(08-10-2016 03:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My wife is a teacher. You couldn't pay me enough to teach today.

The liberals want the parents to be able to walk all over you and the conservatives want to give you dumb kids and punish you for not turning them into geniuses.

yeah. I can't imagine who in their right mind would want to major in education coming right out of high school. we need some of our talent going to that sector and yet people are being actively discouraged not to by the sad state it is in.

It's a terrible job all around. I couldn't imagine doing it.

The kids suck, their parents suck, the people running the game suck, the test suck, the programs suck, the goals suck, the faux-accountability sucks.

Teachers have been turned into glorified babysitters.

I have said it many time on this board and I will repeat myself. There is no such thing as a decent public education in this country.

The entire system needs to be nuked and rebuilt from scratch at the local level.

oh boy do I agree with you. My g/f is ready to get out of the field completely. This will be her 10th year teaching and the only reason why she goes is because its a paycheck.

NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Right now my teaching team consists of myself and a science teacher. We don't have a math or ELA teacher and school resumes in less than two weeks. The options are few. It is entirely possible that we end up with two permanent substitutes for an extended period, maybe even all year. We could end up with a certified teacher that no other school system wants. Or we could luck up and get a hidden gem. I'm not encouraged.

(08-10-2016 03:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Teachers Leaving Kansas Or Quitting The Profession Jumps Dramatically

http://kcur.org/post/teachers-leaving-ka...y#stream/0

Quote:The report shows that 1,075 teachers left the profession last year, up from 669 four years ago. That's a 61 percent increase.

The number of teachers who are retiring has also been steadily increasing over the last four years. In 2012, 2,084 teachers retired. Last year that jumped to 2,693. Still that's a 22 percent hike.

McNiece told the board about a conversation he had with the chair of the Nebraska State Board of Education. "He wanted to say thank you to Kansas for sending so many teachers to Nebraska,” McNiece told his board colleagues. “Ouch. Big Ouch.”

The problem of teachers fleeing Kansas came to light a year ago when the Independence School District in Missouri bought two billboards touting open jobs in the district. Not only was there data on teachers leaving Kansas but data from the Missouri Department of Elementary and Secondary Education (DESE) that showed the number of license applications from teachers with a Kansas address had doubled since 2011.

It showed what the panel called a "greening" of the profession. Almost a quarter of all teachers in Kansas have less than four years experience and 40 percent have less than nine years in the classroom. The blue ribbon report also said that fewer students are majoring in education.

I'm sure some of our resident cons would try to spin this as a positive thing.

My wife was a public district special ed teacher for 20 years and jumped into sales in 2011. Glad she did...she's never looked back and would never go back. Lots jumped and retired then Its still going on.

She loved teaching but says she'd never do it again if she had it all to do over again. Loved the inner city kids she gave her life to 10 months a year but the libs that ran the union and the district administrators were hyper nutso and lining their own pockets to the detriment of the kids.

(08-10-2016 04:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Right now my teaching team consists of myself and a science teacher. We don't have a math or ELA teacher and school resumes in less than two weeks. The options are few. It is entirely possible that we end up with two permanent substitutes for an extended period, maybe even all year. We could end up with a certified teacher that no other school system wants. Or we could luck up and get a hidden gem. I'm not encouraged.

What do you teach dawg? My mom is elementary school

Young teachers are learning that their ability and drive means nothing. If an old hag or dumb*** dude has tenure on them, then those tenured people are golden and the teachers who are really doing their job gets kicked to the curb.

Change it so that teachers can be fired, and we can reward quality, and it will be the "in" profession.

(08-10-2016 04:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Right now my teaching team consists of myself and a science teacher. We don't have a math or ELA teacher and school resumes in less than two weeks. The options are few. It is entirely possible that we end up with two permanent substitutes for an extended period, maybe even all year. We could end up with a certified teacher that no other school system wants. Or we could luck up and get a hidden gem. I'm not encouraged.

What do you teach dawg? My mom is elementary school

8th graders, NC/US History, starting year 30

Quote:The number of teachers who are retiring has also been steadily increasing over the last four years. In 2012, 2,084 teachers retired. Last year that jumped to 2,693. Still that's a 22 percent hike.

My simple mind would suggest that maybe the 22% hike in teacher retirements means that 22% more teachers reached retirement age. Maybe I'm wrong.

(08-10-2016 04:56 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Right now my teaching team consists of myself and a science teacher. We don't have a math or ELA teacher and school resumes in less than two weeks. The options are few. It is entirely possible that we end up with two permanent substitutes for an extended period, maybe even all year. We could end up with a certified teacher that no other school system wants. Or we could luck up and get a hidden gem. I'm not encouraged.

What do you teach dawg? My mom is elementary school

8th graders, NC/US History, starting year 30

I had awesome history teachers in HS. Thought about doing it myself but I couldn't put up with low pay plus micromanagement.

(08-10-2016 04:56 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

Quote:The number of teachers who are retiring has also been steadily increasing over the last four years. In 2012, 2,084 teachers retired. Last year that jumped to 2,693. Still that's a 22 percent hike.

My simple mind would suggest that maybe the 22% hike in teacher retirements means that 22% more teachers reached retirement age. Maybe I'm wrong.

Lots of teachers continue beyond the minimum required for full retirement. Remember if you start at 22 you are only 52 when you reach the magic number. We need teachers to work 40 or more years. In order to offset the reduced numbers entering the profession there needs to be a strong effort to keep mid-tier teachers from changing professions and veteran teachers from getting out as soon as they are eligible.

(08-10-2016 05:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:56 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

Quote:The number of teachers who are retiring has also been steadily increasing over the last four years. In 2012, 2,084 teachers retired. Last year that jumped to 2,693. Still that's a 22 percent hike.

My simple mind would suggest that maybe the 22% hike in teacher retirements means that 22% more teachers reached retirement age. Maybe I'm wrong.

Lots of teachers continue beyond the minimum required for full retirement. Remember if you start at 22 you are only 52 when you reach the magic number. We need teachers to work 40 or more years. In order to offset the reduced numbers entering the profession there needs to be a strong effort to keep mid-tier teachers from changing professions and veteran teachers from getting out as soon as they are eligible.

Neither of which is happening.

Curious on your thoughts on charter schools since you are in the profession

(08-10-2016 05:02 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:56 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:50 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Right now my teaching team consists of myself and a science teacher. We don't have a math or ELA teacher and school resumes in less than two weeks. The options are few. It is entirely possible that we end up with two permanent substitutes for an extended period, maybe even all year. We could end up with a certified teacher that no other school system wants. Or we could luck up and get a hidden gem. I'm not encouraged.

What do you teach dawg? My mom is elementary school

8th graders, NC/US History, starting year 30

I had awesome history teachers in HS. Thought about doing it myself but I couldn't put up with low pay plus micromanagement.

I'm at the point in my career where they pretty much leave me alone to do my thing. As for salary, master's pay and national board certification have helped. I've, until my wife's health began failing, worked second jobs in the summer. I taught Driver's Education after school and in the summer for several years. I certainly haven't gotten wealthy but it is a rewarding career. I like working with the kids and enjoy the subject matter. There are plenty of problems that go with the job but that is true with anything.

(08-10-2016 05:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:56 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

Quote:The number of teachers who are retiring has also been steadily increasing over the last four years. In 2012, 2,084 teachers retired. Last year that jumped to 2,693. Still that's a 22 percent hike.

My simple mind would suggest that maybe the 22% hike in teacher retirements means that 22% more teachers reached retirement age. Maybe I'm wrong.

Lots of teachers continue beyond the minimum required for full retirement. Remember if you start at 22 you are only 52 when you reach the magic number. We need teachers to work 40 or more years. In order to offset the reduced numbers entering the profession there needs to be a strong effort to keep mid-tier teachers from changing professions and veteran teachers from getting out as soon as they are eligible.

So the problem is allowing teachers to retire after 30 years.

(08-10-2016 04:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Democrats had a stanglehold over NC forever.

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(08-10-2016 05:07 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 05:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:56 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  

Quote:The number of teachers who are retiring has also been steadily increasing over the last four years. In 2012, 2,084 teachers retired. Last year that jumped to 2,693. Still that's a 22 percent hike.

My simple mind would suggest that maybe the 22% hike in teacher retirements means that 22% more teachers reached retirement age. Maybe I'm wrong.

Lots of teachers continue beyond the minimum required for full retirement. Remember if you start at 22 you are only 52 when you reach the magic number. We need teachers to work 40 or more years. In order to offset the reduced numbers entering the profession there needs to be a strong effort to keep mid-tier teachers from changing professions and veteran teachers from getting out as soon as they are eligible.

Neither of which is happening.

Curious on your thoughts on charter schools since you are in the profession

Wow, now that is a can of worms. Charters are a mixed bag like traditional public, home school and private. Here in NC they aren't very well regulated and tend to be either very good or awful. An unintended consequence seems to be resegregation.

The original idea of creating schools where innovative ideas can be utilized without being hampered by regulations and then have those that work transferred to traditional public schools hasn't happened. Results vary from state to state but here in NC I don't think anything positive is being accomplished. The for profit companies hired to run some of the charters are very sketchy and the worst are the online schools. In short I think our tax dollars could be better utilized.

(08-10-2016 04:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yeah. I can't imagine who in their right mind would want to major in education coming right out of high school. we need some of our talent going to that sector and yet people are being actively discouraged not to by the sad state it is in.

It's a terrible job all around. I couldn't imagine doing it.

The kids suck, their parents suck, the people running the game suck, the test suck, the programs suck, the goals suck, the faux-accountability sucks.

Teachers have been turned into glorified babysitters.

I have said it many time on this board and I will repeat myself. There is no such thing as a decent public education in this country.

The entire system needs to be nuked and rebuilt from scratch at the local level.

I would disagree (slightly). The 1% of public schools in super rich suburban neighborhoods have their **** together.

I'd still disagree.

I went to a public high school in a very affluent neighborhood, top 25 in the nation.

It offered an atrocious education. I was not presented with any new information in that school until my senior year. We were learning in 6th and 7th grade of my private Irish school what they were teaching sophomores and juniors in a top flight public school in the U.S.

I can also say that my wife taught at what was ranked the #1 high school in the United States and having seen what they were expecting from those kids and how things were presented that it was pathetic.

There is no 1% quality public education. It's a myth.

I went to a public high school that was highly ranked and I felt the education was phenomenal. can't speak for the experience of others on here though.

But, you'd have to concede, what did you have to compare it to?

Even if you did have a point of reference most Americans saying they got a great public K-12 education don't have one and so can't reasonably speak to the quality of education they received. They just know it's better than bad. But, better is not necessarily good.

(08-10-2016 05:33 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 04:24 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  NC is seeing the same problems. There is a teacher shortage, especially in the less metro areas. Enrollment in the education departments of the UNC system are down 30-40 percent. There is little incentive to start a career here, remain in the field, or work beyond the years needed to retire. We are ranked at or near the bottom in salary, per pupil spending, and work environment.

Democrats had a stanglehold over NC forever.

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That is true. The Democrats' record for education was certainly a mixed bag. From the 1990s to around 2005 saw a lot of improvement under the Democrats. Of course the Republicans have been in control since 2011 and the last five years have been very bad. The changes they have initiated made the teacher shortage worse.

As soon as my wife was able to retire she did. She got fed up with the system, parents and their kids. I encouraged her to do so as she would come home stressed as heck. She was afraid that we would not make it economically but I knew better because I used to support a family of four with not even half of what we get now from retirement. All's well now but we have a new baby in the family. Her mother who is 86. It is true, when you age you go back to being a baby. Good thing we don't have to change diapers. Yet.

But, I love my MIL as she's always been a good lady and I didn't want her suffering in her last years. She's happy and I'm happy that she's happy. My wife is too because at first my MIL didn't want to live with us but God works in mysterious ways and she changed her mind.

(08-10-2016 03:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I would disagree (slightly). The 1% of public schools in super rich suburban neighborhoods have their **** together.

A lot of that is because the parents have it together.


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(08-10-2016 03:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My wife is a teacher. You couldn't pay me enough to teach today.

The liberals want the parents to be able to walk all over you and the conservatives want to give you dumb kids and punish you for not turning them into geniuses.

yeah. I can't imagine who in their right mind would want to major in education coming right out of high school. we need some of our talent going to that sector and yet people are being actively discouraged not to by the sad state it is in.

It's a terrible job all around. I couldn't imagine doing it.

The kids suck, their parents suck, the people running the game suck, the test suck, the programs suck, the goals suck, the faux-accountability sucks.

Teachers have been turned into glorified babysitters.

I have said it many time on this board and I will repeat myself. There is no such thing as a decent public education in this country.

The entire system needs to be nuked and rebuilt from scratch at the local level.

I would disagree (slightly). The 1% of public schools in super rich suburban neighborhoods have their **** together.

I'd still disagree.

I went to a public high school in a very affluent neighborhood, top 25 in the nation.

It offered an atrocious education. I was not presented with any new information in that school until my senior year. We were learning in 6th and 7th grade of my private Irish school what they were teaching sophomores and juniors in a top flight public school in the U.S.

I can also say that my wife taught at what was ranked the #1 high school in the United States and having seen what they were expecting from those kids and how things were presented that it was pathetic.

There is no 1% quality public education. It's a myth.

How long did you live in Ireland? I dont doubt you but Im not sure private school in Ireland vs public school in the US is a good comparison.

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(08-10-2016 06:15 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 03:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yeah. I can't imagine who in their right mind would want to major in education coming right out of high school. we need some of our talent going to that sector and yet people are being actively discouraged not to by the sad state it is in.

It's a terrible job all around. I couldn't imagine doing it.

The kids suck, their parents suck, the people running the game suck, the test suck, the programs suck, the goals suck, the faux-accountability sucks.

Teachers have been turned into glorified babysitters.

I have said it many time on this board and I will repeat myself. There is no such thing as a decent public education in this country.

The entire system needs to be nuked and rebuilt from scratch at the local level.

I would disagree (slightly). The 1% of public schools in super rich suburban neighborhoods have their **** together.

I'd still disagree.

I went to a public high school in a very affluent neighborhood, top 25 in the nation.

It offered an atrocious education. I was not presented with any new information in that school until my senior year. We were learning in 6th and 7th grade of my private Irish school what they were teaching sophomores and juniors in a top flight public school in the U.S.

I can also say that my wife taught at what was ranked the #1 high school in the United States and having seen what they were expecting from those kids and how things were presented that it was pathetic.

There is no 1% quality public education. It's a myth.

How long did you live in Ireland? I dont doubt you but Im not sure private school in Ireland vs public school in the US is a good comparison.

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3rd to 8th grade

It's a great comparison though. It was a true high quality education. And, even though it had a lot of wealthy Irish kids whose parents owned businesses etc. it's facilities and such would be considered almost decrepit by American standards. Hell, I remember when CBC added a canteen and how awesome everybody thought that was.