Thought this was interesting...

Colorado State President optimistic about CSU's chances

With the news that the networks were pushing back came some rumors that a negotiation was in play that might alter the makeup of any expansion the Big 12 goes forward with including the financial terms. The networks obviously don't want to pay, but there's not much they can do to stop it other than threaten those left behind with an inferior deal later.

Many have said BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, and UConn are favorites. Some toss in Memphis, but this is the first I've heard that Colorado State might have a real shot beyond the league doing due diligence.

Anyone think this sounds like a guy with a Pollyanna approach to life or do you think there's some substance behind his optimism?

(08-05-2016 03:42 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Thought this was interesting...

Colorado State President optimistic about CSU's chances

With the news that the networks were pushing back came some rumors that a negotiation was in play that might alter the makeup of any expansion the Big 12 goes forward with including the financial terms. The networks obviously don't want to pay, but there's not much they can do to stop it other than threaten those left behind with an inferior deal later.

Many have said BYU, Houston, Cincinnati, and UConn are favorites. Some toss in Memphis, but this is the first I've heard that Colorado State might have a real shot beyond the league doing due diligence.

Anyone think this sounds like a guy with a Pollyanna approach to life or do you think there's some substance behind his optimism?

With B.Y.U. it would be possible, just not likely. I don't think they expand at all.

Colorado St would open the door for western expansion. Would 2 football only invites who make a 20% share help alleviate the push back from the networks? BYU & possibly Boise would make excellent football only additions. Both are in the top 5 in the power ratings & attendance among the G5. They then could take 2 full members from Colorado St, Houston & Cincinnati.

If you think Boise is appealing to the Big XII, you're thinking like a fan and not like a university president.

(08-05-2016 02:46 PM)colohank Wrote:  If you think Boise is appealing to the Big XII, you're thinking like a fan and not like a university president.

As a full member then no, they aren't appealing at all. But as a football only member, I think they have to be considered. Boise is top 5 over the last decade (?) in football power ratings & attendance. They are one of the top football teams available. They have no shot as a full member.

The basic conundrum is that going east gets you favorable time zones and populations but with schools that are not traditional flagship/land grants and instead are urban commuter colleges.

Going west, you sacrifice population and favorable time zones there are several landgrant/flagship schools and BYU who fit the model of the B12

And since it's looking more and more like B12 expansion will be limited to 2 and that BYU is the only real certainty then CSU starts looking a lot more likely than they did before.

However I think they split the difference east vs west and add BYU and Cincy.

UH will cry and pout but they really can't claim that one good football season makes them a better overall athletic addition than those two, particularly as there is a 90% probability Tom Herman will be coaching in either Austin or CS after this season

The Big 12 should add Colorado state and New Mexico. This might actually appease the networks?

I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

(08-07-2016 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

Yes we will. I think a lot depends on the possible Big 12 realignment now and the commitment of Texas and OU.

Will Texas stay long term?
Will OU Stay long term?

If they leave they, will certainly take teams with them. So, if it isn't dead after this season I think it could be within the next 5.

Other than BYU I don't see any value in the other expansion candidates. No disrespect to them but I just don't see it.

(08-09-2016 03:20 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

Yes we will. I think a lot depends on the possible Big 12 realignment now and the commitment of Texas and OU.

Will Texas stay long term?
Will OU Stay long term?

If they leave they, will certainly take teams with them. So, if it isn't dead after this season I think it could be within the next 5.

Other than BYU I don't see any value in the other expansion candidates. No disrespect to them but I just don't see it.

I agree. If anyone else was valuable, they'd already be in. They could even have gone to 11 with BYU or Cincinnati -- the Big 10 made that work for nearly 20 years.

At this point I am just ready for something to be done because of all the speculation is starting to grate.

If one tries hard enough they can make an argument for just about anybody and much of what is swirling seems to be Forum gossip seeping into the real world.

(08-09-2016 09:05 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  At this point I am just ready for something to be done because of all the speculation is starting to grate.

If one tries hard enough they can make an argument for just about anybody and much of what is swirling seems to be Forum gossip seeping into the real world.

I don't disagree with that assessment at all. It's happening in every facet of life. What is news now? It's a vacuum of fact and an oppressive atmosphere of carefully chosen opinions.

(08-09-2016 03:20 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

Yes we will. I think a lot depends on the possible Big 12 realignment now and the commitment of Texas and OU.

Will Texas stay long term?
Will OU Stay long term?

If they leave they, will certainly take teams with them. So, if it isn't dead after this season I think it could be within the next 5.

Other than BYU I don't see any value in the other expansion candidates. No disrespect to them but I just don't see it.

Should have invited Louisville when they had a chance. Other than BYU, I see no premier schools to add to the Big XII. PAC 12 has cooked itself as well. Had a chance for OU and OSU and they figured it was too good for them. Oh well... hindsight is a cruel thing sometimes.

It's sad, but the best schools for the Big12 are all of the schools they ran off.

(08-09-2016 08:06 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 03:20 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

Yes we will. I think a lot depends on the possible Big 12 realignment now and the commitment of Texas and OU.

Will Texas stay long term?
Will OU Stay long term?

If they leave they, will certainly take teams with them. So, if it isn't dead after this season I think it could be within the next 5.

Other than BYU I don't see any value in the other expansion candidates. No disrespect to them but I just don't see it.

Should have invited Louisville when they had a chance. Other than BYU, I see no premier schools to add to the Big XII. PAC 12 has cooked itself as well. Had a chance for OU and OSU and they figured it was too good for them. Oh well... hindsight is a cruel thing sometimes.

Yeah, the only thing I see with the PAC is that there is still a possibility of getting Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. I don't know if it's as viable as when I first read those articles years ago about it but since then I have thought about that possibility.

Which again, leads to the Big 12 being destroyed.

(08-09-2016 08:44 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It's sad, but the best schools for the Big12 are all of the schools they ran off.

I agree 100%.

The big12 will never go away completely, it might change names and size but the middle of the country is too large an area not to have some kind of a conference if not a power conference then a conference that should be big anyway
Texas has kicked way too much sand in too many faces here in tx that its eroading the in st power structure it has enjoyed for 100 years or so aTm included " ie" state taxes
I agree with alltiedup about Houston cougars going to the sec and the reasons said above
I would add that it would please me if for no other reason as a life long houstonian to see home grown talent stay here and to keep our 5* and 4*s away from fricken LSU...


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(08-09-2016 08:06 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 03:20 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

Yes we will. I think a lot depends on the possible Big 12 realignment now and the commitment of Texas and OU.

Will Texas stay long term?
Will OU Stay long term?

If they leave they, will certainly take teams with them. So, if it isn't dead after this season I think it could be within the next 5.

Other than BYU I don't see any value in the other expansion candidates. No disrespect to them but I just don't see it.

Should have invited Louisville when they had a chance. Other than BYU, I see no premier schools to add to the Big XII. PAC 12 has cooked itself as well. Had a chance for OU and OSU and they figured it was too good for them. Oh well... hindsight is a cruel thing sometimes.

Seriously still can't believe the Big 12 missed the boat on Louisville, should have added UL, WVU, TCU, and Cincy all at once IMO.

(08-21-2016 08:46 PM)tcufrog86 Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 08:06 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(08-09-2016 03:20 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 05:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I like Colorado State and have for years.
It would make sense to add B.Y.U. and Colorado State.
But, the Big 12 will not be adding anyone IMO.

No more G5's are going to get a promotion even if it is temporary.

I would think that the networks are using the Olympics to try to come up with a plan for a division of schools that works.

The Big 12 can't simply go on.
There is not a lot of trust among the member schools.
There is not a 5, 10, or 20 year plan behind which they can gel.
The networks are already tired of overpaying for they 10 that they have.

With the prospect of adding more that they don't want the networks may finally have the impetus to work on placing the ones they do have and will continue to pay for. It's either continue to pay these, or add more. They'll pay these and move them to where their content values are greater, or to where they are needed for markets, or for balance.

While I'm not predicting it, this could be the last season for the Big 12. We'll see.

Yes we will. I think a lot depends on the possible Big 12 realignment now and the commitment of Texas and OU.

Will Texas stay long term?
Will OU Stay long term?

If they leave they, will certainly take teams with them. So, if it isn't dead after this season I think it could be within the next 5.

Other than BYU I don't see any value in the other expansion candidates. No disrespect to them but I just don't see it.

Should have invited Louisville when they had a chance. Other than BYU, I see no premier schools to add to the Big XII. PAC 12 has cooked itself as well. Had a chance for OU and OSU and they figured it was too good for them. Oh well... hindsight is a cruel thing sometimes.

Seriously still can't believe the Big 12 missed the boat on Louisville, should have added UL, WVU, TCU, and Cincy all at once IMO.

Well they wanted more money. That is what's crazy about all of this. They wanted to get their contract and split it amongst 10. At the time I guess they felt neither Cincy or Louisville provided enough value.

They definitely dropped the ball.