Guess I'm the podcast guy for the board. Here's the link: http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play/_/id/17264429 . Will move this off the main thread, since it's not purely B12 expansion.

When this Athlete Ally group sent the letter protesting BYU's B12 bid because of their anti-LGBT Honor Code, I thought it would blow over. But now don't think so. Katz/Rick Klein interviewed ex-BYU AD Val Hale. Man, this guy sounds like he is stuck in the 50s.

* Hale ". . . don't see BYU changing that policy at all. If it precludes them playing in another conference or even having an athletic program, then I think BYU would say 'So be it' "
* Hale keeps going back to politics. Says BYU clearly top choice for B12, but worried "one thing that could derail this is something political".
* Says BYU would have been invited in '94 except for Ann Richards insisting on Baylor and Tech.

Then had a lady from Athlete Ally.
* Said BYU rated the 6th most repressive campus in U.S. for LGBT rights.
* Said 9 of 10 schools in B12 are progressive with LGBT rights. Katz asked which school was not. Lady said "Baylor". But even Baylor not as bad as BYU, as Baylor changed their language a year ago to be more accepting.

Then a guy, Gordon Monson, from the Salt Lake Tribune:
* Said "Religious beliefs are protected under the Constitution". Again, IMO, sounded out of touch. And voiced how frustrated Provo is that this has popped up now.
* "America should be big enough to accomadate schools with varying beliefs". Brought up Catholic Church and some of its beliefs.
* Said BYU is #1 in all metrics that Bowlsby laid out.
* Said language on homosexuals could be softened, but core will remain. Katz brought up gays holding hands, asked if reporter is OK with that. Reporter just said "That's a good question." Talks about spirit of the law. Wow.
* Katz: "Will BYU get in?" Monson: Monday I would have said 90%, now I'm not so sure.

Interesting tidbit: the Governor of Utah's son-in-law is the WR coach for BYU.

good

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Is it? This could change the expansion from 14 to 12. And just take Houston and Cincy

Who knows?

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Katz also said he contacted many BYU officials (he knows them from covering the WCC), the mayor of Provo, Congressman Jason Chaffetz (district includes Provo) to appear on the podcast - said "none of them wanted anything to do with this situation".

(08-11-2016 09:29 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Is it? This could know the expansion from 14 to 12. And just take Houston and Cincy

Who knows?

Very true re the 14 team to 12 team option.

(08-11-2016 09:29 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Is it? This could change the expansion from 14 to 12. And just take Houston and Cincy

Who knows?

they'll get to 14 eventually.

Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

(08-11-2016 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

Most schools have free condoms in the health department. Only weird schools that pretend sex doesn't exist don't

(08-11-2016 10:02 AM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

Most schools have free condoms in the health department. Only weird schools that pretend sex doesn't exist don't

In the Health Dep't, sure. But how many kids ever go to the Health Dep't?

Free condoms in buckets in the lobby of the dorms? I wouldn't say most schools do that.

In any case, agreed that BYU is different culturally than the Big 12.

(08-11-2016 09:29 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Is it? This could change the expansion from 14 to 12. And just take Houston and Cincy

Who knows?

Mention this same thing yesterday. They could just go with 12 and hope things die down and then later try and add two more teams. Do not like out chances with only 2 being added. Houston WILL be on of the 2. And UC is not far behind.

(08-11-2016 09:32 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:29 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Is it? This could change the expansion from 14 to 12. And just take Houston and Cincy

Who knows?

they'll get to 14 eventually.

True but our odds go down in a 2 and 2 scenario. It seems that many wants BYU. In a 2 and 2 scenario it would increase CSU position down the road. BYU and CSU coudl become a package deal due to location issues. BYU is as far away from the core of the BIg 12 as WVU.. CSU would help bridge that gap

(08-11-2016 10:02 AM)Timmy989 Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

Most schools have free condoms in the health department. Only weird schools that pretend sex doesn't exist don't

But abstinence is the only safe sex!

(08-11-2016 09:29 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:26 AM)fsquid Wrote:  good

Is it? This could change the expansion from 14 to 12. And just take Houston and Cincy

Who knows?

Yep

They don't take uh at 12 cause it gives the Texas schools to much power.

(08-11-2016 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

Big 12 schools in general are very liberal and mostly party schools. A recent STD study revealed Austin has the highest percentage or number (i forget which) of any city in the country. but then Tx has 3 of the top 10 and no Memphis is not in the top 10.

See what y'all did.

Upset this writer:

Big 12's LGBT issue not just BYU. Memphis, Houston & current members are problems

(08-11-2016 02:16 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

Big 12 schools in general are very liberal and mostly party schools. A recent STD study revealed Austin has the highest percentage or number (i forget which) of any city in the country. but then Tx has 3 of the top 10 and no Memphis is not in the top 10.

Conclusion: Memphis needs more STDs.

(08-11-2016 03:07 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  See what y'all did.

Upset this writer:

Big 12's LGBT issue not just BYU. Memphis, Houston & current members are problems

I don't put much stock in that article. It seems like a real stretch.

It mentions that the city of Houston voted down a law banning discrimination against gays. Well, the only state in the BigXII that bans gay discrimination is Iowa. And contrary to what many might think, only 18 states have such laws.

As far as TN allowing mental health professionals to not treat gay people if they don't want to, I doubt seriously if that would affect many counselors in the Memphis area, or would cause hardship for people wanting to get counseling. It's a strange law, but imho ultimately for show with few real life consequences.

(08-11-2016 03:16 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 02:16 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:42 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Reminded me of one the articles that said Fox is rushing an expansion decision because they want BYU, and want a decision before the story gets worse.

Also, school is not in session yet. Remember the campus protests at Missouri last year and safe spaces - president ended up resigning. Is it possible we see anti-BYU protests on some of the more liberal/progressive campuses like Austin or Ames?

At Iowa State, for instance, the "Department of Residence displays “free condom” buckets". Does that feel like a cultural fit with BYU?

Big 12 schools in general are very liberal and mostly party schools. A recent STD study revealed Austin has the highest percentage or number (i forget which) of any city in the country. but then Tx has 3 of the top 10 and no Memphis is not in the top 10.

Conclusion: Memphis needs more STDs.

Seems like polygamy would lead to more std's...

(08-11-2016 03:07 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  See what y'all did.

Upset this writer:

Big 12's LGBT issue not just BYU. Memphis, Houston & current members are problems

That article is ridiculous. You can see the writing is very amateur. And if the writer thinks the U of M is restrictive on LGBT, then he's one dumb dude. He's trying to associate state policies with the university. That's much different from the BYU issue.