(08-05-2016 12:10 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Wandering pretty far off topic here ...

but will make one point in regards to what you said: how on earth could they expect any non-LDS student to enroll at an LDS institution and abide by the LDS Honor Code??

They can't.
My ex-wife who is well, not white, went to BYU on a soccer scholarship and even went to Ricks for a bit in Pocatello Idaho (now called BYU-Idaho). The school is brutal for people who aren't "LDS familiar" like I was when we first started dating. She ended up going to a different college because we couldn't keep doing the long distance thing. (We were high school sweet hearts who went in different directions after, then reunited) Once you get used to the LDS culture, the honor code at BYU can be tolerated, but it's s HUGE CULTURE SHOCK at first if you are not familiar with LDS culture. I can't even give an example. Army basic training if you aren't athletic or have never fired a weapon etc, ? IDK. Very very different. Not saying it's bad, just so very different than my German Lutheran background, or Catholic backgrounds.
Cheers!

(08-04-2016 09:21 AM)1IvyDog Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 07:36 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(08-04-2016 07:28 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  UTEP committed the sin that Houston committed.

They were stinking when the conference fractured.

while that is true for UH for UTEP they had some of their best years their final years in the WAC and that was well before the WAC broke apart

so who knows how they would have looked to the MWC if they had stayed in the WAC and continued to have good seasons Vs jumping to the CUSA and starting to suck

especially since it is well known that UTSA had an offer from the MWC in addition to the CUSA offer and a Sunbelt offer as well

if UTEP had been decent in the final years of the WAC instead jumping to the CUSA and sucking and making it known that they liked sucking with 3 other Texas teams well UTEP would have most likely had an offer in conjunction with UTSA from the MWC to move as a pair

and that would have put them in a much better place today even if they were sucking

UTSA made the major major mistake of looking at "Texas teams suck buddies" instead of realizing that they had actually managed to have a winning season in the WAC even though they were only a couple of years into playing football at any level and understanding what TCU had done before and how and why they did it and how and why that worked

now they are just another Texas team sucking in CUSA with the exception of Rice that has ups and downs in CUSA

UTEP and USU were offered a place in the MW to become a twelve team league. They refused and SJSU was added. UTEP made a major mistake.

So that would have left three in the WAC: Idaho, NMSU and SJSU. I wonder if Texas State still would have bolted? Would that have been enough to save WAC Football and coax a couple western FCS teams to go FBS?

NMSU vs New Mexico: First game 1894 (NM wasn't even a state then), 105 meetings
NMSU vs UTEP: First game 1914 (UTEP's first year), 93 meetings.

NMSU trails badly in the overall record in both series. Sadly probably one of many reasons (lack of competitiveness) New Mexico State is not in the MWC.

(08-05-2016 05:07 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  NMSU vs New Mexico: First game 1894 (NM wasn't even a state then), 105 meetings
NMSU vs UTEP: First game 1914 (UTEP's first year), 93 meetings.

NMSU trails badly in the overall record in both series. Sadly probably one of many reasons (lack of competitiveness) New Mexico State is not in the MWC.

This realignment situation could play nicely into NMSU's favor.

It could open a spot in 3 potential conferences.

1) MWC. If it were to lose Colorado State that would open up room on the front range for NMSU, especially if they decide they want to expand to 14.

2) CUSA. Its very possible CUSA could have 1 opening and its not in a position to attract MAC or SBC schools but NMSU needs a home.

3) SBC. NMSU is still FB only for 1 more year and the SBC could decide to extend the agreement if they fell below 10 members.

Keep your fingers crossed....

(08-05-2016 05:07 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  NMSU vs New Mexico: First game 1894 (NM wasn't even a state then), 105 meetings
NMSU vs UTEP: First game 1914 (UTEP's first year), 93 meetings.

NMSU trails badly in the overall record in both series. Sadly probably one of many reasons (lack of competitiveness) New Mexico State is not in the MWC.

I'll never forget the era of Haskins, Bliss & McCarthy. In the 90's UTEP, NMSU and UNM played those 6 games against each other where all 3 were NCAA tournament teams with 3 great venues and 15k to 18k a game. The Rio Grande Rivalry and I-25 Rivalries are so underrated. I was a huge college hoops fan then....great era of college hoops.
Cheers!

(08-05-2016 09:03 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-05-2016 05:07 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  NMSU vs New Mexico: First game 1894 (NM wasn't even a state then), 105 meetings
NMSU vs UTEP: First game 1914 (UTEP's first year), 93 meetings.

NMSU trails badly in the overall record in both series. Sadly probably one of many reasons (lack of competitiveness) New Mexico State is not in the MWC.

I'll never forget the era of Haskins, Bliss & McCarthy. In the 90's UTEP, NMSU and UNM played those 6 games against each other where all 3 were NCAA tournament teams with 3 great venues and 15k to 18k a game. The Rio Grande Rivalry and I-25 Rivalries are so underrated. I was a huge college hoops fan then....great era of college hoops.
Cheers!

Ah yes. Those were the good ole days for the Rio Grande trio.
Luc Longley, Tim Hardaway, Randy Brown, etc. Good hard nosed players and some very passionate games. All three had lousy football teams, but as long as BB was clicking the fan bases didn't seem to mind all that much.
Of course that was before football became so dominant in driving conference realignment and everything in college athletics.
cheers back to ya!

Actually, why isn't NMSU in CUSA? As spread out as that conference is and how much of an outlier UTEP is, NMSU would serve CUSA schools a nice 2 for 1 trip.

(08-06-2016 09:25 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Actually, why isn't NMSU in CUSA? As spread out as that conference is and how much of an outlier UTEP is, NMSU would serve CUSA schools a nice 2 for 1 trip.

UTEP has always blocked NMSU from being in the same conference as them. At least since the 60's in the WAC days. Now, I could be wrong but in the 50's and before I beleive they were in the Border Conference together:
1.Arizona
2.ASU
3.New Mexico
4.New Mexico St
5.UTEP
6.I think Texas Tech and then later West Texas A&M?
Could be wrong on this line up but I beleive the winner got the Sun Bowl bid.
Cheers!

Even though it would probably make sense from a cost savings standpoint (lots of 2 for 1 trips) I would think CUSA would be very leery of taking NMSU given the talk about UTEP wanting to bolt to the MWC. And even if CUSA was interested, UTEP would fight hard against NMSU membership (unless they were leaving - as happened with the WAC in ~2005).

As for the Border Conference:
Cooperation back then was apparently a little better. NMSU, UNM and UTEP were all members together for 10+ years. The conference existed from 1931- 1961. From 1942-1956 the conference had 9 members - all football playing:
-Arizona
-Arizona State (Arizona Teachers School- Tempe !)
-Northern Arizona (Arizona Teachers- Flagstaff)
-UTEP (Texas Mines, then Texas Western)
-New Mexico
-New Mexico State (NM A&M)
-Texas Tech
-West Texas State (West Texas Teachers)
-Hardin Simmons

Billybobby you are right - the winner usually played in the Sun Bowl (though not sure that was contractual).

Trivia note: The Sun Bowl is the second oldest college bowl game, behind only the Rose Bowl.

(08-06-2016 01:10 PM)NuMexAg Wrote:  Even though it would probably make sense from a cost savings standpoint (lots of 2 for 1 trips) I would think CUSA would be very leery of taking NMSU given the talk about UTEP wanting to bolt to the MWC. And even if CUSA was interested, UTEP would fight hard against NMSU membership (unless they were leaving - as happened with the WAC in ~2005).

As for the Border Conference:
Cooperation back then was apparently a little better. NMSU, UNM and UTEP were all members together for 10+ years. The conference existed from 1931- 1961. From 1942-1956 the conference had 9 members - all football playing:
-Arizona
-Arizona State (Arizona Teachers School- Tempe !)
-Northern Arizona (Arizona Teachers- Flagstaff)
-UTEP (Texas Mines, then Texas Western)
-New Mexico
-New Mexico State (NM A&M)
-Texas Tech
-West Texas State (West Texas Teachers)
-Hardin Simmons

Billybobby you are right - the winner usually played in the Sun Bowl (though not sure that was contractual).

Trivia note: The Sun Bowl is the second oldest college bowl game, behind only the Rose Bowl.

Thanks for that info! I've been to the Sun Bowl for the Bowl games. Iowa vs Arizona St in 90's was one of my favorite memories. (Jaurez trip for New Years included in that trip)
Cheers!

if you look at all of the FBS schools on a map you see a clear geographical separation of 28 schools west of Texas Tech from the other schools. Of course there are other factors besides geography that determine the makeup of a good conference but it would be nice if we lived in a world where there was no such thing as P5 and G5 and the Pac12 and MWC could each have 14 teams from this group that have geographically proximity to each other.

(08-06-2016 02:20 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  if you look at all of the FBS schools on a map you see a clear geographical separation of 28 schools west of Texas Tech from the other schools. Of course there are other factors besides geography that determine the makeup of a good conference but it would be nice if we lived in a world where there was no such thing as P5 and G5 and the Pac12 and MWC could each have 14 teams from this group that have geographically proximity to each other.

Why not grab a couple of more teams and have three conferences? Makes more sense with regionalization on its way back except for the P4/P5.