EDIT: What examples are there of leagues kicking out full members?

The Big East Football Conference booted Temple in 2004 or so.
Sun Belt is dumping their football-onlies.

I'm not counting conference-shuffles where schools were left behind in a defunct conference--Rice, SMU and TCU when the SWC dissolved, VCU when the Metro died, etc.

The Sun Belt kicked out New Orleans in 1980 for not really having a Division I gym.

I think C-USA 2.0 changed their bylaws to require football, which forced out SLU and UNC-Charlotte.

People suggest "League A should just kick Member Z out!" as if it's something that ever really happens.

I think I missed the question.

Are you asking for people to give other examples of where they think this happened? Or are you asking for people to give their opinions on which conferences they think should kick someone out for poor performance, and which team?

Temple got booted by the Big East.

(08-10-2016 10:12 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  I think I missed the question.

Are you asking for people to give other examples of where they think this happened?

Yes. Plenty of people on the board know stuff I don't, about leagues I don't know the history of, etc.

The Sun Belt effectively booted UTPA for a poor performance, low funding, and a bizzare situation where the school asked the NCAA to give them the death penalty in a sport to avoid having to pay a coach a contractual buyout. UTPA left on their own, hours before they were going to be booted.

Did Tulane leave the SEC willingly, or was it pushed out? Similar for Idaho and the PCC?

Well, probably not what you were looking for -- and I'm not sure if it technically fits the bill -- but one way or another, the Summit League "got rid of" Chicago State, which is an institution on the brink of failure in more aspects than just athletics.

Tulane left willingly because they felt they were becoming a more national level brand (rather than regional) and so they wanted to copy the Notre Dame model of scheduling teams from around the country as a way to grow their brand and attract students from all across the country

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1...0348&hl=en

Obviously a move Tulane probably still regrets

GA Tech left the SEC to go independent. They thought they were a national program at the time, like ND, not regional. Hindsight 20/20 - that was a big mistake. It has worked out ok now; however.

Heh, I guess you could say the SoCon (Southern Conference) got rid of all those pesky schools that later went on to form the current day SEC and ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_C...p_timeline

(08-10-2016 10:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Heh, I guess you could say the SoCon (Southern Conference) got rid of all those pesky schools that later went on to form the current day SEC and ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_C...p_timeline

In the 50's most of the schools in the pre-expansion ACC left including USC to form the ACC and left WVU behind with what now are D2 & D3 schools.

(08-10-2016 10:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The Sun Belt effectively booted UTPA for a poor performance, low funding, and a bizzare situation where the school asked the NCAA to give them the death penalty in a sport to avoid having to pay a coach a contractual buyout. UTPA left on their own, hours before they were going to be booted.

Looks like around 1998, from googling.

(08-10-2016 10:37 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, probably not what you were looking for -- and I'm not sure if it technically fits the bill -- but one way or another, the Summit League "got rid of" Chicago State, which is an institution on the brink of failure in more aspects than just athletics.

2006.

This is exactly the sort of thing I was looking for. Gives an idea of just how bad things have to be before a league gives a school the boot.

It has happened but it is very rare. Chicago decided to focus more on academics than athletics. Chicago use to be a powerful football school way back in the day.

(08-10-2016 10:54 AM)Tigeer Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 10:48 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Heh, I guess you could say the SoCon (Southern Conference) got rid of all those pesky schools that later went on to form the current day SEC and ACC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_C...p_timeline

In the 50's most of the schools in the pre-expansion ACC left including USC to form the ACC and left WVU behind with what now are D2 & D3 schools.

I'm thinking of what someone said in another thread "The A-10 should get rid of their dead weight like LaSalle, Fordham, Duquesne." The SEC and ACC splitting off was not the SoCon getting rid of dead weight.

(And GW was one of the left-behind SoCon schools with WVU, and we're still D-I. Undefeated in football since 1960-something!)

Yeah I know it wasn't the SoCon getting rid of those schools. I guess I should've put an emoticon for the sarcasm meters.

(08-10-2016 10:58 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Yeah I know it wasn't the SoCon getting rid of those schools. I guess I should've put an emoticon for the sarcasm meters.

I was mainly salty about GW being ignored. We're still D-I, dammit! GW has done more in the NCAAs than St Johns has since I graduated or enrolled. (1991-95)

Tigeer,

Yeah, West Virginia and Virginia Tech got somewhat screwed over by the ACC schools ditching them.


Bragg,

Well three of that 1936 block of schools have ended up in the A-10: GW, Richmond and Davidson. Maybe William&Mary will someday join, if the CAA ever goes down in flames. Citadel and Furman are SoCon lifers.

I'm curious what David St thinks of all this.......

I think that "booted out" needs to be clarified. The Sunbelt did not "boot out" NMSU or Idaho ... they signed an affiliation agreement with a supermajority required to renew it, and there was not a supermajority for either, so they were not renewed.

Lots of affiliation agreements end with the affiliate not getting renewed. That's not really the same as booting out a full member. The MAC exercised an option to terminate UMass's FB only affiliation agreement, and UMass had the option to join all sports if they wished ... which they did not exercise. The MAC also did not renew one of their soccer affiliates, who was one of the Div3 + 1 Div1 sport schools, saying they did not want to have multidivisional schools anymore.

UC left the MAC early on (1953) when the MAC increased the number of required conference games to five. NIU left the MAC in 1986, but after bouncing around for a while decided to rejoin.

The only full member that the MAC has "booted out" in its 70 year history was Marshall in 1969, for NCAA violations. So that was more for being an ineffective cheater (that is, getting caught at cheating) than for being lousy.

Temple was the only associate member of the Big East. All the other football members had full status. So not even Temple 2004 should count as an example.