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RE: Why are we not inviting Wichita State ASAP?
NIU should apply to CUSA, which is an up and coming league with WKU building a team.

Their brand doesn't fit in the AAC.
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(08-08-2016 01:43 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  NIU should apply to CUSA, which is an up and coming league with WKU building a team.

Their brand doesn't fit in the AAC.
Why would we downgrade conferences? Less money, too many FCS start ups...

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(08-04-2016 09:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  WHy not add them... let me take a crack

1. They would have one of the smallest markets in the entire AAC.
2. THey run 3rd in their tiny market
3. They dont have football and thats what makes money. Bball is minor in comparison, unless you are a bball only type league (see Big East)
4. There are much better options
5. See #4
1. We would be the smallest market just behind Tulsa, but I'm not sure I'd label it as a tiny market. Not huge by any means either. We have been getting more play in KC but I know that doesn't count.
2. False. We are number 1 in the Wichita metro. KSU is 2 and KU is 3 believe it or not.
3. We don't currently, but the basketball credits we would bring are nothing to sneeze at.
4. Not saying there are or aren't.

Who knows what we may end up doing in football down the road, but you'd immediately pick up a top 40 basketball program that'll add a few basketball credits to the conference just about every year and we have other strong Olympic sports. I know that's minor, but it helps the overall strength of a conference. Maybe the other schools you talk about do too. I admit I know very little about a number of schools I see mentioned on here.

I know Southern Miss used to be good, but haven't done much in either football or basketball lately. I also know they're in a much smaller market than Wichita.

I've seen Toledo mentioned. I think they have some solid athletics if I'm not mistaken. Not sure what kind of consistency they have as I've never looked at them in depth. Also a smaller market than Wichita.

NIU has had some good football no doubt. Their basketball is atrocious and I know there are schools in the AAC that still care about basketball. They may be in the Chicago market, but they're mostly irrelevant. That's not a knock on NIU, that's just how Chicago rolls. But I get that interest. That's why the MVC added Loyola and that's done nothing for Chicago exposure.

I get the Army love. Horrible athletics but it's Army.

I've seen Marshall mentioned. Slightly smaller market than Wichita. Have had some good success in football in the past. Have no clue how good they are currently. I've never heard anything about their basketball. Though I do know you don't care about basketball at all.

I've seen WKU brought up but not seriously. Good athletics, smaller market.

As I've said, I'm not out to bash others to try and make my school look better. Wichita gets brought up and I'll chime in. I've also said a number of times previously that us getting into the AAC straight from the MVC is probably pretty slim, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially after the quote from our president I shared the other day about our status with a couple of conferences where one would assume FBS football would be mandatory from the get go, but it isn't.

But Wichita is not Houston and it never will be. It is the 65th market in the US which is a mid size market. I believe Tulsa is 60, New Orleans is 51 and Memphis is 50. There's a little gap there but it's not like we're way off.

There are a lot of factors that go into adding a school. I won't pretend to know all of them or how we fall. We would love to compete in the AAC. Time will tell if that ever happens or not.
NIU is coming off a 20+ win season in basketball and postseason play in the Vegas 16... not really atrocious basketball. We're definitely trending upward and have a phenomenal recruiting class coming in

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I apologize for that. As I think I mentioned somewhere, I don't follow a lot of the teams talked about closely at all and hadn't realized that NIU had changed course in basketball. I'm not sure how I'd classify your basketball but the Vegas tournament means nothing to me personally. It's just another C type tournament. But I wish you luck in your progress and perhaps you can get into at least the NIT soon.

NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
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(08-08-2016 02:57 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
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(08-08-2016 12:50 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 11:22 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 10:50 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  1. We would be the smallest market just behind Tulsa, but I'm not sure I'd label it as a tiny market. Not huge by any means either. We have been getting more play in KC but I know that doesn't count.
2. False. We are number 1 in the Wichita metro. KSU is 2 and KU is 3 believe it or not.
3. We don't currently, but the basketball credits we would bring are nothing to sneeze at.
4. Not saying there are or aren't.

Who knows what we may end up doing in football down the road, but you'd immediately pick up a top 40 basketball program that'll add a few basketball credits to the conference just about every year and we have other strong Olympic sports. I know that's minor, but it helps the overall strength of a conference. Maybe the other schools you talk about do too. I admit I know very little about a number of schools I see mentioned on here.

I know Southern Miss used to be good, but haven't done much in either football or basketball lately. I also know they're in a much smaller market than Wichita.

I've seen Toledo mentioned. I think they have some solid athletics if I'm not mistaken. Not sure what kind of consistency they have as I've never looked at them in depth. Also a smaller market than Wichita.

NIU has had some good football no doubt. Their basketball is atrocious and I know there are schools in the AAC that still care about basketball. They may be in the Chicago market, but they're mostly irrelevant. That's not a knock on NIU, that's just how Chicago rolls. But I get that interest. That's why the MVC added Loyola and that's done nothing for Chicago exposure.

I get the Army love. Horrible athletics but it's Army.

I've seen Marshall mentioned. Slightly smaller market than Wichita. Have had some good success in football in the past. Have no clue how good they are currently. I've never heard anything about their basketball. Though I do know you don't care about basketball at all.

I've seen WKU brought up but not seriously. Good athletics, smaller market.

As I've said, I'm not out to bash others to try and make my school look better. Wichita gets brought up and I'll chime in. I've also said a number of times previously that us getting into the AAC straight from the MVC is probably pretty slim, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially after the quote from our president I shared the other day about our status with a couple of conferences where one would assume FBS football would be mandatory from the get go, but it isn't.

But Wichita is not Houston and it never will be. It is the 65th market in the US which is a mid size market. I believe Tulsa is 60, New Orleans is 51 and Memphis is 50. There's a little gap there but it's not like we're way off.

There are a lot of factors that go into adding a school. I won't pretend to know all of them or how we fall. We would love to compete in the AAC. Time will tell if that ever happens or not.
NIU is coming off a 20+ win season in basketball and postseason play in the Vegas 16... not really atrocious basketball. We're definitely trending upward and have a phenomenal recruiting class coming in

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I apologize for that. As I think I mentioned somewhere, I don't follow a lot of the teams talked about closely at all and hadn't realized that NIU had changed course in basketball. I'm not sure how I'd classify your basketball but the Vegas tournament means nothing to me personally. It's just another C type tournament. But I wish you luck in your progress and perhaps you can get into at least the NIT soon.

NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
Get a football team, then come back as a candidate

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RE: Why are we not inviting Wichita State ASAP?
(08-08-2016 02:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
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(08-08-2016 12:50 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 11:22 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  NIU is coming off a 20+ win season in basketball and postseason play in the Vegas 16... not really atrocious basketball. We're definitely trending upward and have a phenomenal recruiting class coming in

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I apologize for that. As I think I mentioned somewhere, I don't follow a lot of the teams talked about closely at all and hadn't realized that NIU had changed course in basketball. I'm not sure how I'd classify your basketball but the Vegas tournament means nothing to me personally. It's just another C type tournament. But I wish you luck in your progress and perhaps you can get into at least the NIT soon.

NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
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We don't need Wichita State fb. We have NAVY fb. Basketball is where the AAC will take a hit most likely.

If the AAC loses 2 or more... The Shockers are just what the AAC needs when fb goes to 10 and mbb goes to 9. It makes no sense to invite an all-sports program at that point.

An all sports program will only become necessary if the AAC loses 3... and we'd still need a mbb program.

QUALITY is what is called for.
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(08-08-2016 03:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
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(08-08-2016 02:57 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
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(08-08-2016 12:50 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I apologize for that. As I think I mentioned somewhere, I don't follow a lot of the teams talked about closely at all and hadn't realized that NIU had changed course in basketball. I'm not sure how I'd classify your basketball but the Vegas tournament means nothing to me personally. It's just another C type tournament. But I wish you luck in your progress and perhaps you can get into at least the NIT soon.

NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
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We don't need Wichita State fb. We have NAVY fb. Basketball is where the AAC will take a hit most likely.
Some WSU fans think you'll be taking their startup program for FB too...

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RE: Why are we not inviting Wichita State ASAP?
(08-08-2016 03:08 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 03:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 02:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 02:57 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 01:40 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
Get a football team, then come back as a candidate

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We don't need Wichita State fb. We have NAVY fb. Basketball is where the AAC will take a hit most likely.
Some WSU fans think you'll be taking their startup program for FB too...

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Wichita State doesn't have fb yet. That's irrelevant.
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RE: Why are we not inviting Wichita State ASAP?
(08-08-2016 03:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 02:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 02:57 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 01:40 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 12:50 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  I apologize for that. As I think I mentioned somewhere, I don't follow a lot of the teams talked about closely at all and hadn't realized that NIU had changed course in basketball. I'm not sure how I'd classify your basketball but the Vegas tournament means nothing to me personally. It's just another C type tournament. But I wish you luck in your progress and perhaps you can get into at least the NIT soon.

NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
Get a football team, then come back as a candidate

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We don't need Wichita State fb. We have NAVY fb. Basketball is where the AAC will take a hit most likely.

If the AAC loses 2 or more... The Shockers are just what the AAC needs when fb goes to 10 and mbb goes to 9. It makes no sense to invite an all-sports program at that point.

An all sports program will only become necessary if the AAC loses 3... and we'd still need a mbb program.

QUALITY is what is called for.

Agreed. If we lose two the AAC doesn't need to do anything unless you know for a fact you can get Boise, SDSU or BYU if they don't get selected. If not stay at 10, add WSU and VCU as bball only, not sure who a 3rd option would be just for bball..
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(08-08-2016 03:08 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 03:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 02:58 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 02:57 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 01:40 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  NIU Hoops maybe just enjoyed their best season in 20 years (9-9 in conf play) and they averaged just 1,422 per home game in 2015-2016.

Only Eastern Michigan (1,228 fans per game) drew less in the MAC last season then NIU.

Record or not, that fan support is atrocious.
Get a football team, then come back as a candidate

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We don't need Wichita State fb. We have NAVY fb. Basketball is where the AAC will take a hit most likely.
Some WSU fans think you'll be taking their startup program for FB too...

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Most Wichita fans would want the ability to move up to AAC football when a mutual need would come about. Perfect scenario for us is to allow us to grow and fund FCS football the right way and then if a spot opened or expansion were desired down the road, that we would then get a spot. Few if any believe the AAC would take us as a startup. But maybe five to ten years down the line if something opened who knows. If the understanding were something like that, we'd be building as much of an FBS programs as we could in FCS while we waited. This would also give the AAC time to make decisions about us or set goals for us to achieve be it in funding or attendance or whatever.

Basketball is our number one priority though and we take an AAC offer even if that means we don't get FBS football as soon as some might like.
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Curious question, Navy has a good baseball team. Could they join the AAC for baseball or do they need join for all sports.
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(08-08-2016 11:22 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
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(08-04-2016 09:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  WHy not add them... let me take a crack

1. They would have one of the smallest markets in the entire AAC.
2. THey run 3rd in their tiny market
3. They dont have football and thats what makes money. Bball is minor in comparison, unless you are a bball only type league (see Big East)
4. There are much better options
5. See #4
1. We would be the smallest market just behind Tulsa, but I'm not sure I'd label it as a tiny market. Not huge by any means either. We have been getting more play in KC but I know that doesn't count.
2. False. We are number 1 in the Wichita metro. KSU is 2 and KU is 3 believe it or not.
3. We don't currently, but the basketball credits we would bring are nothing to sneeze at.
4. Not saying there are or aren't.

Who knows what we may end up doing in football down the road, but you'd immediately pick up a top 40 basketball program that'll add a few basketball credits to the conference just about every year and we have other strong Olympic sports. I know that's minor, but it helps the overall strength of a conference. Maybe the other schools you talk about do too. I admit I know very little about a number of schools I see mentioned on here.

I know Southern Miss used to be good, but haven't done much in either football or basketball lately. I also know they're in a much smaller market than Wichita.

I've seen Toledo mentioned. I think they have some solid athletics if I'm not mistaken. Not sure what kind of consistency they have as I've never looked at them in depth. Also a smaller market than Wichita.

NIU has had some good football no doubt. Their basketball is atrocious and I know there are schools in the AAC that still care about basketball. They may be in the Chicago market, but they're mostly irrelevant. That's not a knock on NIU, that's just how Chicago rolls. But I get that interest. That's why the MVC added Loyola and that's done nothing for Chicago exposure.

I get the Army love. Horrible athletics but it's Army.

I've seen Marshall mentioned. Slightly smaller market than Wichita. Have had some good success in football in the past. Have no clue how good they are currently. I've never heard anything about their basketball. Though I do know you don't care about basketball at all.

I've seen WKU brought up but not seriously. Good athletics, smaller market.

As I've said, I'm not out to bash others to try and make my school look better. Wichita gets brought up and I'll chime in. I've also said a number of times previously that us getting into the AAC straight from the MVC is probably pretty slim, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially after the quote from our president I shared the other day about our status with a couple of conferences where one would assume FBS football would be mandatory from the get go, but it isn't.

But Wichita is not Houston and it never will be. It is the 65th market in the US which is a mid size market. I believe Tulsa is 60, New Orleans is 51 and Memphis is 50. There's a little gap there but it's not like we're way off.

There are a lot of factors that go into adding a school. I won't pretend to know all of them or how we fall. We would love to compete in the AAC. Time will tell if that ever happens or not.
NIU is coming off a 20+ win season in basketball and postseason play in the Vegas 16... not really atrocious basketball. We're definitely trending upward and have a phenomenal recruiting class coming in

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Really Stay Cool. ODU won the Vegas 16 and we don't brag about it.


WSU seems a no brainer for me. Guaranteed basketball credits and reputation from day one and a better national brand than most of the AAC now has. Again VCU isn't joining but WSU would and could actually increase the brand.
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(08-08-2016 04:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(08-08-2016 11:22 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 10:50 AM)SubGod22 Wrote:  
(08-04-2016 09:53 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  WHy not add them... let me take a crack

1. They would have one of the smallest markets in the entire AAC.
2. THey run 3rd in their tiny market
3. They dont have football and thats what makes money. Bball is minor in comparison, unless you are a bball only type league (see Big East)
4. There are much better options
5. See #4
1. We would be the smallest market just behind Tulsa, but I'm not sure I'd label it as a tiny market. Not huge by any means either. We have been getting more play in KC but I know that doesn't count.
2. False. We are number 1 in the Wichita metro. KSU is 2 and KU is 3 believe it or not.
3. We don't currently, but the basketball credits we would bring are nothing to sneeze at.
4. Not saying there are or aren't.

Who knows what we may end up doing in football down the road, but you'd immediately pick up a top 40 basketball program that'll add a few basketball credits to the conference just about every year and we have other strong Olympic sports. I know that's minor, but it helps the overall strength of a conference. Maybe the other schools you talk about do too. I admit I know very little about a number of schools I see mentioned on here.

I know Southern Miss used to be good, but haven't done much in either football or basketball lately. I also know they're in a much smaller market than Wichita.

I've seen Toledo mentioned. I think they have some solid athletics if I'm not mistaken. Not sure what kind of consistency they have as I've never looked at them in depth. Also a smaller market than Wichita.

NIU has had some good football no doubt. Their basketball is atrocious and I know there are schools in the AAC that still care about basketball. They may be in the Chicago market, but they're mostly irrelevant. That's not a knock on NIU, that's just how Chicago rolls. But I get that interest. That's why the MVC added Loyola and that's done nothing for Chicago exposure.

I get the Army love. Horrible athletics but it's Army.

I've seen Marshall mentioned. Slightly smaller market than Wichita. Have had some good success in football in the past. Have no clue how good they are currently. I've never heard anything about their basketball. Though I do know you don't care about basketball at all.

I've seen WKU brought up but not seriously. Good athletics, smaller market.

As I've said, I'm not out to bash others to try and make my school look better. Wichita gets brought up and I'll chime in. I've also said a number of times previously that us getting into the AAC straight from the MVC is probably pretty slim, but I don't think it's impossible. Especially after the quote from our president I shared the other day about our status with a couple of conferences where one would assume FBS football would be mandatory from the get go, but it isn't.

But Wichita is not Houston and it never will be. It is the 65th market in the US which is a mid size market. I believe Tulsa is 60, New Orleans is 51 and Memphis is 50. There's a little gap there but it's not like we're way off.

There are a lot of factors that go into adding a school. I won't pretend to know all of them or how we fall. We would love to compete in the AAC. Time will tell if that ever happens or not.
NIU is coming off a 20+ win season in basketball and postseason play in the Vegas 16... not really atrocious basketball. We're definitely trending upward and have a phenomenal recruiting class coming in

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WSU seems a no brainer for me. Guaranteed basketball credits and reputation from day one and a better national brand than most of the AAC now has. Again VCU isn't joining but WSU would and could actually increase the brand.

I wouldn’t say VCU is out of the question if the AAC reached out. The current A10 TV deals pays about 350K per year, was negotiates when Xavier and Butler were part of the conference and is due to expire about the same time the AAC deal does.

With the types of TV revenue numbers given to the MAC and CUSA it’s not a stretch to think that number most likely will go down. VCU’s profile will keep them out of the Big East and staying nationally relevant in basketball receiving less than 350K is going to become pretty difficult.

VCU may not be crazy about joining a football first conference, but with the TV exposure and potential for a considerable increase in revenue if the AAC calls I think it’s an option they will at least entertain.
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