(08-05-2016 08:58 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:47 AM)memphomike Wrote:  B get back to your usual great sarcastic posts, they look better on you.

I just find it funny that these dipshatz think I would waste the time to use an alias.....and I never make sarcastic posts. I just report the news as a responsible journalist should.

btiger = Calkins

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:15 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  How will that play with the ego of the Big 12? "We don't want you to take our two best teams... You can have the best of the rest."

Well, it's either that or let the lawyers have it out in litigation. How long will that take?

And while that is happening, they just get BYU (no buyout) and Colorado State/Boise who have an easy buyout situation.

Just like all the nerds that said Memphis could just "buy out" Pastner or Pastner would take less than the value of what he was owed for a "soft landing" somewhere else. That was never going to happen.

You realize that the AAC losing two of their best football programs damn near puts them at CUSA status. The powers that be aren't going to just say "sure, we'll waive the 27 months because you really need these teams immediately."

If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Hey B how does Ole Miss and SEC brothers like UT-K feel that we are now in Big 12 and Can't be us....The World Is Ours Memphis...

(08-05-2016 08:58 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:47 AM)memphomike Wrote:  B get back to your usual great sarcastic posts, they look better on you.

I just find it funny that these dipshatz think I would waste the time to use an alias.....and I never make sarcastic posts. I just report the news as a responsible journalist should.

I just thought you made a mistake rather than an alias issue, to me that easier to believe about you. 2 alias would seem like too much of a hassle for you.

(08-05-2016 09:01 AM)WColt45 Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:58 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:47 AM)memphomike Wrote:  B get back to your usual great sarcastic posts, they look better on you.

I just find it funny that these dipshatz think I would waste the time to use an alias.....and I never make sarcastic posts. I just report the news as a responsible journalist should.

btiger = Calkins

he said journalist.

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:15 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  How will that play with the ego of the Big 12? "We don't want you to take our two best teams... You can have the best of the rest."

Well, it's either that or let the lawyers have it out in litigation. How long will that take?

And while that is happening, they just get BYU (no buyout) and Colorado State/Boise who have an easy buyout situation.

Just like all the nerds that said Memphis could just "buy out" Pastner or Pastner would take less than the value of what he was owed for a "soft landing" somewhere else. That was never going to happen.

You realize that the AAC losing two of their best football programs damn near puts them at CUSA status. The powers that be aren't going to just say "sure, we'll waive the 27 months because you really need these teams immediately."

If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave. Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay. That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

To act like the AAC is going to manage to coerce the Big 12 into leaving Memphis but allowing them to take other AAC members is simply fear mongering at its finest or worst depending on how you want to look at it...

(08-05-2016 09:21 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  Hey B how does Ole Miss and SEC brothers like UT-K feel that we are now in Big 12 and Can't be us....The World Is Ours Memphis...

they don't think it will happen.....and even if it does they'll still think of us as a pimple on the azz of college football

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well, it's either that or let the lawyers have it out in litigation. How long will that take?

And while that is happening, they just get BYU (no buyout) and Colorado State/Boise who have an easy buyout situation.

Just like all the nerds that said Memphis could just "buy out" Pastner or Pastner would take less than the value of what he was owed for a "soft landing" somewhere else. That was never going to happen.

You realize that the AAC losing two of their best football programs damn near puts them at CUSA status. The powers that be aren't going to just say "sure, we'll waive the 27 months because you really need these teams immediately."

If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave. Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay. That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

To act like the AAC is going to manage to coerce the Big 12 into leaving Memphis but allowing them to take other AAC members is simply fear mongering at its finest or worst depending on how you want to look at it...

It's called reality, Jack.

(08-05-2016 10:00 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave. Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay. That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

To act like the AAC is going to manage to coerce the Big 12 into leaving Memphis but allowing them to take other AAC members is simply fear mongering at its finest or worst depending on how you want to look at it...

It's called reality, Jack.

I suppose if you consider a delusional fear mongering perception, reality, then you are correct, Jill...

(08-05-2016 09:45 AM)memphomike Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:58 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:47 AM)memphomike Wrote:  B get back to your usual great sarcastic posts, they look better on you.

I just find it funny that these dipshatz think I would waste the time to use an alias.....and I never make sarcastic posts. I just report the news as a responsible journalist should.

I just thought you made a mistake rather than an alias issue, to me that easier to believe about you. 2 alias would seem like too much of a hassle for you.

not to mention I wouldnt know how to go about getting an alias

(08-05-2016 09:55 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:21 AM)tigerscane Wrote:  Hey B how does Ole Miss and SEC brothers like UT-K feel that we are now in Big 12 and Can't be us....The World Is Ours Memphis...

they don't think it will happen.....and even if it does they'll still think of us as a pimple on the azz of college football

This could very well be the most accurate post in this entire thread.

(08-04-2016 04:26 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  It's not the dropping of the soap that gets you in trouble.

It's the bending over to pick it up that gets you.

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well, it's either that or let the lawyers have it out in litigation. How long will that take?

And while that is happening, they just get BYU (no buyout) and Colorado State/Boise who have an easy buyout situation.

Just like all the nerds that said Memphis could just "buy out" Pastner or Pastner would take less than the value of what he was owed for a "soft landing" somewhere else. That was never going to happen.

You realize that the AAC losing two of their best football programs damn near puts them at CUSA status. The powers that be aren't going to just say "sure, we'll waive the 27 months because you really need these teams immediately."

If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave.

The scenario has never occurred because no team has been brazen enough to just "leave" (minus WVU who had lawsuits flying). I was simply responding to the legal eagles who said Memphis could just tell the AAC to suck it and "just join the B12."

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay.

They have the power to make life as difficult as hell for any team wanting to leave. If they wanted they could straight up demand specific performance of the contract (27 months and $10 million) to exit.

The question is, would the B12 wait 27 months for any of those schools?

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

Of course that is the fallback for the AAC. Again, though, NO school is getting "out" unless the AAC "allows" it. Period. Now the sweetening of deals will help expedite the out, but if the B12 wants 2 of 4 possible schools and isn't necessarily hell bent on a definitive 2, then the AAC could certainly say: "Hey, you want UCF and Cinci...that will be $20 million each and you get them in 2017, but you want Houston and Memphis...that will be $25 million each and you don't get them until 2018."

(08-05-2016 10:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave.

The scenario has never occurred because no team has been brazen enough to just "leave" (minus WVU who had lawsuits flying). I was simply responding to the legal eagles who said Memphis could just tell the AAC to suck it and "just join the B12."

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay.

They have the power to make life as difficult as hell for any team wanting to leave. If they wanted they could straight up demand specific performance of the contract (27 months and $10 million) to exit.

The question is, would the B12 wait 27 months for any of those schools?

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

Of course that is the fallback for the AAC. Again, though, NO school is getting "out" unless the AAC "allows" it. Period. Now the sweetening of deals will help expedite the out, but if the B12 wants 2 of 4 possible schools and isn't necessarily hell bent on a definitive 2, then the AAC could certainly say: "Hey, you want UCF and Cinci...that will be $20 million each and you get them in 2017, but you want Houston and Memphis...that will be $25 million each and you don't get them until 2018."

Awfully early to be this drunk.

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 11:44 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 10:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well, it's either that or let the lawyers have it out in litigation. How long will that take?

And while that is happening, they just get BYU (no buyout) and Colorado State/Boise who have an easy buyout situation.

Just like all the nerds that said Memphis could just "buy out" Pastner or Pastner would take less than the value of what he was owed for a "soft landing" somewhere else. That was never going to happen.

You realize that the AAC losing two of their best football programs damn near puts them at CUSA status. The powers that be aren't going to just say "sure, we'll waive the 27 months because you really need these teams immediately."

If Memphis breaches the contract we are not waiting the 27 months... We are leaving as soon as the Big 12 asks. So, how long it will be tangled up in court is of no concern in regards to our entrance because it will not delay it.

You are acting like the AAC has the authority to close our stadium and shut our program down if we leave before the 27 months and do not "negotiate" an agreement prior to leaving. That is ridiculous. We will either negotiate a buyout on the front end or leave and negotiate a settlement after the fact... Either way we jump as soon as the Big 12 calls. There is no amount of money that would be reasonably awarded for an early departure that prevents Memphis from accepting a Big 12 invite...

You may rethink your JP reference as well considering we got out of that contract for pennies on the dollar. It might not have happened in a traditional manner but we came out golden on that.

Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave. Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay. That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

To act like the AAC is going to manage to coerce the Big 12 into leaving Memphis but allowing them to take other AAC members is simply fear mongering at its finest or worst depending on how you want to look at it...

(AP) - The Big East has filed a breach-of-contract lawsuit against West Virginia, four days after the university sued the conference in a bid to make a quick exit for the Big 12.

The conference said the lawsuit was filed Friday in Rhode Island Superior Court seeking unspecified damages along with an order requiring West Virginia to stay put for 27 months in compliance with Big East bylaws.

A spokesman for West Virginia didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.

West Virginia accepted an invitation from the Big 12 last week and wants to join for the 2012 season. The university filed a lawsuit Monday in Monongalia County Circuit Court. It seeks to declare the Big East bylaws invalid.

WVU had a 27 month wait and a $5 million buyout.

After the competing lawsuits, WVU negotiated an shorter wait and a $20 million buyout--$9 million of which the B12 agreed to pay.

You think the B12 is going to pay in excess of $10 million per team to the AAC for teams they aren't even sure they really want? Or will the individual schools have to pony up all the buyout?

Quote:Awfully early to be this drunk.

If there is a body of water nearby, its allowed.

(08-04-2016 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 01:42 PM)Mtyler Wrote:  If true. Memphis should sue the $hit out of this conference.

Under what grounds?

The "it's not fair" statute?

the rules would have to apply equally to all members. If you allow one school to leave early under one agreement, then that must apply to all who are leaving. There could be some sort of anti-trust lawsuit if not.

(08-05-2016 10:18 AM)oakland steve Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 08:06 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Yep, highly doubtful the AAC can strong arm the Big 12. They weren't able to do it last time when the Big 12 was under time constraints and rushing to backfill. Louisville and other similar candidates were available at the time if Big 12 leadership was inclined to shy away from/be influenced by exit negotiations. For the AAC, much more was at stake then...losing BCS status, attempting to secure a contract bowl, negotiating TV contract...still couldn't prevent/influence defections.

Agree on the bball coach situation as well. The folks who didnt want to throw money at a buyout, but find another way look pretty smart now. Not that bball would have kept the Tigers from an invitation, but the way it worked out allowed funds to remain on hand should the need arise (expansion).

Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave.

The scenario has never occurred because no team has been brazen enough to just "leave" (minus WVU who had lawsuits flying). I was simply responding to the legal eagles who said Memphis could just tell the AAC to suck it and "just join the B12."

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay.

They have the power to make life as difficult as hell for any team wanting to leave. If they wanted they could straight up demand specific performance of the contract (27 months and $10 million) to exit.

The question is, would the B12 wait 27 months for any of those schools?

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

Of course that is the fallback for the AAC. Again, though, NO school is getting "out" unless the AAC "allows" it. Period. Now the sweetening of deals will help expedite the out, but if the B12 wants 2 of 4 possible schools and isn't necessarily hell bent on a definitive 2, then the AAC could certainly say: "Hey, you want UCF and Cinci...that will be $20 million each and you get them in 2017, but you want Houston and Memphis...that will be $25 million each and you don't get them until 2018."

Awfully early to be this drunk.

Excellent response. Well thought out.

You have any semi-intelligent response as to why that might not be the case, or you just gonna sit on your thumbs and offer no worthwhile discussion.

(08-05-2016 10:20 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 01:42 PM)Mtyler Wrote:  If true. Memphis should sue the $hit out of this conference.

Under what grounds?

The "it's not fair" statute?

the rules would have to apply equally to all members. If you allow one school to leave early under one agreement, then that must apply to all who are leaving. There could be some sort of anti-trust lawsuit if not.

Are you literally just making shtt up or do you have an inkling of a factual basis that your statement might have a nugget of validity.

If so, please share.


You do realize Syracuse paid $7.5 million to leave the Big East early but WVU paid $20 million.

(08-05-2016 10:20 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:18 AM)oakland steve Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 10:10 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 09:02 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Strongarm?

It's called an injuction. Basically prohibits someone from doing something in violation of a contract. The AAC would slap one on any school that said they were leaving before the ink dried on the exit letter.

I would liken it to a "non compete clause." You guys make it sound like a person (or team in this instance) can just "leave" and go about life as if nothing happened.

The entity that has the rights to the person/team would then just sue the shtt out of the team and the other conference for all types of cool stuff (tortuous interference in business relationship) so don't think that the Big XII will just "take" an AAC school who hasn't been "allowed" to leave or has waited the 27 months.

Good luck to them with that. With all of the schools that have left in the history of expansion you injunction scenario has never occurred. It is not going to occur all of sudden now. Like I said the amount will either be negotiated before/if we leave or a settlement will be agreed upon after we leave.

The scenario has never occurred because no team has been brazen enough to just "leave" (minus WVU who had lawsuits flying). I was simply responding to the legal eagles who said Memphis could just tell the AAC to suck it and "just join the B12."

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  Either way the AAC does not have the power to force any team to stay.

They have the power to make life as difficult as hell for any team wanting to leave. If they wanted they could straight up demand specific performance of the contract (27 months and $10 million) to exit.

The question is, would the B12 wait 27 months for any of those schools?

(08-05-2016 09:52 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  That clause is in there for one reason and that is to increase the exit fee if a team leaves early, nobody really has the intent of keeping Memphis, UC, Houston from moving up to a better conference. The AAC just wants to make sure they get paid when it happens, and any schools is going to find the funds to make the jump the day the Big 12 calls.

Of course that is the fallback for the AAC. Again, though, NO school is getting "out" unless the AAC "allows" it. Period. Now the sweetening of deals will help expedite the out, but if the B12 wants 2 of 4 possible schools and isn't necessarily hell bent on a definitive 2, then the AAC could certainly say: "Hey, you want UCF and Cinci...that will be $20 million each and you get them in 2017, but you want Houston and Memphis...that will be $25 million each and you don't get them until 2018."

Awfully early to be this drunk.

Excellent response. Well thought out.

You have any semi-intelligent response as to why that might not be the case, or you just gonna sit on your thumbs and offer no worthwhile discussion.

You have jumped the shark.

This nonsense is not worthy of a legitimate discussion.