(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

1. leaving the MWC at the time that the MWC was possibly pushing to take the BCS AQ spot from the Big East did not help BYU or the MWC

2. BYU should have pushed for equal treatment to Notre Dame who knows if that would have worked and it would have opened up other schools to go independent and try and make the same demands, but it could have also forced the NCAA to not treat ND special

3. BYU is doing what is best for BYU now and they are making better money for that than any G5 team is making and they are possibly (I would have to look it up) getting as good or better NCAA football playoff money than any G5 program

4. as of now there is nothing that prevents BYU from getting an access bowl spot or into the playoffs so BYU is in as good of a place than a number of other programs with the exception of NCAA football playoff money

and BYU was never a part of a conference that built the major bowl system and the BCS system and gave that up for a playoff system that offers the same opportunity to any school that ends up in the top 4 so BYU should not expect to be compensated equal to the conferences that built that and gave that up

so there is really nothing that BYU is being "kept out of".....BYU took their media rights to market and the market paid what they wanted to pay for those rights.....that pay might not be what a P level conference makes, but it is better than a G conference member makes.....the market has spoken

so the only issue BYU could really claim is being treated different than ND

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(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

Why is BYU advertising conference championships? Those don't matter anymore according to BYU fans. Need to erase that part out.

(08-11-2016 10:27 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

Why is BYU advertising conference championships? Those don't matter anymore according to BYU fans. Need to erase that part out.

Perhaps the real irony is that despite not being in a conference, we have more conference titles than other schools under consideration.

(08-08-2016 11:37 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

1. leaving the MWC at the time that the MWC was possibly pushing to take the BCS AQ spot from the Big East did not help BYU or the MWC

2. BYU should have pushed for equal treatment to Notre Dame who knows if that would have worked and it would have opened up other schools to go independent and try and make the same demands, but it could have also forced the NCAA to not treat ND special

3. BYU is doing what is best for BYU now and they are making better money for that than any G5 team is making and they are possibly (I would have to look it up) getting as good or better NCAA football playoff money than any G5 program

4. as of now there is nothing that prevents BYU from getting an access bowl spot or into the playoffs so BYU is in as good of a place than a number of other programs with the exception of NCAA football playoff money

and BYU was never a part of a conference that built the major bowl system and the BCS system and gave that up for a playoff system that offers the same opportunity to any school that ends up in the top 4 so BYU should not expect to be compensated equal to the conferences that built that and gave that up

so there is really nothing that BYU is being "kept out of".....BYU took their media rights to market and the market paid what they wanted to pay for those rights.....that pay might not be what a P level conference makes, but it is better than a G conference member makes.....the market has spoken

so the only issue BYU could really claim is being treated different than ND

The MWC was not pushing to take the Big Easts BCS bid. The MWC was never in the running to be included in the BCS. Two two teams who could have actually gotten them there had that been an option left before BYU did.

(08-11-2016 03:32 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:37 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

1. leaving the MWC at the time that the MWC was possibly pushing to take the BCS AQ spot from the Big East did not help BYU or the MWC

2. BYU should have pushed for equal treatment to Notre Dame who knows if that would have worked and it would have opened up other schools to go independent and try and make the same demands, but it could have also forced the NCAA to not treat ND special

3. BYU is doing what is best for BYU now and they are making better money for that than any G5 team is making and they are possibly (I would have to look it up) getting as good or better NCAA football playoff money than any G5 program

4. as of now there is nothing that prevents BYU from getting an access bowl spot or into the playoffs so BYU is in as good of a place than a number of other programs with the exception of NCAA football playoff money

and BYU was never a part of a conference that built the major bowl system and the BCS system and gave that up for a playoff system that offers the same opportunity to any school that ends up in the top 4 so BYU should not expect to be compensated equal to the conferences that built that and gave that up

so there is really nothing that BYU is being "kept out of".....BYU took their media rights to market and the market paid what they wanted to pay for those rights.....that pay might not be what a P level conference makes, but it is better than a G conference member makes.....the market has spoken

so the only issue BYU could really claim is being treated different than ND

The MWC was not pushing to take the Big Easts BCS bid. The MWC was never in the running to be included in the BCS. Two two teams who could have actually gotten them there had that been an option left before BYU did.

Utah had left, but TCU was still there when BYU left.

(08-08-2016 12:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  What does dotted his i mean?



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(08-11-2016 03:40 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 03:32 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:37 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

1. leaving the MWC at the time that the MWC was possibly pushing to take the BCS AQ spot from the Big East did not help BYU or the MWC

2. BYU should have pushed for equal treatment to Notre Dame who knows if that would have worked and it would have opened up other schools to go independent and try and make the same demands, but it could have also forced the NCAA to not treat ND special

3. BYU is doing what is best for BYU now and they are making better money for that than any G5 team is making and they are possibly (I would have to look it up) getting as good or better NCAA football playoff money than any G5 program

4. as of now there is nothing that prevents BYU from getting an access bowl spot or into the playoffs so BYU is in as good of a place than a number of other programs with the exception of NCAA football playoff money

and BYU was never a part of a conference that built the major bowl system and the BCS system and gave that up for a playoff system that offers the same opportunity to any school that ends up in the top 4 so BYU should not expect to be compensated equal to the conferences that built that and gave that up

so there is really nothing that BYU is being "kept out of".....BYU took their media rights to market and the market paid what they wanted to pay for those rights.....that pay might not be what a P level conference makes, but it is better than a G conference member makes.....the market has spoken

so the only issue BYU could really claim is being treated different than ND

The MWC was not pushing to take the Big Easts BCS bid. The MWC was never in the running to be included in the BCS. Two two teams who could have actually gotten them there had that been an option left before BYU did.

Utah had left, but TCU was still there when BYU left.

Even if everyone had stayed, we would not have taken the Big East's bid. We would have been added as a BCS member on a provisional basis.

I seem to remember we met 2/3 criteria - it was the bottom dragging the conference down in average rating that was the missing piece. We would have had to add ~3 teams beside Boise to get within striking distance in that category. The problem was the bottom, not the top.

Turns out, we should have added Boise and other good teams before then, got a championship game, solidified the conference in the pecking order as #6, and brought in more TV revenue. Wouldn't have saved the conference, but it would have put MWC teams on better footing moving forward, and maximized the conference revenue.

(08-11-2016 10:38 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:27 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-08-2016 11:20 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-07-2016 02:56 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  ...
and the point is that any school complaining about any program they feel they are better than which is in a P5 conference was almost certainly spending even LESS money than those P5 programs were before the money got crazy

so they have only themselves to blame for the position they are in
...

Well, BYU would be 3rd in attendance in the Big 12, and have had fairly steady attendance levels for the last 30+ years. In basketball, BYU would be #2, and have held that attendance level pretty steady for 40 years. The composite rankings for the last 5, 10, 15, 20 years indicate BYU has maintained a fairly steady average in the top third.

So, how exactly are we to blame for a college football system that has kept us out of the upper levels for the past 30 years, and allowed teams with less interest and less success to have that chance?

Why is BYU advertising conference championships? Those don't matter anymore according to BYU fans. Need to erase that part out.

Perhaps the real irony is that despite not being in a conference, we have more conference titles than other schools under consideration.

How many of those titles would they have lost if Boise State was in the same conference? Boise State, Utah, TCU and BYU with the rising of UNR, Hawaii, Utah State, Fresno State and San Diego State may have made the MWC a P6 conference. That is if Utah and TCU were not picked by a P5 conference, or BYU leaving to go Independent.

I hope we don't add 4. 2 is okay. 4 sux.

Byu destroyed the wac, byu tried to destroy thr mtn west. Mtn west schools dont like them. The Pac doest like them. Utah doesnt like them. Byu plays dirty and is generally detested. Somehow they think the b12 is falling all over itself to add them. Lunacy

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(08-11-2016 08:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Byu destroyed the wac, byu tried to destroy thr mtn west. Mtn west schools dont like them. The Pac doest like them. Utah doesnt like them. Byu plays dirty and is generally detested. Somehow they think the b12 is falling all over itself to add them. Lunacy

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I woulda been out, I have 48(summer) to 72(winter) oz of coffee a day.

Ha! Like I said, another article will be out later this week and we can have 200 posts on that one.

Well on our way.


Any actual new info yet? I doubt it.

Probably sometime Aug 22-25 it'll just be announced.