UNC has filed its response with the NCAA. They're saying it's all academic and the NCAA has no business doing anything about it. They think they should skate.

But maybe they're still negotiating:
Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 6m6 minutes ago

UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says in response to Q on self-imposed penalties:"in this case we're not there yet on self imposing any penalties."

(08-02-2016 12:55 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  UNC has filed its response with the NCAA. They're saying it's all academic and the NCAA has no business doing anything about it. They think they should skate.

But maybe they're still negotiating:
Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 6m6 minutes ago

UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says in response to Q on self-imposed penalties:"in this case we're not there yet on self imposing any penalties."

Good for Bubba......what a stupid question.

Not only is the question stupid, but Carolina is disputing the basis for the allegations;
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...llegations

(08-02-2016 01:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 12:55 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  UNC has filed its response with the NCAA. They're saying it's all academic and the NCAA has no business doing anything about it. They think they should skate.

But maybe they're still negotiating:
Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 6m6 minutes ago

UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says in response to Q on self-imposed penalties:"in this case we're not there yet on self imposing any penalties."

Good for Bubba......what a stupid question.

Not only is the question stupid, but Carolina is disputing the basis for the allegations;
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...llegations

If UNC can pull this off then they have provided a guide on how to get any student athlete eligible even if he can't even read or write their name.

Too bad they didn't put up this much fight against Baylor in the Russell Athletic Bowl...

(08-02-2016 10:24 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Too bad they didn't put up this much fight against Baylor in the Russell Athletic Bowl...

In a conversation with a defensive coach at Carolina last week, he said "Baylor was the best team we played last year".

(08-02-2016 10:09 PM)Cody6003 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 01:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 12:55 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  UNC has filed its response with the NCAA. They're saying it's all academic and the NCAA has no business doing anything about it. They think they should skate.

But maybe they're still negotiating:
Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 6m6 minutes ago

UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says in response to Q on self-imposed penalties:"in this case we're not there yet on self imposing any penalties."

Good for Bubba......what a stupid question.

Not only is the question stupid, but Carolina is disputing the basis for the allegations;
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...llegations

If UNC can pull this off then they have provided a guide on how to get any student athlete eligible even if he can't even read or write their name.

Exactly. This is a bold move but it indicates they have no choice but to play this hand. They must be guilty af. I understand it's academic, but if you had 20 years worth of fraudulent academics in order to create players eligible for NCAA competition, I don't know how you can draw that line and say it stops at academics. Hopefully this is resolved quickly.

(08-03-2016 07:24 AM)L-yes Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:09 PM)Cody6003 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 01:34 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 12:55 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  UNC has filed its response with the NCAA. They're saying it's all academic and the NCAA has no business doing anything about it. They think they should skate.

But maybe they're still negotiating:
Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 6m6 minutes ago

UNC AD Bubba Cunningham says in response to Q on self-imposed penalties:"in this case we're not there yet on self imposing any penalties."

Good for Bubba......what a stupid question.

Not only is the question stupid, but Carolina is disputing the basis for the allegations;
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carol...llegations

If UNC can pull this off then they have provided a guide on how to get any student athlete eligible even if he can't even read or write their name.

Exactly. This is a bold move but it indicates they have no choice but to play this hand. They must be guilty af. I understand it's academic, but if you had 20 years worth of fraudulent academics in order to create players eligible for NCAA competition, I don't know how you can draw that line and say it stops at academics. Hopefully this is resolved quickly.

Nope, just new leadership at the top that came in from outside, reviewed the situation and realized how ridiculous the entire situation had been.
The only thing that Carolina deserves from the NCAA is an apology.

(08-03-2016 07:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  The only thing that Carolina deserves from the NCAA is an apology.

TBH, what UNC deserves is to lose its academic accreditation. Of course, that won't happen. Nonetheless, this was clearly an unfair advantage to the program, so I wouldn't have any problem with NCAA sanctions if they decide to enforce them. Maybe even have the ACC tack on extra sanctions...

(08-03-2016 08:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 07:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  The only thing that Carolina deserves from the NCAA is an apology.

TBH, what UNC deserves is to lose its academic acreditation. Of course, that won't happen. Nonetheless, this was clearly an unfair advantage to the program, so I wouldn't have any problem with NCAA sanctions if they decide to enforce them. Maybe even have the ACC tack on extra sanctions...

I agree & to say that the NCAA owes NC an apology is delusional. NC is guilty & the NCAA will only come down harder on them.

You guys seem to forget that the NCAA jurisdiction is athletics and not academics. It is in their freaking bylaws and the charges are well passed the NCAA's own statue of limitations. What was it 4 years? Xlance is correct and apology is warranted. By the way, the accreditation organization placed UNC on probation last year and we meet all requirements to right whatever wrongs that occurred. As a result of meeting their demands, no further punishment was issued. The probation period ended in June. Guys, don't be like the tin foil hat group know as PackPride.

(08-03-2016 08:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 07:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  The only thing that Carolina deserves from the NCAA is an apology.

TBH, what UNC deserves is to lose its academic accreditation. Of course, that won't happen. Nonetheless, this was clearly an unfair advantage to the program, so I wouldn't have any problem with NCAA sanctions if they decide to enforce them. Maybe even have the ACC tack on extra sanctions...

UNC did receive probation but I think the classes in question are still considered valid
& that's where this case could get interesting.

(08-03-2016 08:58 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 07:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  The only thing that Carolina deserves from the NCAA is an apology.

TBH, what UNC deserves is to lose its academic accreditation. Of course, that won't happen. Nonetheless, this was clearly an unfair advantage to the program, so I wouldn't have any problem with NCAA sanctions if they decide to enforce them. Maybe even have the ACC tack on extra sanctions...

UNC did receive probation but I think the classes in question are still considered valid
& that's where this case could get interesting.

The probation was for improper benefits (Butch Davis/John Blake) for the football team and had nothing to do with AFAM.

Chapel Hill Community College has a nice ring to it...

(08-03-2016 08:40 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  You guys seem to forget that the NCAA jurisdiction is athletics and not academics. It is in their freaking bylaws and the charges are well passed the NCAA's own statue of limitations. What was it 4 years? Xlance is correct and apology is warranted. By the way, the accreditation organization placed UNC on probation last year and we meet all requirements to right whatever wrongs that occurred. As a result of meeting their demands, no further punishment was issued. The probation period ended in June. Guys, don't be like the tin foil hat group know as PackPride.

This does involve athletics. A fake class was invented to help keep athletes eligible. Let's be honest, that's cheating. It is true that non athletes were also taking the class which brought in the accreditation into questioning. It is delusional to say that the NCAA owes NC an apology for investigating the claims. I'm saying that NC response doesn't have some merit but it doesn't change the FACT that NC is guilty. I'm not clear on the NCAA rules on the statute of limitations but I can't believe that intentionally dragging an investigation out for so long means that you get to skate. The death penalty isn't warranted here, IMO, but a post season ban for basketball & football is. Take away a minimal number of scholarships from all sports involved & put NC on probation for a few years & call it resolved.

Like I said earlier this case could get real interesting. Not only do you the issue of whether the NCAA has the authority to dictate which classes are legal but also whether or nit you can punish a program without directly charging them with a offense. Then their's the 3 years of correspondence between themselves & UNC that they chose not to act on until the Wannestein report. I'm fairly confident that if the NCAA wants to use that report as their basis of punishment then this is headed to court

(08-03-2016 09:02 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:58 AM)mj4life Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:11 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 07:37 AM)XLance Wrote:  The only thing that Carolina deserves from the NCAA is an apology.

TBH, what UNC deserves is to lose its academic accreditation. Of course, that won't happen. Nonetheless, this was clearly an unfair advantage to the program, so I wouldn't have any problem with NCAA sanctions if they decide to enforce them. Maybe even have the ACC tack on extra sanctions...

UNC did receive probation but I think the classes in question are still considered valid
& that's where this case could get interesting.

I meant probabtiin by it accreditating agency
The probation was for improper benefits (Butch Davis/John Blake) for the football team and had nothing to do with AFAM.

(08-03-2016 09:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:40 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  You guys seem to forget that the NCAA jurisdiction is athletics and not academics. It is in their freaking bylaws and the charges are well passed the NCAA's own statue of limitations. What was it 4 years? Xlance is correct and apology is warranted. By the way, the accreditation organization placed UNC on probation last year and we meet all requirements to right whatever wrongs that occurred. As a result of meeting their demands, no further punishment was issued. The probation period ended in June. Guys, don't be like the tin foil hat group know as PackPride.

This does involve athletics. A fake class was invented to help keep athletes eligible. Let's be honest, that's cheating. It is true that non athletes were also taking the class which brought in the accreditation into questioning. It is delusional to say that the NCAA owes NC an apology for investigating the claims. I'm saying that NC response doesn't have some merit but it doesn't change the FACT that NC is guilty. I'm not clear on the NCAA rules on the statute of limitations but I can't believe that intentionally dragging an investigation out for so long means that you get to skate. The death penalty isn't warranted here, IMO, but a post season ban for basketball & football is. Take away a minimal number of scholarships from all sports involved & put NC on probation for a few years & call it resolved.

And there is the problem. I suggest you look at Unverified or actually read the actual 7 investigations. The false narrative was parroted so much that people believed it. There was no fake classes. The grading in that class was extremely lenient. You have no clue to what you are talking about for if you did, you would no that it wasn't an athletic issue.

(08-03-2016 11:01 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 09:38 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 08:40 AM)Indytarheel Wrote:  You guys seem to forget that the NCAA jurisdiction is athletics and not academics. It is in their freaking bylaws and the charges are well passed the NCAA's own statue of limitations. What was it 4 years? Xlance is correct and apology is warranted. By the way, the accreditation organization placed UNC on probation last year and we meet all requirements to right whatever wrongs that occurred. As a result of meeting their demands, no further punishment was issued. The probation period ended in June. Guys, don't be like the tin foil hat group know as PackPride.

This does involve athletics. A fake class was invented to help keep athletes eligible. Let's be honest, that's cheating. It is true that non athletes were also taking the class which brought in the accreditation into questioning. It is delusional to say that the NCAA owes NC an apology for investigating the claims. I'm saying that NC response doesn't have some merit but it doesn't change the FACT that NC is guilty. I'm not clear on the NCAA rules on the statute of limitations but I can't believe that intentionally dragging an investigation out for so long means that you get to skate. The death penalty isn't warranted here, IMO, but a post season ban for basketball & football is. Take away a minimal number of scholarships from all sports involved & put NC on probation for a few years & call it resolved.

And there is the problem. I suggest you look at Unverified or actually read the actual 7 investigations. The false narrative was parroted so much that people believed it. There was no fake classes. The grading in that class was extremely lenient. You have no clue to what you are talking about for if you did, you would no that it wasn't an athletic issue.

Were players encouraged to take those "lenient" classes? What was the ratio of athletes to non-athletes? How does that compare to the rest of the school?

Such hate from our dear conference mates! Come on guys, don't hate the playa .... you know the rest!

(08-03-2016 12:04 PM)samandrea Wrote:  Such hate from our dear conference mates! Come on guys, don't hate the playa .... you know the rest!

Then stop lying to your conference mates! Don't tell the rest of the ACC how have high the academic standards are at UNC, then secretly let just about anybody play...