http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...sion?s=518

(08-02-2016 10:25 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...sion?s=518

they have said in the Dallas Morning News that there will be a decision by the time the season starts

Presently, there seems to be some haggling over the final number . . . . Reportedly, many in the Big XII want 4 to maximize TV payout money. The Network they have their "deal" with is already starting to balk about the potential increased payout. Meanwhile, the Whorns want to keep it at 2. . . . .

Will be interesting to see how that plays out . .

Anything above 12 seems dumb for them. Almost none of the schools mentioned will "move the needle" more than anyone already in the league and TV obviously does not think that the candidates add much to the power of the brand.

Dissolve the Big 12 and distribute among the SEC, ACC, Big 10 and PAC 12 then dissolve the Awesome 5 as well as reshuffle to get to four leagues. That gives you a nice symmetrical FBS that works well when the playoffs expand.

Again, I am for anything that keeps Tiger High from getting an undeserved Big 12 bid.

Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

It makes sense to go to four because the league gets 20 million for every school added until 2025. That's an extra 80 million each year. The new schools will likely only get a fraction of the 80 million, so the money will be divided among the other schools.

(08-03-2016 09:46 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  It makes sense to go to four because the league gets 20 million for every school added until 2025. That's an extra 80 million each year. The new schools will likely only get a fraction of the 80 million, so the money will be divided among the other schools.

Yes but what happens after 2025? Will Texas & Oklahoma stay in the Big 12 after the GOR expires and the likely drop in TV payout?

(08-03-2016 09:46 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  It makes sense to go to four because the league gets 20 million for every school added until 2025. That's an extra 80 million each year. The new schools will likely only get a fraction of the 80 million, so the money will be divided among the other schools.

Makes no sense for the networks was my point. Even if the Big 12 exploits a poorly worded contract to squeeze money from the networks, the networks will remember that when it comes time to make their next decisions. None of the schools except maybe UConn and BYU stand a prayer of actually helping the networks generate enough revenue to overcome the increased payout.

Honestly, this seems kind of underhanded on the part of the Big 12.

(08-03-2016 09:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

Are we talking about the same Memphis basketball that finished 6th in the AAC last season?

Decent odds that Texas and a few others leave anyway. Getting 4 teams now and allowing them 8 years to develop may be the only thing that saves the big12. Otherwise it'll probably be picked apart and the scraps will have to move to the AAC or MWC. Get the money now, build up the new teams and prepare for a worse case scenario.

(08-03-2016 09:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

Premier basketball league? 2016 showed us how lousy the selection committee was in putting 7 B12 teams in the tournament. Then they all dropped like flies! Overrated basketball conference IMHO.

(08-03-2016 09:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

Are we talking about the same Memphis basketball that finished 6th in the AAC last season?

Pretty sure one season doesn't define a program. Anyone with common sense knows that Memphis is generally a strong bball program.

(08-03-2016 09:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

Are we talking about the same Memphis basketball that finished 6th in the AAC last season?

Yes, the same Memphis team that hasn't had a losing season (15-16) since 2000. The same Memphis team that has 10 NCAA appearances in that time and four NIT's. The same Memphis team that has 16 NCAA tourney win in that time frame and three sweet sixteen appearances. The same Memphis team that finished 30th in the NCAA in attendance with an average of 12,028 per game and 240,579 total.

And yes, the same Memphis team that UTA beat last year.

I really wish the Pac-12, the B1G, and the SEC would just put the Big 12 out of its misery.

(08-03-2016 11:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

Are we talking about the same Memphis basketball that finished 6th in the AAC last season?

Pretty sure one season doesn't define a program. Anyone with common sense knows that Memphis is generally a strong bball program.

Who freakin' cares?

(08-03-2016 06:34 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 11:33 AM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:44 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Cincinnati and Memphis (even BYU to some extent) going to the Big 12 may make that conference the premier basketball conference. Last year, the Big 12 was tied for first with seven teams making the tourney. By percentage, they had the highest amount of teams in. That translates to millions in NCAA tourney revenue. I'd also wager that would make the TV contract more valuable. Kansas v Memphis would carry value, just for example.

TV networks are pushing back cause the TV bubble is bursting. Cord cutters are accelerating and the traditional cable model is failing.

Nome of the teams are going to move the football needle. BYU carries some weight, but not a terribly large amount. Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis could be the next TCU, but none have hit that level that TCU had.

Are we talking about the same Memphis basketball that finished 6th in the AAC last season?

Pretty sure one season doesn't define a program. Anyone with common sense knows that Memphis is generally a strong bball program.

Who freakin' cares?

I think that's the same Memphis uta beat on their home court last year

(08-03-2016 09:50 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:46 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  It makes sense to go to four because the league gets 20 million for every school added until 2025. That's an extra 80 million each year. The new schools will likely only get a fraction of the 80 million, so the money will be divided among the other schools.

Yes but what happens after 2025? Will Texas & Oklahoma stay in the Big 12 after the GOR expires and the likely drop in TV payout?

what happens is that if the B12 adds any 4 also-rans from g5, texas and ou will become focused on leaving. it will be hard to convince their fans that any of those schools are an equal. the orange bloods will holler pac12 or indie.

^And yet, they still wont win a conference title in any of the major three mens sports.

(08-03-2016 11:22 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  ^And yet, they still wont win a conference title in any of the major three mens sports.

sweet huh ?