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ESPN/Fox options for dealing with the Big 12
Pretty good summary of the few options the networks have...

As the Big 12 makes plans for expansion, TV networks are preparing for a fight to avoid paying for lesser candidates

Quote:The pushback from the networks adds yet another layer to an already strange realignment process. So let's examine those options, which include a nuclear option of forcing the Big 12 to drag the networks into court.
Quote:So what can the networks do about it now?

1. Try to negotiate the actual cost down by dangling something most of the Big 12 members want.
2. Try to offer more money so the league stays at 10.
3. Go nuclear. Refuse to pay more and prepare for court.
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Entirely assumes the SBJ article is true. Which is fine.

But IMO, it makes sense that FOX wants more content. And it makes sense that the problem for FOX isn't that it will have to "overpay" for the content, rather that it just can't get its hand around enough content - due to the ESPN stranglehold on most of the content.
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RE: ESPN/Fox options for dealing with the Big 12
(08-03-2016 03:11 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Entirely assumes the SBJ article is true. Which is fine.

But IMO, it makes sense that FOX wants more content. And it makes sense that the problem for FOX isn't that it will have to "overpay" for the content, rather that it just can't get its hand around enough content - due to the ESPN stranglehold on most of the content.

Actually, it sounds like the article has their own sources...
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Fourth paragraph he references the SBJ article. Then simply says "Based on conversations with people on various sides of the deal ..."

Fine, you can say that. But that still doesn't stop me from believing that FOX actually has something to gain here.
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(08-03-2016 03:20 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Fourth paragraph he references the SBJ article. Then simply says "Based on conversations with people on various sides of the deal ..."

Fine, you can say that. But that still doesn't stop me from believing that FOX actually has something to gain here.

I found that part interesting as well. Fox taking the more rigid stance???
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Meh....the author claims to have spoken to people but all he did was summarize stuff and quoted the SBJ article.
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RE: ESPN/Fox options for dealing with the Big 12
Staples' conclusion is, basically:

(1) There's a deal to be made if the Big 12 doesn't expand or only adds 2 new members. (Given that ESPN always gets more years added to a contract when they give someone a raise in mid-contract, any increase in dollars probably also means an extension of the TV contract and the Big 12 GOR.)

(2) If the Big 12 adds 4 schools, then ESPN and Fox won't pay anything more than they pay now, at least until after the lawyers fight it out.
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I got my popcorn. I hope it goes to court. I know it won't but man it would be better than the OJ trial if it did. " "Contract says if we expand you must pay the man"
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Once again espn has absolutely no control contractual over any of this. When they lied to the big12 about the network money then created one for the ACC all bets were off. This is fox driven and any so-called expert that says other wise is lying or pulling it out of his rear.
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RE: ESPN/Fox options for dealing with the Big 12
(08-03-2016 06:06 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Staples' conclusion is, basically:

(1) There's a deal to be made if the Big 12 doesn't expand or only adds 2 new members. (Given that ESPN always gets more years added to a contract when they give someone a raise in mid-contract, any increase in dollars probably also means an extension of the TV contract and the Big 12 GOR.)

(2) If the Big 12 adds 4 schools, then ESPN and Fox won't pay anything more than they pay now, at least until after the lawyers fight it out.

And I think your #1 option will happen. I think two teams get added under the following criteria:

1. Best overall program according to Fox and ESPN
2. A program close to WVU.
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I do not believe ESPN is fighting this. Look at what they gave to the ACC? Most of their schools got less viewers than BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Northern Illinois, Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston, East Carolina, SMU, UTEP, New Mexico, Toledo, and so forth. Adding any four to six schools from that list would give the Big 12 more viewers over the ACC. Fox might want some AAC schools, but ESPN does not want to lose AAC schools to Fox. It would compete against their ACC deal. I think it is mostly a fight between Fox and ESPN. ESPN wants to say the AAC candidates are weaker in tv viewership. But they know the truth that those schools do get more viewers than a lot of the ACC schools. Could ESPN try and protect their product by having the AAC be merged with ACC to kill Big 12 any chance of getting any AAC schools so that Fox does not compete with them?
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Just mentioned this elsewhere but I believe ESPN should get rights to the Big 12 title game by renegotiating the AAC deal and using the extra money to pay for the Big 12 title game rights.
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(08-03-2016 06:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do not believe ESPN is fighting this. Look at what they gave to the ACC? Most of their schools got less viewers than BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Northern Illinois, Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston, East Carolina, SMU, UTEP, New Mexico, Toledo, and so forth. Adding any four to six schools from that list would give the Big 12 more viewers over the ACC.

You're high.
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ESPN would get killed in the court room over this.
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(08-03-2016 06:52 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I do not believe ESPN is fighting this. Look at what they gave to the ACC? Most of their schools got less viewers than BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Northern Illinois, Memphis, Cincinnati, Houston, East Carolina, SMU, UTEP, New Mexico, Toledo, and so forth. Adding any four to six schools from that list would give the Big 12 more viewers over the ACC. Fox might want some AAC schools, but ESPN does not want to lose AAC schools to Fox. It would compete against their ACC deal. I think it is mostly a fight between Fox and ESPN. ESPN wants to say the AAC candidates are weaker in tv viewership. But they know the truth that those schools do get more viewers than a lot of the ACC schools. Could ESPN try and protect their product by having the AAC be merged with ACC to kill Big 12 any chance of getting any AAC schools so that Fox does not compete with them?

DavidSt, would you rather the AAC merge with the Big 12 or the ACC? I'm just curious based on this post and your last post in another thread where you outlined your proposed super-conference.
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