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(09-07-2016 04:47 PM)Moomba Wrote:  That's the real issue, not that we should be playing in beer league WCHA. If we committed to being in such a good conference, we should be walking the walk.

The problem is they cannot walk the walk. 2nd rate facilities compared to the other NCHC schools, plus all of the other schools we compete to get the best players with.

I have said this before, we have some talented players, who if rallied together, could make some noise in this league. Issue is the guy at the top. They do not like playing for him. He is not fair, he is not honest and many of his actions are an embarrassment to the University, yet many continue to drink the Kool-Aid. Just because this guy had success and coached in the NHL doesn't mean he will always be the right guy. I say it's time to move on.

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 09:21 PM)JSB3 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 07:03 PM)brovol Wrote:  It is amazing to me that so many wmu folks on this board have become so high and mighty after three years in the high-rent NCHC that the WCHA and the schools in that league are laughed at and looked down upon this much. The WCHA competes better on a national level in hockey than the MAC does in football, basketball, baseball, or any other sport, yet some believe it to be a "beer league", and most others feel we are far too superior to stoop so low as the WCHA. Well a few of those poor pathetic losers in the WCHA have had very nice seasons, including NCAA bids, all while we have been trying to keep our "too-proud" heads above water in our super conference.

I have always loved the MAC, and have enjoyed wearing my mid- major chip on my shoulder. Never have I felt too-proud to be a passionate WMU Bronco, and have always felt that the MAC was the perfect conference for us.

The disparaging comments about the WCHA are a manifestation of both ignorance and "little-man-syndrome , and it is embarrassing hearing them come from WMU Broncos. Since when did we become so full of ourselves?

You're killing me dude. Please tone it down. People don't respond to you anymore because they are sick and tired of 1,500 word essays that insult them and their fact based evidence as though it is their imagination.

Oh, did I insult you? What was it that you found insulting?

My essay was in response to the countless and nasty personal insults that I have received simply because I have expressed an opinion that WMU would be better served in the WCHA than the NCHC. For that I get disparaged repeatedly. Initially i defended my position with my reasoning for believing the wcha was a better fit, and why I thought we would do poorly. More recently I have the ability to say, look at the results. But either way, and most likely because the evidence now speaks for itself and the two village idiots can't respond with facts, the personal insults come flying my way. If you are new to this then go back a few years and read the threads.

I aught to be able to express an opinion. The real problem here is that my prognostications have actually come true, and there are some here who refuse to accept they might not be right.

If you don't like my 1500 word essays, then quit having your mother read them to you.

You'd rather be right and see the hockey program flounder.

Get over yourself.

You are quick to point fingers, not so willing to have a 180. Very telling. We talk about the upcoming year and you roll into your canned WCHA diatribe. You know it's insufferable and it's just a clever way of trolling.

So spare us the outrage when you get the responses you desire.

(09-07-2016 07:03 PM)brovol Wrote:  It is amazing to me that so many wmu folks on this board have become so high and mighty after three years in the high-rent NCHC that the WCHA and the schools in that league are laughed at and looked down upon this much. The WCHA competes better on a national level in hockey than the MAC does in football, basketball, baseball, or any other sport, yet some believe it to be a "beer league", and most others feel we are far too superior to stoop so low as the WCHA. Well a few of those poor pathetic losers in the WCHA have had very nice seasons, including NCAA bids, all while we have been trying to keep our "too-proud" heads above water in our super conference.

I have always loved the MAC, and have enjoyed wearing my mid- major chip on my shoulder. Never have I felt too-proud to be a passionate WMU Bronco, and have always felt that the MAC was the perfect conference for us.

The disparaging comments about the WCHA are a manifestation of both ignorance and "little-man-syndrome , and it is embarrassing hearing them come from WMU Broncos. Since when did we become so full of ourselves?

Only half of your prediction has come true though. We have not done a great job since joining the NCHC, but none of the current WCHA schools have had any real tournament success either. In the 3 years since the conference realignment, the WCHA has only had 2 NCAA tournament victories compared to 17 for NCHC teams.

This isn't MAC football where we are happy to just make it to a bowl, we actually have a chance at a national championship and need to put ourselves in the best position to achieve that. I do not believe the competition in the WCHA properly prepares a team for success in the NCAA tournament and the evidence backs up that theory.

(09-08-2016 09:16 AM)DudeReally Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 04:47 PM)Moomba Wrote:  That's the real issue, not that we should be playing in beer league WCHA. If we committed to being in such a good conference, we should be walking the walk.

The problem is they cannot walk the walk. 2nd rate facilities compared to the other NCHC schools, plus all of the other schools we compete to get the best players with.

I have said this before, we have some talented players, who if rallied together, could make some noise in this league. Issue is the guy at the top. They do not like playing for him. He is not fair, he is not honest and many of his actions are an embarrassment to the University, yet many continue to drink the Kool-Aid. Just because this guy had success and coached in the NHL doesn't mean he will always be the right guy. I say it's time to move on.

Sounds very personal with you. Can you expound here? Understood if you can't.

(09-08-2016 09:37 AM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 09:21 PM)JSB3 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 07:03 PM)brovol Wrote:  It is amazing to me that so many wmu folks on this board have become so high and mighty after three years in the high-rent NCHC that the WCHA and the schools in that league are laughed at and looked down upon this much. The WCHA competes better on a national level in hockey than the MAC does in football, basketball, baseball, or any other sport, yet some believe it to be a "beer league", and most others feel we are far too superior to stoop so low as the WCHA. Well a few of those poor pathetic losers in the WCHA have had very nice seasons, including NCAA bids, all while we have been trying to keep our "too-proud" heads above water in our super conference.

I have always loved the MAC, and have enjoyed wearing my mid- major chip on my shoulder. Never have I felt too-proud to be a passionate WMU Bronco, and have always felt that the MAC was the perfect conference for us.

The disparaging comments about the WCHA are a manifestation of both ignorance and "little-man-syndrome , and it is embarrassing hearing them come from WMU Broncos. Since when did we become so full of ourselves?

You're killing me dude. Please tone it down. People don't respond to you anymore because they are sick and tired of 1,500 word essays that insult them and their fact based evidence as though it is their imagination.

Oh, did I insult you? What was it that you found insulting?

My essay was in response to the countless and nasty personal insults that I have received simply because I have expressed an opinion that WMU would be better served in the WCHA than the NCHC. For that I get disparaged repeatedly. Initially i defended my position with my reasoning for believing the wcha was a better fit, and why I thought we would do poorly. More recently I have the ability to say, look at the results. But either way, and most likely because the evidence now speaks for itself and the two village idiots can't respond with facts, the personal insults come flying my way. If you are new to this then go back a few years and read the threads.

I aught to be able to express an opinion. The real problem here is that my prognostications have actually come true, and there are some here who refuse to accept they might not be right.

If you don't like my 1500 word essays, then quit having your mother read them to you.

You'd rather be right and see the hockey program flounder.

Get over yourself.

You are quick to point fingers, not so willing to have a 180. Very telling. We talk about the upcoming year and you roll into your canned WCHA diatribe. You know it's insufferable and it's just a clever way of trolling.

So spare us the outrage when you get the responses you desire.

HAHAHAHAHA, Momba/DB, of all people is calling ME a "troll" HAHAHAHA. The guy who literally spends every minute of every day behind his computer screen, probably in dirty underwear, picking fights with anyone and everyone, with the sole goal of making everyone miserable, because he doesn't like the direction the board has gone in since he was previously banned multiple times for being a jacka$$. It is indeed ironic that the guy who hates this board so much, spends every moment of his life on it. Perhaps that is why you are so bitter. You had a million posts under your DB identity, and since being banned permanently, you likely have almost as many if you count total posts on all of your current ID's.

One of these days you will post something that actually has substance; but no one will notice.

God Bless. Go Broncos!

(09-08-2016 10:20 AM)Bronc33 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 07:03 PM)brovol Wrote:  It is amazing to me that so many wmu folks on this board have become so high and mighty after three years in the high-rent NCHC that the WCHA and the schools in that league are laughed at and looked down upon this much. The WCHA competes better on a national level in hockey than the MAC does in football, basketball, baseball, or any other sport, yet some believe it to be a "beer league", and most others feel we are far too superior to stoop so low as the WCHA. Well a few of those poor pathetic losers in the WCHA have had very nice seasons, including NCAA bids, all while we have been trying to keep our "too-proud" heads above water in our super conference.

I have always loved the MAC, and have enjoyed wearing my mid- major chip on my shoulder. Never have I felt too-proud to be a passionate WMU Bronco, and have always felt that the MAC was the perfect conference for us.

The disparaging comments about the WCHA are a manifestation of both ignorance and "little-man-syndrome , and it is embarrassing hearing them come from WMU Broncos. Since when did we become so full of ourselves?

Only half of your prediction has come true though. We have not done a great job since joining the NCHC, but none of the current WCHA schools have had any real tournament success either. In the 3 years since the conference realignment, the WCHA has only had 2 NCAA tournament victories compared to 17 for NCHC teams.

This isn't MAC football where we are happy to just make it to a bowl, we actually have a chance at a national championship and need to put ourselves in the best position to achieve that. I do not believe the competition in the WCHA properly prepares a team for success in the NCAA tournament and the evidence backs up that theory.

I dont disagree with anything you have said, except that i predicted any specific level of NCAA Tournament success by schools in the WCHA. I have said many times that the WCHA is a "competitive conference", and it is. Indeed, it has had usually two or three teams within the Pairwise top 16, or just barely outside the top 16, during the three years since the big reorganization. That is decent, and far better than most on this board would like to give them credit for. But otherwise I agree with your comments. I simply have a difference in opinion about whether we have a BETTER chance of making NCAA Tournaments in the NCHC as compared to the WCHA.

I have never ever argued that the WCHA is a better conference. I do believe though it is a good enough conference, and that WMU, most years, has a better chance of having a very good season, and a better chance being one of the top two teams, and making the NCAA, if a member of the WCHA, than it does having a very good season, and being one of the top FOUR teams in the NCHC (which is where we would need to be to make the NCAA). What do you think? Is WMU more likely to be one of the top two teams in the WCHA, or to be in the top four teams in the NCHC?

The NCAA Hockey tournament is one of those that anything can happen. Getting there is the key. Ferris proved that, as have many other less heralded teams over the years.

The other key component of my argument has always been that once a program loses positive momentum, and starts having a few uninspiring seasons, in ANY league, enthusiasm for the program lessens, attendance falters, recruits are less attracted, and then things snowball, which just makes things worse. This was my fear, and still is.

I love Bronco Hockey, and drive several hours multiple times every year to attend games. I would love for WMU to take off in the NCHC, and become a perennial power. I would gladly eat crow, and will do so with a smile should WMU win the NCHC title and make a few runs in the NCAA. But I have an opinion as to what is best, and understand it clearly has and still does conflict with the majority. For this apparently I must pay.

(09-08-2016 01:09 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 09:37 AM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 09:21 PM)JSB3 Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 07:03 PM)brovol Wrote:  It is amazing to me that so many wmu folks on this board have become so high and mighty after three years in the high-rent NCHC that the WCHA and the schools in that league are laughed at and looked down upon this much. The WCHA competes better on a national level in hockey than the MAC does in football, basketball, baseball, or any other sport, yet some believe it to be a "beer league", and most others feel we are far too superior to stoop so low as the WCHA. Well a few of those poor pathetic losers in the WCHA have had very nice seasons, including NCAA bids, all while we have been trying to keep our "too-proud" heads above water in our super conference.

I have always loved the MAC, and have enjoyed wearing my mid- major chip on my shoulder. Never have I felt too-proud to be a passionate WMU Bronco, and have always felt that the MAC was the perfect conference for us.

The disparaging comments about the WCHA are a manifestation of both ignorance and "little-man-syndrome , and it is embarrassing hearing them come from WMU Broncos. Since when did we become so full of ourselves?

You're killing me dude. Please tone it down. People don't respond to you anymore because they are sick and tired of 1,500 word essays that insult them and their fact based evidence as though it is their imagination.

Oh, did I insult you? What was it that you found insulting?

My essay was in response to the countless and nasty personal insults that I have received simply because I have expressed an opinion that WMU would be better served in the WCHA than the NCHC. For that I get disparaged repeatedly. Initially i defended my position with my reasoning for believing the wcha was a better fit, and why I thought we would do poorly. More recently I have the ability to say, look at the results. But either way, and most likely because the evidence now speaks for itself and the two village idiots can't respond with facts, the personal insults come flying my way. If you are new to this then go back a few years and read the threads.

I aught to be able to express an opinion. The real problem here is that my prognostications have actually come true, and there are some here who refuse to accept they might not be right.

If you don't like my 1500 word essays, then quit having your mother read them to you.

You'd rather be right and see the hockey program flounder.

Get over yourself.

You are quick to point fingers, not so willing to have a 180. Very telling. We talk about the upcoming year and you roll into your canned WCHA diatribe. You know it's insufferable and it's just a clever way of trolling.

So spare us the outrage when you get the responses you desire.

HAHAHAHAHA, Momba/DB, of all people is calling ME a "troll" HAHAHAHA. The guy who literally spends every minute of every day behind his computer screen, probably in dirty underwear, picking fights with anyone and everyone, with the sole goal of making everyone miserable, because he doesn't like the direction the board has gone in since he was previously banned multiple times for being a jacka$$. It is indeed ironic that the guy who hates this board so much, spends every moment of his life on it. Perhaps that is why you are so bitter. You had a million posts under your DB identity, and since being banned permanently, you likely have almost as many if you count total posts on all of your current ID's.

One of these days you will post something that actually has substance; but no one will notice.

God Bless. Go Broncos!

Hello Kettle, you're BLACK!

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:09 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 09:37 AM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-07-2016 09:21 PM)JSB3 Wrote:  You're killing me dude. Please tone it down. People don't respond to you anymore because they are sick and tired of 1,500 word essays that insult them and their fact based evidence as though it is their imagination.

Oh, did I insult you? What was it that you found insulting?

My essay was in response to the countless and nasty personal insults that I have received simply because I have expressed an opinion that WMU would be better served in the WCHA than the NCHC. For that I get disparaged repeatedly. Initially i defended my position with my reasoning for believing the wcha was a better fit, and why I thought we would do poorly. More recently I have the ability to say, look at the results. But either way, and most likely because the evidence now speaks for itself and the two village idiots can't respond with facts, the personal insults come flying my way. If you are new to this then go back a few years and read the threads.

I aught to be able to express an opinion. The real problem here is that my prognostications have actually come true, and there are some here who refuse to accept they might not be right.

If you don't like my 1500 word essays, then quit having your mother read them to you.

You'd rather be right and see the hockey program flounder.

Get over yourself.

You are quick to point fingers, not so willing to have a 180. Very telling. We talk about the upcoming year and you roll into your canned WCHA diatribe. You know it's insufferable and it's just a clever way of trolling.

So spare us the outrage when you get the responses you desire.

HAHAHAHAHA, Momba/DB, of all people is calling ME a "troll" HAHAHAHA. The guy who literally spends every minute of every day behind his computer screen, probably in dirty underwear, picking fights with anyone and everyone, with the sole goal of making everyone miserable, because he doesn't like the direction the board has gone in since he was previously banned multiple times for being a jacka$$. It is indeed ironic that the guy who hates this board so much, spends every moment of his life on it. Perhaps that is why you are so bitter. You had a million posts under your DB identity, and since being banned permanently, you likely have almost as many if you count total posts on all of your current ID's.

One of these days you will post something that actually has substance; but no one will notice.

God Bless. Go Broncos!

Hello Kettle, you're BLACK!

Nope. Only one ID for me, and never been banned. Don't drool over a computer all day long either, and I would always prefer to have positive communication than what we are experiencing now. I'll tell you what though; we could make a deal and commitment that we each will avoid insult, name calling, antagonism, and any other negative dialog, not just with each other, but with everyone else on the Stampede, for two weeks? Are you up to it brother?

(09-08-2016 06:49 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:58 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 01:09 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 09:37 AM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  Oh, did I insult you? What was it that you found insulting?

My essay was in response to the countless and nasty personal insults that I have received simply because I have expressed an opinion that WMU would be better served in the WCHA than the NCHC. For that I get disparaged repeatedly. Initially i defended my position with my reasoning for believing the wcha was a better fit, and why I thought we would do poorly. More recently I have the ability to say, look at the results. But either way, and most likely because the evidence now speaks for itself and the two village idiots can't respond with facts, the personal insults come flying my way. If you are new to this then go back a few years and read the threads.

I aught to be able to express an opinion. The real problem here is that my prognostications have actually come true, and there are some here who refuse to accept they might not be right.

If you don't like my 1500 word essays, then quit having your mother read them to you.

You'd rather be right and see the hockey program flounder.

Get over yourself.

You are quick to point fingers, not so willing to have a 180. Very telling. We talk about the upcoming year and you roll into your canned WCHA diatribe. You know it's insufferable and it's just a clever way of trolling.

So spare us the outrage when you get the responses you desire.

HAHAHAHAHA, Momba/DB, of all people is calling ME a "troll" HAHAHAHA. The guy who literally spends every minute of every day behind his computer screen, probably in dirty underwear, picking fights with anyone and everyone, with the sole goal of making everyone miserable, because he doesn't like the direction the board has gone in since he was previously banned multiple times for being a jacka$$. It is indeed ironic that the guy who hates this board so much, spends every moment of his life on it. Perhaps that is why you are so bitter. You had a million posts under your DB identity, and since being banned permanently, you likely have almost as many if you count total posts on all of your current ID's.

One of these days you will post something that actually has substance; but no one will notice.

God Bless. Go Broncos!

Hello Kettle, you're BLACK!

Nope. Only one ID for me, and never been banned. Don't drool over a computer all day long either, and I would always prefer to have positive communication than what we are experiencing now. I'll tell you what though; we could make a deal and commitment that we each will avoid insult, name calling, antagonism, and any other negative dialog, not just with each other, but with everyone else on the Stampede, for two weeks? Are you up to it brother?

Nope. #brownandgoldroom gets that treatment. I actually know, like, and respect those guys. You guys showed your character all too well.

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  For that I get disparaged repeatedly.

Oh cry us a god d4mn river. You are so thin skinned.

(09-10-2016 12:14 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(09-08-2016 05:35 AM)brovol Wrote:  For that I get disparaged repeatedly.

Oh cry us a god d4mn river. You are so thin skinned.

Yes, because this is a "disparage free board".