(08-10-2016 11:30 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  Well at the time they were removed, as I recall Temple was the only member left who was not a full member. All of the other former football-only programs were full members, and UConn's football team was about to join the football conference. It left only ND and Temple who were not full members in all sports they sponsored at the Big East level.

On top of that, it is said the then president of Temple actually wanted this to happen, as a way to deemphasize sports. So while they were booted, it was not just for lack of success. It was for lack of support, pissing off others who claimed they were just collecting a check, and being located only a few miles from another conference member who was not overly interested in having them in the conference anyway.

We didn't get kicked out for being lousy. We got kicked out for not supporting our football program, and allocating the money from football to basketball. President Adamany wanted us to drop football. It took a long time for us to get the administrative support we currently have.

I think Temple being a high-major G5 program is a great thing. I was rooting for you guys against Notre Dame. Just didn't quite get it done.

Maybe there will be a time and place for you to squeak into the P5, one day.

(08-10-2016 10:38 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  Tulane left willingly because they felt they were becoming a more national level brand (rather than regional) and so they wanted to copy the Notre Dame model of scheduling teams from around the country as a way to grow their brand and attract students from all across the country

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1...0348&hl=en

Obviously a move Tulane probably still regrets

Wow. Never realized that.

(08-15-2016 11:27 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I think Temple being a high-major G5 program is a great thing. I was rooting for you guys against Notre Dame. Just didn't quite get it done.

Maybe there will be a time and place for you to squeak into the P5, one day.

That is the goal. I'm not panicking if it doesn't happen now. The last wave of conference realignment is far from over.

(08-12-2016 09:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You never know, with Idaho.

Maybe if it had stayed a PAC school, it would've had somewhat similar success that Boise enjoys now??


There are other examples of small P5 schools that have some success against larger P5 schools. Usually private schools, though.

Tough thing for Idaho was that Washington decided to build their Ag school right across the border from Idaho's.

I actually think WSU being nearby has helped Idaho. That region is so small that the addition of WSU probably significantly increased the local population. It also offers great opportunities for both collaborations and rivalries.

No way...other than Idaho using Wazzu's stadium to become D-I. It's not much different than Eastern Michigan being near Michigan or Texas State and UTSA being near Texas. Luckily Wazzu is not nearly as big as those two but Idaho isn't large themselves and is now getting humilated in every way by an urban commutter school down state.

Idaho, hypothetically, wouldn't need a whole lot of people nearby just like most state flagships (in places like Tuscaloosa, Oxford, Gainesville, Knoxville, State College, etc...). Being named after the state, it should control the entire state just like the schools in those locales plus areas in the adjacenet states. Idaho at its best should have a strong alumni contingent as far away as places like Billings, Seattle, Vancouver (both) and Portland.

Penn State is not the state flagship.

Is it Temple? Without copping out (e.g. Google) I thought Penn was private? Regardless, my point stands. Penn. State is still similar to schools named directly after their state.

(08-15-2016 10:25 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Is it Temple? Without copping out (e.g. Google) I thought Penn was private? Regardless, my point stands. Penn. State is still similar to schools named directly after their state.

Penn State is the Land Grant in Pennsylvania.

Like a lot of Northeastern Universities with private Universities already well entrenched by the time that states started subsidizing state universities as a tool of economic development, it's more of a controversial question which University is "the" "flagship" University in Pennsylvania.

Penn St is unquestionably the flagship of all the universities that receive some level of state funding in PA. And yes, I realize Pitt, Temple and Penn St are weird hybrids.

Flagship in the Northeast doesn't mean the same as it does in the rest of the country.

UMass is much smaller than a 'solo' flagship for a well educated state of 6+ million people should be. NH, Maine, VT, URI really don't have the same pull as peers of similarly sized states.

Pennsylvania is really odd too.

U of Wyo. is far more influential than U of Del. is. And its not just because Wyo. is FBS. UND or NDSU carry far more weight than Maine or UNH do in their states.

(08-16-2016 09:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Penn St is unquestionably the flagship of all the universities that receive some level of state funding in PA. And yes, I realize Pitt, Temple and Penn St are weird hybrids.

It's not, because there is no designated flagship. If you want to say in your opinion it is, that's your right, but all three are major players in all academic areas.

(08-16-2016 09:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Flagship in the Northeast doesn't mean the same as it does in the rest of the country.

UMass is much smaller than a 'solo' flagship for a well educated state of 6+ million people should be. NH, Maine, VT, URI really don't have the same pull as peers of similarly sized states.

In the Northeast, there is a stigma attached to attending a public university. In Middle America, people are accustomed to great public universities, which were often among the first universities established in these places. In the Northeast, the old great universities are private; most of the public universities came along much later.

Doesn't matter. Flagship means the top public university in the state. That's obviously Penn St. Pitt and Temple are fine universities, but both aren't even named for the state.

In terms of research numbers, Pitt very competitive with Penn St. Temple not close to either.

"Academics" means whatever you want it to mean.

(08-16-2016 09:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Flagship in the Northeast doesn't mean the same as it does in the rest of the country.

UMass is much smaller than a 'solo' flagship for a well educated state of 6+ million people should be. NH, Maine, VT, URI really don't have the same pull as peers of similarly sized states.

Pennsylvania is really odd too.

U of Wyo. is far more influential than U of Del. is. And its not just because Wyo. is FBS. UND or NDSU carry far more weight than Maine or UNH do in their states.

UMass has 28,000 students. Smaller school?

(08-16-2016 11:13 AM)chess Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 09:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Flagship in the Northeast doesn't mean the same as it does in the rest of the country.

UMass is much smaller than a 'solo' flagship for a well educated state of 6+ million people should be. NH, Maine, VT, URI really don't have the same pull as peers of similarly sized states.

Pennsylvania is really odd too.

U of Wyo. is far more influential than U of Del. is. And its not just because Wyo. is FBS. UND or NDSU carry far more weight than Maine or UNH do in their states.

UMass has 28,000 students. Smaller school?

Than a solo flagship in a state with 6+ million people? Yep. Heck Alabama has 2 million less people and has 2 public residential schools with more people. And that in a state where, lets face it (and I'm from there), the populace isn't as well educated.

(08-16-2016 11:23 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 11:13 AM)chess Wrote:  

(08-16-2016 09:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Flagship in the Northeast doesn't mean the same as it does in the rest of the country.

UMass is much smaller than a 'solo' flagship for a well educated state of 6+ million people should be. NH, Maine, VT, URI really don't have the same pull as peers of similarly sized states.

Pennsylvania is really odd too.

U of Wyo. is far more influential than U of Del. is. And its not just because Wyo. is FBS. UND or NDSU carry far more weight than Maine or UNH do in their states.

UMass has 28,000 students. Smaller school?

Than a solo flagship in a state with 6+ million people? Yep. Heck Alabama has 2 million less people and has 2 public residential schools with more people. And that in a state where, lets face it (and I'm from there), the populace isn't as well educated.

Yes, but they're paying for the billion-dollar bad-debt boondoggle at the University of Texas-Tuscaloosa with out-of-state students - over half of them:

http://www.cw.ua.edu/article/2014/09/ala...rity-at-ua

(08-16-2016 11:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Doesn't matter. Flagship means the top public university in the state. That's obviously Penn St. Pitt and Temple are fine universities, but both aren't even named for the state.

In terms of research numbers, Pitt very competitive with Penn St. Temple not close to either.

"Academics" means whatever you want it to mean.

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