When is the A10 TV deal up for renegotiation? I light of what we just saw from C-USA and NBCSN abandoning the CAA, what do you expect from the next A10 TV deal? I'd think drastic reductions. Didn't they lose some members as well since last deal was signed? (Butler, Xavier?)

John Ourand tweet from 2012

Deal started in 2013-14, runs for 8 years, so through 2020-21.
A-10 had just lost Temple and added VCU and Butler, has since lost Xavier and Butler. I think that Charlotte had already announced their departure to CUSA, and they've picked up Davidson and George Mason since then.

They've also picked up an ASN deal.
http://www.atlantic10.com/ViewArticle.db...=210054498

I expect that the next deal may or may not include coverage guarantees, but will be for zero dollars.

(08-08-2016 10:17 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  When is the A10 TV deal up for renegotiation? I light of what we just saw from C-USA and NBCSN abandoning the CAA, what do you expect from the next A10 TV deal? I'd think drastic reductions. Didn't they lose some members as well since last deal was signed? (Butler, Xavier?)

I don't think the CAA deal has any bearing on what happens to the A10. The CAA lost the teams that provided any value and interest. It's not hard to see why NBCSN decided to dump a one bid conference. The value of the current contract for the A10 isn't the money as much as it is the exposure anyway.

I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

It was a good deal for 5 Million with no football and lots of national exposure, especially compared to CUSA with football.
A10 teams that have been in the big dance in the last 5 years earn with credits close to 1 million and up. Note this does include the departed schools NCAA credits. 49ers had none Butler had 1, and X had the most, but don't remember Temples count.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketba...pn-cbs-nbc

(08-08-2016 12:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

I don't see the Big East getting offered less money. At worst they get offered the same amount. They still bring in quality content and get big name schools on their OOC schedules. If they keep winning NC's it'll be hard to take them off your winter TV schedules.

(08-08-2016 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 12:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

I don't see the Big East getting offered less money. At worst they get offered the same amount. They still bring in quality content and get big name schools on their OOC schedules. If they keep winning NC's it'll be hard to take them off your winter TV schedules.

10 years is a long time. The market could shift. It's very possible that, when the BE-Fox deal is done, *everybody* gets less money in the next round (excepting obviously contracts that don't come up for 20 years).

But yes, we are who we are and we're worth what we're worth. (ARe you sure you're a Rutgers fan? )

(08-08-2016 04:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 12:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

I don't see the Big East getting offered less money. At worst they get offered the same amount. They still bring in quality content and get big name schools on their OOC schedules. If they keep winning NC's it'll be hard to take them off your winter TV schedules.

10 years is a long time. The market could shift. It's very possible that, when the BE-Fox deal is done, *everybody* gets less money in the next round (excepting obviously contracts that don't come up for 20 years).

But yes, we are who we are and we're worth what we're worth. (ARe you sure you're a Rutgers fan? )

Grew up in the northeast watching big east basketball and then watching all those schools kick rutgers butt. hahaha

Right after college football come college basketball in my heart

(08-08-2016 04:57 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 04:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 12:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

I don't see the Big East getting offered less money. At worst they get offered the same amount. They still bring in quality content and get big name schools on their OOC schedules. If they keep winning NC's it'll be hard to take them off your winter TV schedules.

10 years is a long time. The market could shift. It's very possible that, when the BE-Fox deal is done, *everybody* gets less money in the next round (excepting obviously contracts that don't come up for 20 years).

But yes, we are who we are and we're worth what we're worth. (ARe you sure you're a Rutgers fan? )

Grew up in the northeast watching big east basketball and then watching all those schools kick rutgers butt. hahaha

Right after college football come college basketball in my heart

Guess you're not old enough to remember when the A10 was formed.
Duquesne Dukes
George Washington Colonials
Massachusetts Minutemen
Pennsylvania State Nittany Lions
Pittsburgh Panthers
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
Villanova Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers

(08-08-2016 09:04 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 04:57 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 04:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 12:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

I don't see the Big East getting offered less money. At worst they get offered the same amount. They still bring in quality content and get big name schools on their OOC schedules. If they keep winning NC's it'll be hard to take them off your winter TV schedules.

10 years is a long time. The market could shift. It's very possible that, when the BE-Fox deal is done, *everybody* gets less money in the next round (excepting obviously contracts that don't come up for 20 years).

But yes, we are who we are and we're worth what we're worth. (ARe you sure you're a Rutgers fan? )

Grew up in the northeast watching big east basketball and then watching all those schools kick rutgers butt. hahaha

Right after college football come college basketball in my heart

Guess you're not old enough to remember when the A10 was formed.
Duquesne Dukes
George Washington Colonials
Massachusetts Minutemen
Pennsylvania State Nittany Lions
Pittsburgh Panthers
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
Villanova Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers

Nope, I grew up in the BE era.

(08-08-2016 09:04 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 04:57 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 04:11 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 03:39 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 12:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't have any particular inside information. My expectation is that the money for all basketball inventories will fall, and that will include the A-10. And the A-10 is concentrated in 'must take' highly populated areas. So is the Big East. As markets become less important, both the A-10 and Big East will probably lose money.

The A-10 brings a valuable inventory of games and the league has real support. But I forecast that the total pool available for broadcast rights will fall.

I don't see the Big East getting offered less money. At worst they get offered the same amount. They still bring in quality content and get big name schools on their OOC schedules. If they keep winning NC's it'll be hard to take them off your winter TV schedules.

10 years is a long time. The market could shift. It's very possible that, when the BE-Fox deal is done, *everybody* gets less money in the next round (excepting obviously contracts that don't come up for 20 years).

But yes, we are who we are and we're worth what we're worth. (ARe you sure you're a Rutgers fan? )

Grew up in the northeast watching big east basketball and then watching all those schools kick rutgers butt. hahaha

Right after college football come college basketball in my heart

Guess you're not old enough to remember when the A10 was formed.
Duquesne Dukes
George Washington Colonials
Massachusetts Minutemen
Pennsylvania State Nittany Lions
Pittsburgh Panthers
Rutgers Scarlet Knights
Villanova Wildcats
West Virginia Mountaineers

The funny thing is despite those big budget football schools the A10 of back then wasn't as good as the A10 of today.

The A10 started taking off with the UMass-Temple rivalry and then promptly added Xavier just as they were taking flight. Earned a national TV deal to boost recruiting for the other programs.

I think the A10 can get a good deal. CBS Sports Network will want the inventory and I'm sure ESPN would be willing to pick up a certain amount of games, now NBCSN may get out of the college game all together until the American and Mountain West contracts come up.

(08-09-2016 01:08 AM)Realignment Wrote:  I think the A10 can get a good deal. CBS Sports Network will want the inventory and I'm sure ESPN would be willing to pick up a certain amount of games, now NBCSN may get out of the college game all together until the American and Mountain West contracts come up.

Oh the deal will probably be 'good', but in an environment of lower money for athletics in general and college basketball in particular, its likely that tomorrow's 'good' deal might be less than today's 'unsustainable' deal. That isn't a dig on the A-10, but on all basketball products, including the P5.

(08-09-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:08 AM)Realignment Wrote:  I think the A10 can get a good deal. CBS Sports Network will want the inventory and I'm sure ESPN would be willing to pick up a certain amount of games, now NBCSN may get out of the college game all together until the American and Mountain West contracts come up.

Oh the deal will probably be 'good', but in an environment of lower money for athletics in general and college basketball in particular, its likely that tomorrow's 'good' deal might be less than today's 'unsustainable' deal. That isn't a dig on the A-10, but on all basketball products, including the P5.

I don't know why you think basketball is going to get less money. The sport is becoming more and more popular around the world and with all the news about concussions and the fact that NBA players make a heck of a lot more money than NFL players you'll see kids steering more and more towards BBall. That wont happen over night but BBall is trending up and FB is the one with the uncertain future. That TV money is going to pop and it's not the BBall thats going to feel it, its the FB programs.

Basketball does not draw the tv audience like football does. The money maker is football.

(08-09-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:08 AM)Realignment Wrote:  I think the A10 can get a good deal. CBS Sports Network will want the inventory and I'm sure ESPN would be willing to pick up a certain amount of games, now NBCSN may get out of the college game all together until the American and Mountain West contracts come up.

Oh the deal will probably be 'good', but in an environment of lower money for athletics in general and college basketball in particular, its likely that tomorrow's 'good' deal might be less than today's 'unsustainable' deal. That isn't a dig on the A-10, but on all basketball products, including the P5.

Non power leagues are getting the shaft when it comes to TV.

The MWC, MAC, AAC have at least some product leverage as G5 conferences with unique markets/timeslots the fill.

There was a point in time where the A10 was in the same tier of quality as the BE in basketball. Back when the BE had WVU, Rutgers, VT, Miami who were not traditional BB programs and the A10 had Xavier, Dayton, Temple, UMass, GW, St. Joes all playing good ball. Late 90's maybe and it was enough for the A10 to earn a 10 million per year deal at one point.

The gap between the BE and the A10 is now so great that the A10 is solidly in the second tier. That is why it is easy to imagine them taking a reduced deal just to keep a good presence on TV. 1 million per year for example.

(08-09-2016 04:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Basketball does not draw the tv audience like football does. The money maker is football.

It's a factor of rank.

1) P5
2) Power hoops (BE)
3) G5 conferences
4) A10, MVC, WCC
5) FCS conferences

The ceiling right now for a non-FBS basketball conference is a deal where there is some national exposure during the regular season and conference tourney with a drop of money.

FCS conferences have it worst as they are almost completely resigned to regional TV.

College basketball is still live programming that a game can virtually be had every night of the week in various time slots. It's still going to be a valuable property. Its extremely value for the conference network programming. ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, CBSN all need winter programming and college basketball fills those slots perfectly. Its also a sport that the heavily populated regions of the Northeast and Midwest watch.

(08-09-2016 08:45 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  College basketball is still live programming that a game can virtually be had every night of the week in various time slots. It's still going to be a valuable property. Its extremely value for the conference network programming. ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, FS1, CBSN all need winter programming and college basketball fills those slots perfectly. Its also a sport that the heavily populated regions of the Northeast and Midwest watch.

I agree. Why do so many other people in this thread think college basketball money will be smaller?

College basketball attendance per game is up 15% since 2000, and that's after adding almost 30 bottom feeder programs. That's a lot more growth than football.

(08-09-2016 08:18 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 10:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 01:08 AM)Realignment Wrote:  I think the A10 can get a good deal. CBS Sports Network will want the inventory and I'm sure ESPN would be willing to pick up a certain amount of games, now NBCSN may get out of the college game all together until the American and Mountain West contracts come up.

Oh the deal will probably be 'good', but in an environment of lower money for athletics in general and college basketball in particular, its likely that tomorrow's 'good' deal might be less than today's 'unsustainable' deal. That isn't a dig on the A-10, but on all basketball products, including the P5.

Non power leagues are getting the shaft when it comes to TV.

The MWC, MAC, AAC have at least some product leverage as G5 conferences with unique markets/timeslots the fill.

There was a point in time where the A10 was in the same tier of quality as the BE in basketball. Back when the BE had WVU, Rutgers, VT, Miami who were not traditional BB programs and the A10 had Xavier, Dayton, Temple, UMass, GW, St. Joes all playing good ball. Late 90's maybe and it was enough for the A10 to earn a 10 million per year deal at one point.

The gap between the BE and the A10 is now so great that the A10 is solidly in the second tier. That is why it is easy to imagine them taking a reduced deal just to keep a good presence on TV. 1 million per year for example.

The A-10 still has star power and is a better conference than in many years when it had Xavier and Temple in it.

Last year the BE had a great year. Two years ago, not so much. Overall, the BE is better.