(08-06-2016 05:26 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-06-2016 04:28 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:17 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  B1G takes OU and ISU to consolidate (or UConn).

KU and TCU to the SEC.

Pac take OSU, Tech, KSU and UT.

ACC gets ND and finally... WVU.

Baylorapists are left out.

Create a new subdivision football only. Either that or you need a 4/5 play in game for G5 access.

Would Texas go to the Pac if that's who they went with? I would presume that they'd like to put Texas Tech and Kansas State in their rearview in any Big 12 drawing and quartering. Sure, it'd still be the Pac 16 or whatever they'd call themselves, but you can see where they'd go to four-team divisions or pods, and Texas would be stuck with 2-3 B-teamers (depending on how you view Oklahoma State).

A thought: Would the ACC be willing to throw geographic congruity to the wind and take on a crappy football program in order to add Kansas, which would make it once and for all the preeminent men's basketball conference? They'd be on a island made of wheat, but Kansas presumably checks off more of the ACC's boxes than does West Virginia.

More likely, Big 10 takes Kansas instead of Iowa State.

What is the value of geographic congruity? That's a red herring. In many cases you can removed state lines and instead look at DMA maps to help see what's what as there are a number of major markets that cross two or three states such as NYC - Conn/NY/NJ, Philly - NJ, PA, Del, MD, DC - the District, MD, Va, WVa, and Del, Charlotte - SC and NC, Tri-Cities - Va, TN, NC, KY, Cincy - Ohio, Indiana, KY, etc., etc. The fact that a pan handle or a narrow strip of another state is not going to affect what the ACC does.

Both Iowa State and Kansas have aspects of their programs and university that would appeal to ACC schools, not the least of which is the doppelganger aspect of ISU and KU to NC State and UNC. ISU is the quintessential cow college/STEM/land grant where graduate research, not undergraduate teaching, is king. Their profile and that of NC State and VT is nearly indistinguishable. UNC and Kansas are inbred cousins sharing staff, administration, coaches, etc. The ACC is the only conference that can actually break even or make a little bit off Iowa State because ISU adds a virgin territory to the ACC and so would Kansas. Schools closer to the current ACC footprint like WVa, Cincinnati, and UConn are in markets where an ACC presence of some kind already exists. Yes, UConn might add viewers in Hartford, Cincy might add viewers in Dayton and Columbus, and yes WVa might add viewers in Charleston and Hunnington, but in each case there is already an ACC school in the next door market bleeding over into part of those three's markets and you don't have to be first in the market, 2nd or 3rd does just as well.

Now, could you get 12 votes to add just Kansas - no. The anti-UNC-Ch crowd and the southern football schools would not go for that unless Kansas is part of a larger package that included Texas. This same logic applies to ISU but the kibosh would come from the blues UNC, Duke, UVa, and a fourth vote they would wring out of someone.

Together, ISU and Kansas would get at least 13 of 15 votes. Add Texas to those three and you get all 15.

If the ACC took the three top academic schools and went to 18, then the SEC would need to take 4 to get to 18 and that takes care of OU, OSU, and West Virginia (who adds much more to the SEC than the ACC), and leaves their final spot to go to either TCU or TT, probably TT.

At that point ESPN has cut off the B10 and P12 at the pass and would have 36 programs tied up including the entire south and southwest, in addition to penetrating the B10 heart in Chicagoland as they would probably hype any match between Notre Dame and Iowa State as a battle for the soul of Chicago.

It's not Iowa State that's at the bottom of the current race, it's Baylor and Kansas State.

The state of Iowa doesn't have the population to make this happen. The ACC will pass.

Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State wherever the Cyclones land.

(08-04-2016 03:10 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Won't happen, but this would make a lot of sense culturally:

1) SEC: Oklahama and WVU
Big Ten: Texas and Kansas

2) Old Big 8 (Iowa State, Oklahoma St, Kansas St) merge with the MWC

East: UNM, Air Force, Colorado St, Wyoming, Iowa St, Oklahoma St, KSU
West: Utah St, Boise St, Nevada, UNLV, SDSU, Fresno St, San Jose St, Hawaii**



3) Old Southwest Conference (Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU) merge with the AAC

East: UConn, Temple, ECU, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, Navy**
West: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech



**Navy and Hawaii are the hold-ups in this scenario. Both really don't fit that well in the new conference and should be encouraged to look around a little bit. Obviously if not, then both are stuck at 15 teams.

This is going a difference direction than a lot of people/power brokers want but it makes sense to me. Big Ten gets two great schools, one basketball blue blood and one football blue blood. The SEC gets a great football power and a football-crazy eastern school that adds a new area in Appalachia. This also creates a true power 4 but does leave two strong lower tiered conferences and leaves open the possibility of call-ups/movement down the road.

This seems much more likely.

Chess, if you think the state of Iowa's population is the draw, you are wrong. It's the media market DMA's that are at the edges of Iowa and spill over into Illinois, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Minnesota that are the draw, especially the Quad City DMA that includes 7 Iowa Counties and 10 Illinois Counties and is adjacent to the Chicago DMA. ISU has 250K alumni, and the highest percentage of alumni association members outside Iowa are in Illinois. While there are just over 3 million people in Iowa itself, when you include the DMA populations outside the artificial political line, you get nearly 4 million or so, the same size as Kentucky.

For the ACC, Iowa State is not so much about Iowa as it is Illinois. And Iowa State comes with built in games with Iowa. It's no different than the SEC's interest in South Carolina years ago, it wasn't just about South Carolina, it was also about Charlotte, NC.

I'm not saying Iowa State is the ACC's favorite expansion target, but they are more appealing than they are given credit based on their proximity to Minneapolis and Chicago, just like Kansas' appeal is not just Kansas, but the Missouri side of Kansas City as well. Finally ISU does not have to apologize for it's academics.

(08-06-2016 11:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Chess, if you think the state of Iowa's population is the draw, you are wrong. It's the media market DMA's that are at the edges of Iowa and spill over into Illinois, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Minnesota that are the draw, especially the Quad City DMA that includes 7 Iowa Counties and 10 Illinois Counties and is adjacent to the Chicago DMA. ISU has 250K alumni, and the highest percentage of alumni association members outside Iowa are in Illinois. While there are just over 3 million people in Iowa itself, when you include the DMA populations outside the artificial political line, you get nearly 4 million or so, the same size as Kentucky.

For the ACC, Iowa State is not so much about Iowa as it is Illinois. And Iowa State comes with built in games with Iowa. It's no different than the SEC's interest in South Carolina years ago, it wasn't just about South Carolina, it was also about Charlotte, NC.

I'm not saying Iowa State is the ACC's favorite expansion target, but they are more appealing than they are given credit based on their proximity to Minneapolis and Chicago, just like Kansas' appeal is not just Kansas, but the Missouri side of Kansas City as well. Finally ISU does not have to apologize for it's academics.

Errr yes it does!

(08-06-2016 11:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Chess, if you think the state of Iowa's population is the draw, you are wrong. It's the media market DMA's that are at the edges of Iowa and spill over into Illinois, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Minnesota that are the draw, especially the Quad City DMA that includes 7 Iowa Counties and 10 Illinois Counties and is adjacent to the Chicago DMA. ISU has 250K alumni, and the highest percentage of alumni association members outside Iowa are in Illinois. While there are just over 3 million people in Iowa itself, when you include the DMA populations outside the artificial political line, you get nearly 4 million or so, the same size as Kentucky.

For the ACC, Iowa State is not so much about Iowa as it is Illinois. And Iowa State comes with built in games with Iowa. It's no different than the SEC's interest in South Carolina years ago, it wasn't just about South Carolina, it was also about Charlotte, NC.

I'm not saying Iowa State is the ACC's favorite expansion target, but they are more appealing than they are given credit based on their proximity to Minneapolis and Chicago, just like Kansas' appeal is not just Kansas, but the Missouri side of Kansas City as well. Finally ISU does not have to apologize for it's academics.

Having lived in Iowa, I just don't see it. Cyclones have great fan support, especially considering their lack of success, but they really didn't seem to have all that much market penetration - quad cities or otherwise. Seemed to have more support in the more rural western part of the state. Don't think the ACC has any more interest in Iowa State than in taking Northern Iowa.

The whole analysis is mistaken. The notion that UL somehow brings an ACC footprint to Ohio is uninformed at best.

(08-06-2016 11:52 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Chess, if you think the state of Iowa's population is the draw, you are wrong. It's the media market DMA's that are at the edges of Iowa and spill over into Illinois, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Minnesota that are the draw, especially the Quad City DMA that includes 7 Iowa Counties and 10 Illinois Counties and is adjacent to the Chicago DMA. ISU has 250K alumni, and the highest percentage of alumni association members outside Iowa are in Illinois. While there are just over 3 million people in Iowa itself, when you include the DMA populations outside the artificial political line, you get nearly 4 million or so, the same size as Kentucky.

For the ACC, Iowa State is not so much about Iowa as it is Illinois. And Iowa State comes with built in games with Iowa. It's no different than the SEC's interest in South Carolina years ago, it wasn't just about South Carolina, it was also about Charlotte, NC.

I'm not saying Iowa State is the ACC's favorite expansion target, but they are more appealing than they are given credit based on their proximity to Minneapolis and Chicago, just like Kansas' appeal is not just Kansas, but the Missouri side of Kansas City as well. Finally ISU does not have to apologize for it's academics.

It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I could see two of Iowa State, Kansas State, and Baylor getting left behind if the P4 stays at 65 teams. A Pac 16 may wind up with Iowa State if Oklahoma and/or Kansas join other P4 conferences.


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(08-10-2016 05:34 PM)MickMack Wrote:  The whole analysis is mistaken. The notion that UL somehow brings an ACC footprint to Ohio is uninformed at best.

He has zero understanding of how markets actually work and particularly how networks/conferences can maximize profits in markets. People have attempted to point it out, but he's concocted a very unusual "understanding" of markets.

(08-10-2016 05:34 PM)MickMack Wrote:  The whole analysis is mistaken. The notion that UL somehow brings an ACC footprint to Ohio is uninformed at best.

Louisville has SOME viewers in Indiana.
Pittsburgh has SOME viwers in Ohio.
Notre Dame has viewers in both of those states.

The real question is, how many more viewers would a team like Cincinnati bring in, and would it make a significant difference? If your name isn't Ohio State, do you really carry Ohio? (I don't know the answers to those questions, but I'm guessing ESPN does).

(08-10-2016 07:01 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I actually think Northern Illinois is a good school for expansion. They have had consistently good football, despite their conference holding them down. Should the Big 12 get raided, they really would be a good match for Iowa State from a location standpoint, and a football standpoint.

(08-11-2016 10:43 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 07:01 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I actually think Northern Illinois is a good school for expansion. They have had consistently good football, despite their conference holding them down. Should the Big 12 get raided, they really would be a good match for Iowa State from a location standpoint, and a football standpoint.

Until NIU can motivate their alumni and the surrounding area to show up for football and basketball games, it is a tough sell for the Huskies. All of NIU's big games are moved to offsite locations.

(08-11-2016 07:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 05:34 PM)MickMack Wrote:  The whole analysis is mistaken. The notion that UL somehow brings an ACC footprint to Ohio is uninformed at best.

Louisville has SOME viewers in Indiana.
Pittsburgh has SOME viwers in Ohio.
Notre Dame has viewers in both of those states.

The real question is, how many more viewers would a team like Cincinnati bring in, and would it make a significant difference? If your name isn't Ohio State, do you really carry Ohio? (I don't know the answers to those questions, but I'm guessing ESPN does).

Ohio in general? No not really. They do not get much play for instance up here in NE Ohio.

That being said SW Ohio is a fairly populated region and they have a very strong hold in Cincinnati. Also a network might consider that a P5 conference really just needs some access to a state. They may not need to actually carry it for it to be worth it.

(08-11-2016 10:33 PM)chess Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:43 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 07:01 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I actually think Northern Illinois is a good school for expansion. They have had consistently good football, despite their conference holding them down. Should the Big 12 get raided, they really would be a good match for Iowa State from a location standpoint, and a football standpoint.

Until NIU can motivate their alumni and the surrounding area to show up for football and basketball games, it is a tough sell for the Huskies. All of NIU's big games are moved to offsite locations.

Not true. The reason we have recently had to do that was because of the terrible MAC tv contract. We play all our big games on tuesday and wednesday. I'd like to see an G5 team have to deal with that. NIU was one of the top attendance G5 schools in the nation for YEARS until all their best games got moved to tuesday and wednesday at 6 or 7 PM. Do you know how hard it is for alumni to get from Chicago to DeKalb for a 7PM game on a tuesday? We got screwed by our conference and want to leave in the worst way. NIU has over 100,000 alumni in Chicagoland. Anytime we play on a saturday against a non FCS opponent our crowd is excellent. Also, when you win your division for six straight years it gets boring beating up on EMU, WMU, Toledo, and Kent State every season.

(08-11-2016 07:09 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 05:34 PM)MickMack Wrote:  The whole analysis is mistaken. The notion that UL somehow brings an ACC footprint to Ohio is uninformed at best.

He has zero understanding of how markets actually work and particularly how networks/conferences can maximize profits in markets. People have attempted to point it out, but he's concocted a very unusual "understanding" of markets.

With regards to his particular comment, if I had to guess his logic is that Kentucky and Ohio share an RSN. That combined with previously shared conferences, He probably assigns it is a two way street. By that is simply not the case. Hat is because the reds are the de facto home team in most of Kentucky, along with the cardinals to and extent in certain parts. That is why. Louisville does have radio coverage in Cincinnati and parts of Ohio. But from a conference network perspective, that would not hold water. You'd have a better chance of making a claim that Kentucky had market presence in Ohio hat Louisville.

(08-13-2016 06:13 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:33 PM)chess Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:43 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 07:01 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I actually think Northern Illinois is a good school for expansion. They have had consistently good football, despite their conference holding them down. Should the Big 12 get raided, they really would be a good match for Iowa State from a location standpoint, and a football standpoint.

Until NIU can motivate their alumni and the surrounding area to show up for football and basketball games, it is a tough sell for the Huskies. All of NIU's big games are moved to offsite locations.

Not true. The reason we have recently had to do that was because of the terrible MAC tv contract. We play all our big games on tuesday and wednesday. I'd like to see an G5 team have to deal with that. NIU was one of the top attendance G5 schools in the nation for YEARS until all their best games got moved to tuesday and wednesday at 6 or 7 PM. Do you know how hard it is for alumni to get from Chicago to DeKalb for a 7PM game on a tuesday? We got screwed by our conference and want to leave in the worst way. NIU has over 100,000 alumni in Chicagoland. Anytime we play on a saturday against a non FCS opponent our crowd is excellent. Also, when you win your division for six straight years it gets boring beating up on EMU, WMU, Toledo, and Kent State every season.

Well said

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(08-13-2016 06:13 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Not true. The reason we have recently had to do that was because of the terrible MAC tv contract. We play all our big games on tuesday and wednesday. I'd like to see an G5 team have to deal with that. NIU was one of the top attendance G5 schools in the nation for YEARS until all their best games got moved to tuesday and wednesday at 6 or 7 PM. Do you know how hard it is for alumni to get from Chicago to DeKalb for a 7PM game on a tuesday? We got screwed by our conference and want to leave in the worst way. NIU has over 100,000 alumni in Chicagoland. Anytime we play on a saturday against a non FCS opponent our crowd is excellent. Also, when you win your division for six straight years it gets boring beating up on EMU, WMU, Toledo, and Kent State every season.

I was at the NIU/Maryland game. It was standing room only.

NIU averaged less that 14,000 in 2015. NIU adveraged less than 18,000 in 2010. NIU averaged less than 24,000 in 2003.

NIU's attendance records

Quote: 28,211 vs. Western Michigan (10-18-2003)
28,218 vs. Iowa State (09-27-2003)
28,071 vs. Southern Illinois (09-11-2004)[clarification needed]
28,018 vs. Maryland (08-28-2003)
27,802 vs. Long Beach State (09-12-1981) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huskie_Stadium

(08-14-2016 08:12 PM)chess Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 06:13 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Not true. The reason we have recently had to do that was because of the terrible MAC tv contract. We play all our big games on tuesday and wednesday. I'd like to see an G5 team have to deal with that. NIU was one of the top attendance G5 schools in the nation for YEARS until all their best games got moved to tuesday and wednesday at 6 or 7 PM. Do you know how hard it is for alumni to get from Chicago to DeKalb for a 7PM game on a tuesday? We got screwed by our conference and want to leave in the worst way. NIU has over 100,000 alumni in Chicagoland. Anytime we play on a saturday against a non FCS opponent our crowd is excellent. Also, when you win your division for six straight years it gets boring beating up on EMU, WMU, Toledo, and Kent State every season.

I was at the NIU/Maryland game. It was standing room only.

NIU averaged less that 14,000 in 2015. NIU adveraged less than 18,000 in 2010. NIU averaged less than 24,000 in 2003.

NIU's attendance records

Quote: 28,211 vs. Western Michigan (10-18-2003)
28,218 vs. Iowa State (09-27-2003)
28,071 vs. Southern Illinois (09-11-2004)[clarification needed]
28,018 vs. Maryland (08-28-2003)
27,802 vs. Long Beach State (09-12-1981) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huskie_Stadium

MACtion is killing us slowly but surely. Those fans are opting to watch us on tv (our tv ratings numbers are actually outstanding) instead of coming out to support us in person. Thank you though for actually looking into our attendance and seeing past the embarrassing numbers of the past few years.

For reference, our TV numbers

2015 season AAC, NIU & Toledo(just for comparison) conference games nationally televised Tues-Fri...
Source - http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

Thursday, September 24
1.242M Cincinnati Memphis 7:25PM ESPN

Friday, October 2
1.155M Memphis USF 10:00 PM ESPN2

Thursday, October 8
356K SMU Houston 8:00 PM ESPN2

Friday, October 16
85K Houston Tulane 9:00 PM ESPNU

Thursday, October 22
679K Temple ECU 7:00 PM ESPN2

Friday, October 23
1.216M Memphis Tulsa 7:55 PM ESPN

Friday, October 30
188K ECU UConn 7:00 PM ESPNU

Tuesday, November 3
856K N. Illinois Toledo 8:00 PM ESPN2
As is would have been the 5th highest rated weeknight conference game for the AAC...and 3rd highest on ESPN2.

Friday, November 6
1.080M Temple SMU 7:55 PM ESPN2

Tuesday, November 10
561K Toledo C. Mich. 8:00 PM ESPN2

Wednesday, November 11
191K N. Illinois Buffalo 8:00 PM ESPNU
Better ratings than all 3 AAC weeknight games on ESPNU

Tuesday, November 17
527K Toledo BGSU 6:00 PM ESPN2

Wednesday, November 18
630K W. Mich. N. Illinois 8:00 PM ESPN2
Better ratings than 2/8 AAC games on ESPN/2 and within 8% of the next 2 AAC games.

Thursday, November 19
669K ECU UCF 7:26 PM ESPN

Friday, November 27
147K Tulsa Tulane 8:16 PM ESPNU

Tuesday, November 24
400K Ohio N. Illinois 7:34 PM ESPNU
Best ratings on ESPNU that I have ever seen for a G5vG5 matchup.
Not only does this game have higher ratings than every other AAC matchup on ESPNU and is better than one AAC game each on ESPN and ESPN2.

Thursday, November 26 (Thanksgiving)
388K USF UCF 7:27 PM ESPN

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(08-13-2016 06:13 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:33 PM)chess Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:43 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 07:01 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I actually think Northern Illinois is a good school for expansion. They have had consistently good football, despite their conference holding them down. Should the Big 12 get raided, they really would be a good match for Iowa State from a location standpoint, and a football standpoint.

Until NIU can motivate their alumni and the surrounding area to show up for football and basketball games, it is a tough sell for the Huskies. All of NIU's big games are moved to offsite locations.

Not true. The reason we have recently had to do that was because of the terrible MAC tv contract. We play all our big games on tuesday and wednesday. I'd like to see an G5 team have to deal with that. NIU was one of the top attendance G5 schools in the nation for YEARS until all their best games got moved to tuesday and wednesday at 6 or 7 PM. Do you know how hard it is for alumni to get from Chicago to DeKalb for a 7PM game on a tuesday? We got screwed by our conference and want to leave in the worst way. NIU has over 100,000 alumni in Chicagoland. Anytime we play on a saturday against a non FCS opponent our crowd is excellent. Also, when you win your division for six straight years it gets boring beating up on EMU, WMU, Toledo, and Kent State every season.

Winning should never get boring.

(08-15-2016 05:34 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(08-13-2016 06:13 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:33 PM)chess Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 10:43 AM)HawkeyeCoug Wrote:  

(08-10-2016 07:01 PM)chess Wrote:  It won't happen. Connecticut is more attractive than Iowa State. Temple is more attractive than Iowa State. SMU, a school in Texas, is more attractive than Iowa State. Houston is more attractive than Iowa State. Tulane is more attractive than Iowa State.

Iowa State is in a tough spot if Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma choose to go elsewhere. Like I stated, Northern Illinois is ready to join Iowa State (and Kansas State) wherever they go.

Iowa State is not on the ACC's radar.

Iowa State's academics are great.

I actually think Northern Illinois is a good school for expansion. They have had consistently good football, despite their conference holding them down. Should the Big 12 get raided, they really would be a good match for Iowa State from a location standpoint, and a football standpoint.

Until NIU can motivate their alumni and the surrounding area to show up for football and basketball games, it is a tough sell for the Huskies. All of NIU's big games are moved to offsite locations.

Not true. The reason we have recently had to do that was because of the terrible MAC tv contract. We play all our big games on tuesday and wednesday. I'd like to see an G5 team have to deal with that. NIU was one of the top attendance G5 schools in the nation for YEARS until all their best games got moved to tuesday and wednesday at 6 or 7 PM. Do you know how hard it is for alumni to get from Chicago to DeKalb for a 7PM game on a tuesday? We got screwed by our conference and want to leave in the worst way. NIU has over 100,000 alumni in Chicagoland. Anytime we play on a saturday against a non FCS opponent our crowd is excellent. Also, when you win your division for six straight years it gets boring beating up on EMU, WMU, Toledo, and Kent State every season.

Winning should never get boring.

You don't understand.