(08-07-2016 09:49 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  This slamming of Memphis and UH is beyond stupid. Somebody be the bigger man/woman.

I'm not slamming Memphis, and I know this guy doesn't represent your fanbase as a whole.

I just can't help but stare at a train wreck.

(08-07-2016 09:54 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:49 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  This slamming of Memphis and UH is beyond stupid. Somebody be the bigger man/woman.

I'm not slamming Memphis, and I know this guy doesn't represent your fanbase as a whole.

I just can't help but stare at a train wreck.

The general thought is they are going to 4. The general 4 teams mentioned being floated around are Cincy, Memphis, Houston, and BYU. Both our teams win in the end. Let's just hope the reports are accurate and the Big 12 gets this over with. The click bait articles and tweets are beyond annoying at this point

Cheers

(08-07-2016 09:53 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:52 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:49 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  This slamming of Memphis and UH is beyond stupid. Somebody be the bigger man/woman.

Its only stupid because he is slamming UH with fabricated and skewed facts.

Be the bigger person and ignore it then. You know it isn't true and anyone who looks into it will know it isn't true.

Im sorry it's just hard to ignore a train wreck.... Like the other guy said we know he doesn't represent y'all fanbase. I will personally attest most of the memphis fans on here are very classy. The ones i met at the UH game were very classy.

Its just hard for me not to defend my school against blatant incorrect facts. But thats the homerism in me.

(08-07-2016 09:58 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:54 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:49 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  This slamming of Memphis and UH is beyond stupid. Somebody be the bigger man/woman.

I'm not slamming Memphis, and I know this guy doesn't represent your fanbase as a whole.

I just can't help but stare at a train wreck.

The general thought is they are going to 4. The general 4 teams mentioned being floated around are Vincy, Memphis, Houston, and BYU. Both are teams win in the end. Let's just hope the reports are accurate and the Big 12 gets this over with. The click bait articles and tweets are beyond annoying at this point

Cheers

Agree ill be very happy for memphis if they get in. I too am very ready for this to be over.

(08-07-2016 09:58 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:53 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:52 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:49 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  This slamming of Memphis and UH is beyond stupid. Somebody be the bigger man/woman.

Its only stupid because he is slamming UH with fabricated and skewed facts.

Be the bigger person and ignore it then. You know it isn't true and anyone who looks into it will know it isn't true.

Im sorry it's just hard to ignore a train wreck.... Like the other guy said we know he doesn't represent y'all fanbase. I will personally attest most of the memphis fans on here are very classy. The ones i met at the UH game were very classy.

Its just hard for me not to defend my school against blatant incorrect facts. But thats the homerism in me.

Understood

(08-07-2016 09:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:50 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  There was 107k when we played there in 1998.....

Yay!!!!!!!!

There was 105k in The Big House when we played there......

Hip Hip Hooray!!!!

We beat Arizona St. 1 year after this Dome opened......



WooHoo!!!!!!

Yup obviously they were all there because of UH and not to support their school.

I think what he was getting at is (and you may agree or disagree that this is the case), If Tennessee has 107,541 seats (or whatever it is), and the only hard sellout ever was against Memphis, and not against Alabama, or Florida, or any of those other P5 regulars that visit Neiland Stadium, then the fact that Memphis was the visiting team must have been the difference maker to generate a hard sellout. Whether it was EXTRA Memphis fans that drove the 6 1/2 hours to fill all of those empty seats usually left unfilled by Florida or Alabama fans, or it was every living soul who lives in Knoxville who could actually afford a ticket finally decided to get out of the trailer "cuz they just knew Memphis was gonna get stomped, an it was gonna be glorious rubbing it in those West Tn. faces," is really immaterial. The point is, the Memphis game generated a sellout. So the fact must be - Memphis is NOT some buy-game like hiring some D1-aa to come to town for a check, but only half the stands are filled because we are a forgone conclusion victory that some accuse us of being. No, we are worth watching.

I am not trying to convince you guys of all that above^^^. I am just pointing out what Atlanta's point is a little more clearly. It makes since if you think about it.

But I will fully admit, our fan base has a lot of growing up to do when it comes to attendance. We will NOT fill 60,000 seats for the Southeast Missouri State opener on the 3rd, and that is unacceptable. We will have a respectable showing. Probably 50,000. But it will be too hot for some. It will not be at the right time of day for some. It will not be BASKETBALL for some. etc. etc. etc.

But in the end, we suffer from something only Houston can really relate to. And it can and will be fixed if we can get into a P5 like the BigXII. That is peer pressure. A great many people in this town will not be fans of Memphis because they work in offices filled with SEC fans. I will say, this has started to change over the past 10 years (since DeAngelo). But there is still a great shame in being a fan of Memphis within this town because of the conference they are in, or should I say the conference they are NOT in. Because when the subject around the water cooler is college football, if your team cannot compete for a NC, "you are wasting your time and money." If you aren't a fan of "ah-by-God-SEC-team", you are looked down upon like a little brother.

The funny thing is 80% of these SEC homers around here have either not gone to any SEC school, or actually DID got to Memphis, but wore their crap Prison-Orange euy-tay or Ole-miss sweatshirts to class. It is very simple. If Memphis is a member of a big-time conference, just the same as Houston, people would not be ashamed to be fans. Hell, I know a guy... BIG UT fan. Never set foot in a college classroom. Probably barely made it out of high school.

"Hey, Rodney. You a big Vol fan?"
"yep."
"You must have had a great college experience in Knoxville."
"Naw, I never went to college."
"So...what, you grew up in East TN?"
"Nope! Born and raised in Memphis."
"Oh, well, so I guess your parents are from there?"
"Nope. They're from here too."
Okay... so do you enjoy going to Knoxville for games? That seems like a long drive..."
"Naw, I've never been. Just watch um on TV, and wear my TN gear!"
"So, let me get this straight... You grew up in a town where there is a university that has been playing D1-a football since before you were born, yet you chose to support a team from a school FOUR HUNDRED MILES AWAY.... 400... that you have NEVER set foot on? Why?
"Because Tennessee is in the SEC. Memphis plays in (at that time) C-USA. If you're not in a BCS league, you ain't shetttt."

I know almost all of our conference brethren can relate to that on a small scale, but believe me, in Memphis, it is worse. The only other situation I can see being close to equal us is Houston. Memphis battles TN, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, and even Kentucky for what I like to call "sidewalk graduates" - the guy I described above.

But as I said, we are making headway. All we need is a legit conference to turn the tide.

Y'all have your T-Shirt UT fans too? Funny.

(08-07-2016 11:02 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:50 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  There was 107k when we played there in 1998.....

Yay!!!!!!!!

There was 105k in The Big House when we played there......

Hip Hip Hooray!!!!

We beat Arizona St. 1 year after this Dome opened......



WooHoo!!!!!!

Yup obviously they were all there because of UH and not to support their school.

I think what he was getting at is (and you may agree or disagree that this is the case), If Tennessee has 107,541 seats (or whatever it is), and the only hard sellout ever was against Memphis, and not against Alabama, or Florida, or any of those other P5 regulars that visit Neiland Stadium, then the fact that Memphis was the visiting team must have been the difference maker to generate a hard sellout. Whether it was EXTRA Memphis fans that drove the 6 1/2 hours to fill all of those empty seats usually left unfilled by Florida or Alabama fans, or it was every living soul who lives in Knoxville who could actually afford a ticket finally decided to get out of the trailer "cuz they just knew Memphis was gonna get stomped, an it was gonna be glorious rubbing it in those West Tn. faces," is really immaterial. The point is, the Memphis game generated a sellout. So the fact must be - Memphis is NOT some buy-game like hiring some D1-aa to come to town for a check, but only half the stands are filled because we are a forgone conclusion victory that some accuse us of being. No, we are worth watching.

I am not trying to convince you guys of all that above^^^. I am just pointing out what Atlanta's point is a little more clearly. It makes since if you think about it.

But I will fully admit, our fan base has a lot of growing up to do when it comes to attendance. We will NOT fill 60,000 seats for the Southeast Missouri State opener on the 3rd, and that is unacceptable. We will have a respectable showing. Probably 50,000. But it will be too hot for some. It will not be at the right time of day for some. It will not be BASKETBALL for some. etc. etc. etc.

But in the end, we suffer from something only Houston can really relate to. And it can and will be fixed if we can get into a P5 like the BigXII. That is peer pressure. A great many people in this town will not be fans of Memphis because they work in offices filled with SEC fans. I will say, this has started to change over the past 10 years (since DeAngelo). But there is still a great shame in being a fan of Memphis within this town because of the conference they are in, or should I say the conference they are NOT in. Because when the subject around the water cooler is college football, if your team cannot compete for a NC, "you are wasting your time and money." If you aren't a fan of "ah-by-God-SEC-team", you are looked down upon like a little brother.

The funny thing is 80% of these SEC homers around here have either not gone to any SEC school, or actually DID got to Memphis, but wore their crap Prison-Orange euy-tay or Ole-miss sweatshirts to class. It is very simple. If Memphis is a member of a big-time conference, just the same as Houston, people would not be ashamed to be fans. Hell, I know a guy... BIG UT fan. Never set foot in a college classroom. Probably barely made it out of high school.

"Hey, Rodney. You a big Vol fan?"
"yep."
"You must have had a great college experience in Knoxville."
"Naw, I never went to college."
"So...what, you grew up in East TN?"
"Nope! Born and raised in Memphis."
"Oh, well, so I guess your parents are from there?"
"Nope. They're from here too."
Okay... so do you enjoy going to Knoxville for games? That seems like a long drive..."
"Naw, I've never been. Just watch um on TV, and wear my TN gear!"
"So, let me get this straight... You grew up in a town where there is a university that has been playing D1-a football since before you were born, yet you chose to support a team from a school FOUR HUNDRED MILES AWAY.... 400... that you have NEVER set foot on? Why?
"Because Tennessee is in the SEC. Memphis plays in (at that time) C-USA. If you're not in a BCS league, you ain't shetttt."

I know almost all of our conference brethren can relate to that on a small scale, but believe me, in Memphis, it is worse. The only other situation I can see being close to equal us is Houston. Memphis battles TN, Ole Miss, Miss State, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, and even Kentucky for what I like to call "sidewalk graduates" - the guy I described above.

But as I said, we are making headway. All we need is a legit conference to turn the tide.

This was exactly my original point completely agree with you!

This was a great well thought out response to this. You said what i have been arguing the whole time. That if UH was in a big conference and consistently played big names people wouldn't be afraid to show up and support UH

+2 buddy much respect.

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Like most of your comments they don't square with the facts. Last time UH played LSU, Tiger Stadium only held 91K or do you have another standing room story? So I guess the answer is no UH has never played before a crowd of 100K. Nice try though.

1992: Michigan 104,968
1993: Michigan 104,196
1997: Tennessee 106,417
2003: Michigan 109,580

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again you ignored the statement about Memphis attendance - "Top Crowds" - dah. They are against who they are against but, please note, didn't include Ole Miss last season, Navy last season, Missouri St last season (yes Missouri St), & Cincy - with all of those games exceeding the UH avg home attendance last season.

You inflate your numbers (as do many teams but don't act like you don't). I watched this game and no way there was 30,075 at the SMU/Memphis game in the Liberty Bowl.

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Your stadium holds 40K you say but the Memphis game attendance was 42,159? Most stadium actually have a capacity & that's what it is, maybe it's different at UH where attendance is a tough hurdle. But for sure the Memphis game is UH's largest crowd in TDECU.

There is this thing called STO...... Standing Room Only. Where people buy tickets to stand inside without having an actual seat....

(08-08-2016 08:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Like most of your comments they don't square with the facts. Last time UH played LSU, Tiger Stadium only held 91K or do you have another standing room story? So I guess the answer is no UH has never played before a crowd of 100K. Nice try though.

1992: Michigan 104,968
1993: Michigan 104,196
1997: Tennessee 106,417
2003: Michigan 109,580

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again you ignored the statement about Memphis attendance - "Top Crowds" - dah. They are against who they are against but, please note, didn't include Ole Miss last season, Navy last season, Missouri St last season (yes Missouri St), & Cincy - with all of those games exceeding the UH avg home attendance last season.

You inflate your numbers (as do many teams but don't act like you don't). I watched this game and no way there was 30,075 at the SMU/Memphis game in the Liberty Bowl.

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Your stadium holds 40K you say but the Memphis game attendance was 42,159? Most stadium actually have a capacity & that's what it is, maybe it's different at UH where attendance is a tough hurdle. But for sure the Memphis game is UH's largest crowd in TDECU.

There is this thing called STO...... Standing Room Only. Where people buy tickets to stand inside without having an actual seat....

1. I didn't ask your UH guy to use an LSU game to prove having played before 100K, where it was impossible to have achieved 100K+ attendance (Tiger Stadium held only 91K at the time). It was his choice & it discredits him.
2. I didn't inflate anything. The attendance numbers I provided are directly from the AAC Media Guide, the AAC website & the Memphis Media Guide. And just think, Memphis had more fans in the stands for Missouri St (yes Missouri St) last season than Uh had in TDECU against anyone other than Memphis. You bring up SMU because you saw the SMU game on TV (who said anything about SMU?) & that makes you the expert. Yet I'm the one twisting the numbers......
3. Say what you want about the capacity of TDECU but as it stands at this time, it took Memphis coming to town for UH to have their biggest crowd ever in that stadium.

UH has a well-documented attendance problem dating back to SWC days & confirmed by local Houston media, campus media & your coach - and these attendance issues even though Houston is the 5th largest metro area in the US. But I'm the jerk for bringing up the facts after you guys pounds your chests & talk crap.

So as you pound your chest about the upcoming OU game & the 71K that will attend, I'l use UH logic, it just proves OU travels well & brings an interest to a UH game.

(08-08-2016 08:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Like most of your comments they don't square with the facts. Last time UH played LSU, Tiger Stadium only held 91K or do you have another standing room story? So I guess the answer is no UH has never played before a crowd of 100K. Nice try though.

1992: Michigan 104,968
1993: Michigan 104,196
1997: Tennessee 106,417
2003: Michigan 109,580

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again you ignored the statement about Memphis attendance - "Top Crowds" - dah. They are against who they are against but, please note, didn't include Ole Miss last season, Navy last season, Missouri St last season (yes Missouri St), & Cincy - with all of those games exceeding the UH avg home attendance last season.

You inflate your numbers (as do many teams but don't act like you don't). I watched this game and no way there was 30,075 at the SMU/Memphis game in the Liberty Bowl.

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Your stadium holds 40K you say but the Memphis game attendance was 42,159? Most stadium actually have a capacity & that's what it is, maybe it's different at UH where attendance is a tough hurdle. But for sure the Memphis game is UH's largest crowd in TDECU.

There is this thing called STO...... Standing Room Only. Where people buy tickets to stand inside without having an actual seat....

Uh...
Standing
Room
Only

SRO.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 08:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Like most of your comments they don't square with the facts. Last time UH played LSU, Tiger Stadium only held 91K or do you have another standing room story? So I guess the answer is no UH has never played before a crowd of 100K. Nice try though.

1992: Michigan 104,968
1993: Michigan 104,196
1997: Tennessee 106,417
2003: Michigan 109,580

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again you ignored the statement about Memphis attendance - "Top Crowds" - dah. They are against who they are against but, please note, didn't include Ole Miss last season, Navy last season, Missouri St last season (yes Missouri St), & Cincy - with all of those games exceeding the UH avg home attendance last season.

You inflate your numbers (as do many teams but don't act like you don't). I watched this game and no way there was 30,075 at the SMU/Memphis game in the Liberty Bowl.

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Your stadium holds 40K you say but the Memphis game attendance was 42,159? Most stadium actually have a capacity & that's what it is, maybe it's different at UH where attendance is a tough hurdle. But for sure the Memphis game is UH's largest crowd in TDECU.

There is this thing called STO...... Standing Room Only. Where people buy tickets to stand inside without having an actual seat....

1. I didn't ask your UH guy to use an LSU game to prove having played before 100K, where it was impossible to have achieved 100K+ attendance (Tiger Stadium held only 91K at the time). It was his choice & it discredits him.
2. I didn't inflate anything. The attendance numbers I provided are directly from the AAC Media Guide, the AAC website & the Memphis Media Guide. And just think, Memphis had more fans in the stands for Missouri St (yes Missouri St) last season than Uh had in TDECU against anyone other than Memphis. You bring up SMU because you saw the SMU game on TV (who said anything about SMU?) & that makes you the expert. Yet I'm the one twisting the numbers......
3. Say what you want about the capacity of TDECU but as it stands at this time, it took Memphis coming to town for UH to have their biggest crowd ever in that stadium.

UH has a well-documented attendance problem dating back to SWC days & confirmed by local Houston media, campus media & your coach - and these attendance issues even though Houston is the 5th largest metro area in the US. But I'm the jerk for bringing up the facts after you guys pounds your chests & talk crap.

So as you pound your chest about the upcoming OU game & the 71K that will attend, I'l use UH logic, it just proves OU travels well & brings an interest to a UH game.

Just stop no one cares what you have to say anymore. Do you even know what your arguing? Are you trying to argue more memphis fans come to games or are you trying to argue memphis plays in front of bigger crowds, because if its the second one who cares! If its not memphis fans going to games how is it an achievement for memphis how does that help memphis?

(08-08-2016 12:24 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 08:57 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Like most of your comments they don't square with the facts. Last time UH played LSU, Tiger Stadium only held 91K or do you have another standing room story? So I guess the answer is no UH has never played before a crowd of 100K. Nice try though.

1992: Michigan 104,968
1993: Michigan 104,196
1997: Tennessee 106,417
2003: Michigan 109,580

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again you ignored the statement about Memphis attendance - "Top Crowds" - dah. They are against who they are against but, please note, didn't include Ole Miss last season, Navy last season, Missouri St last season (yes Missouri St), & Cincy - with all of those games exceeding the UH avg home attendance last season.

You inflate your numbers (as do many teams but don't act like you don't). I watched this game and no way there was 30,075 at the SMU/Memphis game in the Liberty Bowl.

(08-07-2016 09:09 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Your stadium holds 40K you say but the Memphis game attendance was 42,159? Most stadium actually have a capacity & that's what it is, maybe it's different at UH where attendance is a tough hurdle. But for sure the Memphis game is UH's largest crowd in TDECU.

There is this thing called STO...... Standing Room Only. Where people buy tickets to stand inside without having an actual seat....

Uh...
Standing
Room
Only

SRO.

LOL that's what I set for typing fast........

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  1. I didn't ask your UH guy to use an LSU game to prove having played before 100K, where it was impossible to have achieved 100K+ attendance (Tiger Stadium held only 91K at the time). It was his choice & it discredits him.

Ok.......

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  2. I didn't inflate anything. The attendance numbers I provided are directly from the AAC Media Guide, the AAC website & the Memphis Media Guide.

The "YOU" was Memphis Athletics not you. There might have been 10k and I am being generous at that game. I never said "Atlanta" is reporting inflated attendance numbers.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  And just think, Memphis had more fans in the stands for Missouri St (yes Missouri St) last season than Uh had in TDECU against anyone other than Memphis.

Coming off a championship the year before yes your opening home game reported a total of 41,730..... I agree though that games numbers probably were accurate and not inflated.

But to your point that Memphis seems to be such a draw on the road lets dig into the matchups since 1996 when we started playing each other on a consistent basis. Memphis games have been 7.71% (20,241 vs. 21,453) less than our season average in those years.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of your theory.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  You bring up SMU because you saw the SMU game on TV (who said anything about SMU?) & that makes you the expert. Yet I'm the one twisting the numbers......

Good lord you have no ability to have anything but a linear thought so let me connect the dots for you......

Inflated attendance numbers. SMU/Memphis 2015 is a perfect example. As I pointed out though this isn't a practice exclusive to Memphis. UH has been guilty of it from time to time.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  3. Say what you want about the capacity of TDECU but as it stands at this time, it took Memphis coming to town for UH to have their biggest crowd ever in that stadium.

How is stating a fact twisting anything? Capacity is capacity.

Yes, in a year where you were a few games removed from beating Ole Miss at home and we were undefeated, and where both teams were ranked (#16 UH, #25 Memphis) you are the only reason we set an attendance record.......... Wow the idiocy to think its all Memphis. I mean there are fanboys and there is this stuff........

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  UH has a well-documented attendance problem dating back to SWC days & confirmed by local Houston media, campus media & your coach - and these attendance issues even though Houston is the 5th largest metro area in the US. But I'm the jerk for bringing up the facts after you guys pounds your chests & talk crap.

Never called you a jerk. I will be (and always am) more than upfront about our past history when it comes to attendance but again lets not act like Memphis is ECU or BYU on that front...... Sad that I keep having to point this out to you.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  So as you pound your chest about the upcoming OU game & the 71K that will attend, I'l use UH logic, it just proves OU travels well & brings an interest to a UH game.

Never thumped my chest but you seem to have the thinnest skin for a fanboy on this site and that is saying something.

I will go so far as to say that we will easily be putting 40k in the stands for that game (likely more). That said there will also be at a min 20k OU fans with the remaining 10+k a mix of both.

The difference here buddy is we are well aware of our history both good and bad you seem to focus on the recent success and act like your Alabama.

I will say this though we have our share of that same problems with Coog fans doing the same but you won't ever be able to count me among them. A fan yes, but a realist first who will be there win or lose.

The thread is about Houston/BYU/Cincy. Tired of this stupid attendance smack. Ya both are g5 level. Tallest midget.

(08-08-2016 02:04 PM)rosewater Wrote:  The thread is about Houston/BYU/Cincy. Tired of this stupid attendance smack. Ya both are g5 level. Tallest midget.

Lol today yes I agree but we have, and I am sure Memphis is, addressing this.

We will have a great season in the stands this year because we have changed the culture and those efforts are starting to come to fruition.

If anything I'd argue that short of ECU and BYU we all are small fries in the stands for now.

We may be "G5" in the stands today but we WILL NOT be tomorrow. We won't accept it.

(08-08-2016 01:54 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  1. I didn't ask your UH guy to use an LSU game to prove having played before 100K, where it was impossible to have achieved 100K+ attendance (Tiger Stadium held only 91K at the time). It was his choice & it discredits him.

Ok.......

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  2. I didn't inflate anything. The attendance numbers I provided are directly from the AAC Media Guide, the AAC website & the Memphis Media Guide.

The "YOU" was Memphis Athletics not you. There might have been 10k and I am being generous at that game. I never said "Atlanta" is reporting inflated attendance numbers.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  And just think, Memphis had more fans in the stands for Missouri St (yes Missouri St) last season than Uh had in TDECU against anyone other than Memphis.

Coming off a championship the year before yes your opening home game reported a total of 41,730..... I agree though that games numbers probably were accurate and not inflated.

But to your point that Memphis seems to be such a draw on the road lets dig into the matchups since 1996 when we started playing each other on a consistent basis. Memphis games have been 7.71% (20,241 vs. 21,453) less than our season average in those years.

But lets not let the facts get in the way of your theory.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  You bring up SMU because you saw the SMU game on TV (who said anything about SMU?) & that makes you the expert. Yet I'm the one twisting the numbers......

Good lord you have no ability to have anything but a linear thought so let me connect the dots for you......

Inflated attendance numbers. SMU/Memphis 2015 is a perfect example. As I pointed out though this isn't a practice exclusive to Memphis. UH has been guilty of it from time to time.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  3. Say what you want about the capacity of TDECU but as it stands at this time, it took Memphis coming to town for UH to have their biggest crowd ever in that stadium.

How is stating a fact twisting anything? Capacity is capacity.

Yes, in a year where you were a few games removed from beating Ole Miss at home and we were undefeated, and where both teams were ranked (#16 UH, #25 Memphis) you are the only reason we set an attendance record.......... Wow the idiocy to think its all Memphis. I mean there are fanboys and there is this stuff........

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  UH has a well-documented attendance problem dating back to SWC days & confirmed by local Houston media, campus media & your coach - and these attendance issues even though Houston is the 5th largest metro area in the US. But I'm the jerk for bringing up the facts after you guys pounds your chests & talk crap.

Never called you a jerk. I will be (and always am) more than upfront about our past history when it comes to attendance but again lets not act like Memphis is ECU or BYU on that front...... Sad that I keep having to point this out to you.

(08-08-2016 12:03 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  So as you pound your chest about the upcoming OU game & the 71K that will attend, I'l use UH logic, it just proves OU travels well & brings an interest to a UH game.

Never thumped my chest but you seem to have the thinnest skin for a fanboy on this site and that is saying something.

I will go so far as to say that we will easily be putting 40k in the stands for that game (likely more). That said there will also be at a min 20k OU fans with the remaining 10+k a mix of both.

The difference here buddy is we are well aware of our history both good and bad you seem to focus on the recent success and act like your Alabama.

I will say this though we have our share of that same problems with Coog fans doing the same but you won't ever be able to count me among them. A fan yes, but a realist first who will be there win or lose.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Playing devils advocate here as I like UH but gotta question the arguments in this post

(08-07-2016 01:55 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Many people do not recognize the values UH would bring to the Big 12.

Alumni of Big 12 members would swell UH's attendance. The City of Houston has many alumni of members of the Big 12. It has been estimated to have about 20,000 from OU alone. A regular season game between OU and UH in Houston would draw many OU alumni. Some might drive or fly from Oklahoma for a game. See:

http://www.scout.com/college/oklahoma/fo...ston-bound

Of course a game with UT at UH would be a total sell out. This affect whould be similar for alumni of other Big 12 schools in the area but in fewer numbers.

UH's attendance would go up from visiting fans. That benefits UH but the league sees no tangible benefit here.

Quote:Attendance at Big 12 schools in the area would increase as UH students and fans travel to their stadiums. The driving distance from Houston to Waco is 184 miles. From Houston to Austin it is 162 miles. UH supporters could conveniently attend a game in Waco. They could easily increase attendance in Waco by 5,000 or more.

Ridiculous. BU and TCU are sold out on a season ticket basis for the past 2-3 years. UH maybe helps sell 1,000 tickets for either that a game vs Cincy or Memphis wouldn't. When the opponent sells out on a season ticket basis the only available tickets are whatever is returned from the 3,200 visitor allotment or if they expand the standing room tickets. UH increasing either by 5,000 is fantasy.

Quote:At times in the SWC, attendance at UH games was poor. Due to increases in population, higher enrollments, alumni accumulated over decades, and even efforts to change the characteristics of UH, its attendance should consistently be very good in the Big 12.

Once again good for UH but no tangible benefit to the ten schools already here.

Quote:Attendance and TV viewing of college events are affected by rivalries. Due to history of the former SWC members, UH being omitted from the Big 12, and Texas politics, there would be tremendous rivalries between UH and other Texas schools.

Games between Texas schools and Big 8 schools aren't exactly in short supply in the Big 12...

Quote:TV ratings would be higher due to Houston's population. They would be higher with UT in Houston than UT in any other Big 12 city with the exception of OU in Dallas.

UH would increase tv ratings in the Houston DMA. But then again other options will pull similar increases in their home markets where the Big 12 has no current local attention. At best a moot point.

Nationally how much would a 6-6 UH team do compared to the same schedule being given to a 6-6 UC, UConn, or BYU? Tough to argue it's any better than the others, especially BYU.

Quote:Not only would UH membership in the Big 12 help UH, it would also be beneficial to
current Big 12 members. Of the Big 12 candidates, only UH can increase attendance
and TV ratings due to location, rivalries, and DMA.

Other than marginally better ratings in the Houston DMA there really wasn't any argument for how existing members benefit.

I like UH and like rivalry games but from a league strength and stability perspective what benefits does UH provide current members?

(08-09-2016 05:49 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Playing devils advocate here as I like UH but gotta question the arguments in this post

(08-07-2016 01:55 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Many people do not recognize the values UH would bring to the Big 12.

Alumni of Big 12 members would swell UH's attendance. The City of Houston has many alumni of members of the Big 12. It has been estimated to have about 20,000 from OU alone. A regular season game between OU and UH in Houston would draw many OU alumni. Some might drive or fly from Oklahoma for a game. See:

http://www.scout.com/college/oklahoma/fo...ston-bound

Of course a game with UT at UH would be a total sell out. This affect whould be similar for alumni of other Big 12 schools in the area but in fewer numbers.

UH's attendance would go up from visiting fans. That benefits UH but the league sees no tangible benefit here.

Quote:Attendance at Big 12 schools in the area would increase as UH students and fans travel to their stadiums. The driving distance from Houston to Waco is 184 miles. From Houston to Austin it is 162 miles. UH supporters could conveniently attend a game in Waco. They could easily increase attendance in Waco by 5,000 or more.

Ridiculous. BU and TCU are sold out on a season ticket basis for the past 2-3 years. UH maybe helps sell 1,000 tickets for either that a game vs Cincy or Memphis wouldn't. When the opponent sells out on a season ticket basis the only available tickets are whatever is returned from the 3,200 visitor allotment or if they expand the standing room tickets. UH increasing either by 5,000 is fantasy.

Quote:At times in the SWC, attendance at UH games was poor. Due to increases in population, higher enrollments, alumni accumulated over decades, and even efforts to change the characteristics of UH, its attendance should consistently be very good in the Big 12.

Once again good for UH but no tangible benefit to the ten schools already here.

Quote:Attendance and TV viewing of college events are affected by rivalries. Due to history of the former SWC members, UH being omitted from the Big 12, and Texas politics, there would be tremendous rivalries between UH and other Texas schools.

Games between Texas schools and Big 8 schools aren't exactly in short supply in the Big 12...

Quote:TV ratings would be higher due to Houston's population. They would be higher with UT in Houston than UT in any other Big 12 city with the exception of OU in Dallas.

UH would increase tv ratings in the Houston DMA. But then again other options will pull similar increases in their home markets where the Big 12 has no current local attention. At best a moot point.

Nationally how much would a 6-6 UH team do compared to the same schedule being given to a 6-6 UC, UConn, or BYU? Tough to argue it's any better than the others, especially BYU.

Quote:Not only would UH membership in the Big 12 help UH, it would also be beneficial to
current Big 12 members. Of the Big 12 candidates, only UH can increase attendance
and TV ratings due to location, rivalries, and DMA.

Other than marginally better ratings in the Houston DMA there really wasn't any argument for how existing members benefit.

I like UH and like rivalry games but from a league strength and stability perspective what benefits does UH provide current members?

Oh i agree with you! These are all great points. My orgininal argument was that being in the big 12 would mean more fan support for uh. By that i mean more sellouts at home higher home game tv ratings etc.

As far as away games it would obviously help there too in terms of fans traveling. Weather it would be enough to really be of any significance though is whole other issue. Personally i think it would take a few years in the big 12 before the number of fans traveling to away games became a benefit.

Lastly yes i'm denying this only helps uh more than the other schools. But isn't that really the case for every school? Eventually i believe if uh became strong enough those benefits would begin to translate into benefits for other schools but who knows.