FBS vs FCS are not even true games as they play on different levels...
I know some fans who refuse to go to FCS games or even games vs bottom teir FBS schools because their is no value in watching a game with a know outcome...

The FACTS do not support your attendance argument.

Last 5 years, the two highest attended OOC games have been FCS teams.

In NAU's last 3 trips to Tucson, NAU attendance has been the highest for an OOC opponent, and:

2011: - 3rd highest attended game
2013: - 2nd highest attended game
2015: - 3rd highest attended game

2013 - more than 12K showed up to see NAU play the Wildcats than showed up to see UTSA play UA.



Facts PROVE that NAU on the schedule is good for Arizona and Arizona State football attendance.
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North Texas could sell tickets if they play other Texas schools or the fans travel in state to play other Texas schools. They are not interested in playing schools like FAU or FIU. If there is no more FBS/FCS divide? We could see the rise of ticket sales because the schools could be more regional than spread out like AAC, C-USA and Sun Belt.
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RE: Jimbo Fisher - adamant on playing FCS, ego ruining football
I never got the hate the SEC takes for the placement of their FCS cupcake game. A cupcake is a cupcake, be it in September or November.
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(08-14-2016 10:04 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I never got the hate the SEC takes for the placement of their FCS cupcake game. A cupcake is a cupcake, be it in September or November.

or be it chocolate (G5) or vanilla (FCS)
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RE: Jimbo Fisher - adamant on playing FCS, ego ruining football
(08-14-2016 10:04 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I never got the hate the SEC takes for the placement of their FCS cupcake game. A cupcake is a cupcake, be it in September or November.

As a guess, I'd say it's about two things:

(1) Teams are fighting for "poll position" in November, and it irks some people that while their favorite team is risking their ranking against Oregon or Oklahoma, on the same day a highly ranked SEC team is playing Cupcake City College.

(2) From a fan point of view, fans want to see meaningful games in November instead of glorified scrimmages.
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RE: Jimbo Fisher - adamant on playing FCS, ego ruining football
(08-15-2016 12:27 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 10:04 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I never got the hate the SEC takes for the placement of their FCS cupcake game. A cupcake is a cupcake, be it in September or November.

As a guess, I'd say it's about two things:

(1) Teams are fighting for "poll position" in November, and it irks some people that while their favorite team is risking their ranking against Oregon or Oklahoma, on the same day a highly ranked SEC team is playing Cupcake City College.

(2) From a fan point of view, fans want to see meaningful games in November instead of glorified scrimmages.

1. They risked their ranking in August & September

2. Fans want to see meaningful games all season long and nobody plays all meaningful games.



Facts are these games aren't going away. The NCAA doesn't want them to go away or else they wouldn't have changed the eligibility rules. There's more FCS schools alone who want the games than FBS schools who oppose them so that rule isn't going to change any time soon.
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RE: Jimbo Fisher - adamant on playing FCS, ego ruining football
(08-15-2016 12:27 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-14-2016 10:04 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I never got the hate the SEC takes for the placement of their FCS cupcake game. A cupcake is a cupcake, be it in September or November.

As a guess, I'd say it's about two things:

(1) Teams are fighting for "poll position" in November, and it irks some people that while their favorite team is risking their ranking against Oregon or Oklahoma, on the same day a highly ranked SEC team is playing Cupcake City College.

(2) From a fan point of view, fans want to see meaningful games in November instead of glorified scrimmages.


Ask what Georgia Southern did to the Gators in November? Some of the FCS schools could beat a P5 because they are that good.
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Kaplony,

It doesn't require an NCAA rule change to the bowl eligibility criteria.

It simply requires the P5 conferences stepping up to the plate and issuing conference-wide decrees that there shall be no more FCS games. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida St, Clemson, South Carolina, etc. will just have to schedule low-end FBS games the week before their big in-state rivalry games, instead of scheduling West Carolina, etc.
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And to those who say it will close football programs at some G5 and FCS schools, the solution is very simple:

ask your students to help foot the bill.


Football is an expensive thing for a school to have. But it's also an immense source of pride for alumni and students.

If you want nice, expensive things ... well damnit, pay for them! Student fees are not false or bad, really in any sense. If the students agree to pay them, then that's that. Nothing more can really be said about it.
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(08-14-2016 01:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-13-2016 04:25 PM)00yyz Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 02:57 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 02:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-12-2016 10:50 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Per usual, dback thinks he catches me in a mistake, lunges compulsively, and turns out to not know what he's talking about. 07-coffee3

http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa-15/acc/2...hedule.php

That's what Fisher wants every season, and is the only reason he said this.


Oh boo hoo ... poor NAU can't play Arizona or Arizona St anymore. No one cares.

Bet the people who pay the damn taxes to support the institutions care and they OWN all three programs.



And that is exactly why the Arizona Board of Regents requires UA and ASU, on a rotating basis, to offer NAU a game IF they play a FCS game.

1) Don't have to pay NAU as much, since it is a short trip
2) Keeps the money in-state instead of sending it to Louisiana or South Carolina
3) Gives the parents of NAU players (about 2/3 the roster are AZ products) a local game
4) Increases ticket sales, as said parents, friends of players plus alumni go to the game.

If the PAC passed a no FCS rule I am sure that requirment would be done away with...

1) I am all for playing NAU every year in non football sports for this and same state reasons...
2) is good since NAU receives 14.5 mil of there 18 mil budget from goverment subsudies...
3) vs a 2 hr drive to Flagstaff is not a reason to have the game...
4) NAU games do NOT increase ticket sales for UofA who has bad attendance for all FCS games...
Saying ASU vs NAU games have high attendance is not saying much as Phoenix has turned into a pro sports town that only goes to games in numbers if ASU is redhot...
ASU is getting rid of 10,000 plus seats for football and ASU basketball attendance can be a joke...

As a UofA fan I have seen horrible UofA teams beat NAU and other FCS schools too many times and realize FBS vs FCS are not even true games as they play on different levels...
I know some fans who refuse to go to FCS games or even games vs bottom teir FBS schools because their is no value in watching a game with a know outcome...

The FACTS do not support your attendance argument.

Last 5 years, the two highest attended OOC games have been FCS teams.

In NAU's last 3 trips to Tucson, NAU attendance has been the highest for an OOC opponent, and:

2011: - 3rd highest attended game
2013: - 2nd highest attended game
2015: - 3rd highest attended game

2013 - more than 12K showed up to see NAU play the Wildcats than showed up to see UTSA play UA.



Facts PROVE that NAU on the schedule is good for Arizona and Arizona State football attendance.
Sorry my attendance memory decives me on the NAU which is way better than other FCS schools and good overall...
My box score memory didnt and these FCS games are a waste of time...
2011...41-10
2013...35-0
2015...77-13
Looking back till 2000 I think our most competive FCS game was a 34-17 doubling of the score and UA is not a football juggernaut...

On a side note UTSA started football in 2011 and was not considered a full FBS football team untill 2104 even though the 2013 game counted as a FBS win and that was probably reflected in the attendance and why UTSA gave us a two for one scheduling...
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(08-15-2016 11:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  And to those who say it will close football programs at some G5 and FCS schools, the solution is very simple:

ask your students to help foot the bill.


Football is an expensive thing for a school to have. But it's also an immense source of pride for alumni and students.

If you want nice, expensive things ... well damnit, pay for them! Student fees are not false or bad, really in any sense. If the students agree to pay them, then that's that. Nothing more can really be said about it.

Student fees for sports are all fine and dandy but too often they are implemented four years out so the students voting them in are not always the ones who pay them...
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(08-15-2016 11:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kaplony,

It doesn't require an NCAA rule change to the bowl eligibility criteria.

Yes it does. While the NCAA doesn't administer the bowls themselves the eligibility requirements are a NCAA rule.

Quote:It simply requires the P5 conferences stepping up to the plate and issuing conference-wide decrees that there shall be no more FCS games. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida St, Clemson, South Carolina, etc. will just have to schedule low-end FBS games the week before their big in-state rivalry games, instead of scheduling West Carolina, etc.

And exactly what difference does it make? Is there really any difference between Eastern Michigan and Wofford, except the fact that Wofford is probably better? Like I said above a cupcake is a cupcake.....you need to quit crying like a child because it's vanilla instead of chocolate.
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(08-15-2016 02:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-15-2016 11:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kaplony,

It doesn't require an NCAA rule change to the bowl eligibility criteria.

Yes it does. While the NCAA doesn't administer the bowls themselves the eligibility requirements are a NCAA rule.

Quote:It simply requires the P5 conferences stepping up to the plate and issuing conference-wide decrees that there shall be no more FCS games. Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida St, Clemson, South Carolina, etc. will just have to schedule low-end FBS games the week before their big in-state rivalry games, instead of scheduling West Carolina, etc.

And exactly what difference does it make? Is there really any difference between Eastern Michigan and Wofford, except the fact that Wofford is probably better? Like I said above a cupcake is a cupcake.....you need to quit crying like a child because it's vanilla instead of chocolate.

A couple of years ago I calculated the P5/AQ winning % over a five year period against the G5 and FCS. P5 teams won 95% of the time against the FCS and 84% against G5 teams. What I didn't try to do was to see how many of their losses came against the better G5 teams who are now considered candidates for the Big XII. I suspect they account for a lot of them.

Fact is, half of the current G5 was FCS until a few years ago. And a lot of them really aren't much better than the good FCS teams. But Kaplony is right - a cupcake is a cupcake no matter what label you stick before them.
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00,

If they're too much, the current students are always able to contact their student government to complain and get them reduced. Furthermore, the fees wouldn't be a surprise to any new students. If the fees were too much, they could choose not to enroll.


Kal,

No no. You misread what I meant, in the first part. I'm not disagreeing that it takes an NCAA rule change in order to change the bowl eligibility criteria. That is already known. Maybe if I had worded it better: it doesn't take changes to bowl eligibility criteria to get P5 teams to stop scheduling FCS teams.

If the P5 only scheduled top 10 FCS teams, then maybe. But not going after the top FCS teams usually, because like you just pointed out those teams have a greater risk for a bad loss (which defeats the point of scheduling an FCS team in the first place!). (Kudos to Iowa this year, for scheduling the five time national champs NDSU)
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I couldn't agree with the coach more. I've been to 20+ NFL games, close to 20 P5 games (Syracuse, Penn St, Washington (Apple bowl) ND and Pitt), every football game at UB during my tenure as an undergraduate and countless high school games. The best football game experience I have ever had from a fans perspective was the 2005 Union vs RPI (the dutchman's shoes game). Absolutely awesome. The college football money trickles down. And football is in trouble. Parents already are pulling their kids from the sport for health concerns. If there are less teams, aka less scholarships, even more will avoid the risk. Off the top of my head I remember UB has received a million dollars for games at Auburn and Ohio State, the latter which put Kalil Mack on the map and a top ten NFL draft pick. (BTW, before UB hired the defensive coordinator from Liberty whom recruited Mack and brought him with him, Mack would of played FCS). If the P5 wants to cut off from everyone else, horde all the money, they may have to start recruiting players off flag football church leagues.
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