Dawn of the 16 team Super-conference?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12s-sta...soc_trk=ma

Click bait. I saw that last night.

When the Big 12 drops to the #5 conference in football and mbb, then you have a story. They've been nowhere near that, even with a Texas team that has been lagging.

Not much room for AAC schools in that end game prediction..........unless the Vandy's, BC's, Wake Forest's, Cal's & Indiana's get kicked to the curb & that is very, very unlikely over the next 20 yrs.

Same doom and gloom predictions for the Big 12 like it was in 2010.

(08-02-2016 10:04 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Same doom and gloom predictions for the Big 12 like it was in 2010.

Except that it was the networks that saved the B12 back then; the very same networks that don't won't the B12 to expand right now.

This current situation resembles the Big East meltdown.

Here is a pretty good interview.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20160801_...nd-WEB.MP3

(08-02-2016 10:08 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:04 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Same doom and gloom predictions for the Big 12 like it was in 2010.

Except that it was the networks that saved the B12 back then; the very same networks that don't won't the B12 to expand right now.

This current situation resembles the Big East meltdown.

Here is a pretty good interview.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20160801_...nd-WEB.MP3

And it's the same networks that will save them again because the Big 12 is too valuable of a product to let fail. The Big 12 is exercising a clause in their TV deal and the only thing ESPN and Fox can do is voice their displeasure and ultimately decide not to re-up after the 2024-25 season. This is why all three parties will negotiate the current deal in place and disaster will be averted.....again.

Let be honest, where in the hell is Texas going to go with the Longhorn Network hanging around their neck? No other P5 conference is going to deal with that and Texas has already indicated they don't plan to get rid of it. The team that could ultimately break up the Big 12 is Oklahoma. But that's just my opinion.

(08-02-2016 10:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:08 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:04 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Same doom and gloom predictions for the Big 12 like it was in 2010.

Except that it was the networks that saved the B12 back then; the very same networks that don't won't the B12 to expand right now.

This current situation resembles the Big East meltdown.

Here is a pretty good interview.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20160801_...nd-WEB.MP3

And it's the same networks that will save them again because the Big 12 is too valuable of a product to let fail. The Big 12 is exercising a clause in their TV deal and the only thing ESPN and Fox can do is voice their displeasure and ultimately decide not to re-up after the 2024-25 season. This is why all three parties will negotiate the current deal in place and disaster will be averted.....again.

Let be honest, where in the hell is Texas going to go with the Longhorn Network hanging around their neck? No other P5 conference is going to deal with that and Texas has already indicated they don't plan to get rid of it. The team that could ultimately break up the Big 12 is Oklahoma. But that's just my opinion.

Oklahoma is the far more likely candidate to break up the B12. From its perspective it is doing everything right, but getting everything wrong in return. It's a blue blood program performing like one (unlike Texas), yet it's in the lowest revenue conference and revenue can't increase via conference network while the Longhorn Network is in the way. Any surprise Oklahoma has been a big proponent of expansion, the last viable route the conference has to increase revenue?

(08-02-2016 09:43 AM)L-yes Wrote:  Dawn of the 16 team Super-conference?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12s-sta...soc_trk=ma

There are posts here better than that article. Lazy journalism

(08-02-2016 10:36 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 09:43 AM)L-yes Wrote:  Dawn of the 16 team Super-conference?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/big-12s-sta...soc_trk=ma

There are posts here better than that article. Lazy journalism

Forde and Dodd don't know how to write... What's worse is they'll make obvious mistakes and base their arguments on something they either misunderstood or wasn't true in the first place.

Crap, thats a Forde article. Should have told us that before posting the link asholes. Glad I didn't click it...saved my 5 levels of stupid I'd have to get rid of...freaking Forde. He makes the twitter-sphere radio sports idiots look like geniuses.

(08-02-2016 11:08 AM)Puckhead48E Wrote:  Crap, thats a Forde article. Should have told us that before posting the link asholes. Glad I didn't click it...saved my 5 levels of stupid I'd have to get rid of...freaking Forde. He makes the twitter-sphere radio sports idiots look like geniuses.

He started out a decent writer. I think dodd, forde, etc get comfortable and lazy.

They've been predicting this 4-16 crap for years. It's not gonna happen unless the leagues are willing to work together to make it happen. Meaning the leagues are going to either have to trade teams to make things "even," or negotiate a joint TV deal and share the money NFL style. If it's going to remain every conference for themselves TV wise then they'll continue to fight for the most valuable pieces and try to raid each other chasing higher and higher dollars.

(08-02-2016 10:29 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:08 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:04 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Same doom and gloom predictions for the Big 12 like it was in 2010.

Except that it was the networks that saved the B12 back then; the very same networks that don't won't the B12 to expand right now.

This current situation resembles the Big East meltdown.

Here is a pretty good interview.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20160801_...nd-WEB.MP3

And it's the same networks that will save them again because the Big 12 is too valuable of a product to let fail. The Big 12 is exercising a clause in their TV deal and the only thing ESPN and Fox can do is voice their displeasure and ultimately decide not to re-up after the 2024-25 season. This is why all three parties will negotiate the current deal in place and disaster will be averted.....again.

Let be honest, where in the hell is Texas going to go with the Longhorn Network hanging around their neck? No other P5 conference is going to deal with that and Texas has already indicated they don't plan to get rid of it. The team that could ultimately break up the Big 12 is Oklahoma. But that's just my opinion.

Oklahoma is the far more likely candidate to break up the B12. From its perspective it is doing everything right, but getting everything wrong in return. It's a blue blood program performing like one (unlike Texas), yet it's in the lowest revenue conference and revenue can't increase via conference network while the Longhorn Network is in the way. Any surprise Oklahoma has been a big proponent of expansion, the last viable route the conference has to increase revenue?

Lowest? It's 3rd behind the SEC and B1G, per school.

(08-02-2016 11:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:29 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:08 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:04 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  Same doom and gloom predictions for the Big 12 like it was in 2010.

Except that it was the networks that saved the B12 back then; the very same networks that don't won't the B12 to expand right now.

This current situation resembles the Big East meltdown.

Here is a pretty good interview.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20160801_...nd-WEB.MP3

And it's the same networks that will save them again because the Big 12 is too valuable of a product to let fail. The Big 12 is exercising a clause in their TV deal and the only thing ESPN and Fox can do is voice their displeasure and ultimately decide not to re-up after the 2024-25 season. This is why all three parties will negotiate the current deal in place and disaster will be averted.....again.

Let be honest, where in the hell is Texas going to go with the Longhorn Network hanging around their neck? No other P5 conference is going to deal with that and Texas has already indicated they don't plan to get rid of it. The team that could ultimately break up the Big 12 is Oklahoma. But that's just my opinion.

Oklahoma is the far more likely candidate to break up the B12. From its perspective it is doing everything right, but getting everything wrong in return. It's a blue blood program performing like one (unlike Texas), yet it's in the lowest revenue conference and revenue can't increase via conference network while the Longhorn Network is in the way. Any surprise Oklahoma has been a big proponent of expansion, the last viable route the conference has to increase revenue?

Lowest? It's 3rd behind the SEC and B1G, per school.

My understanding was that it is behind the PAC as well. And while ahead of the ACC, that is set to change very shortly with the announcement regarding the ACC network. Regardless, my point still stands. Oklahoma has the biggest gripe in the room.

Edit, found a source: http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-m...?a=viewall

(08-02-2016 11:52 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 11:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:29 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:08 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Except that it was the networks that saved the B12 back then; the very same networks that don't won't the B12 to expand right now.

This current situation resembles the Big East meltdown.

Here is a pretty good interview.
http://kfanav.s3.amazonaws.com/20160801_...nd-WEB.MP3

And it's the same networks that will save them again because the Big 12 is too valuable of a product to let fail. The Big 12 is exercising a clause in their TV deal and the only thing ESPN and Fox can do is voice their displeasure and ultimately decide not to re-up after the 2024-25 season. This is why all three parties will negotiate the current deal in place and disaster will be averted.....again.

Let be honest, where in the hell is Texas going to go with the Longhorn Network hanging around their neck? No other P5 conference is going to deal with that and Texas has already indicated they don't plan to get rid of it. The team that could ultimately break up the Big 12 is Oklahoma. But that's just my opinion.

Oklahoma is the far more likely candidate to break up the B12. From its perspective it is doing everything right, but getting everything wrong in return. It's a blue blood program performing like one (unlike Texas), yet it's in the lowest revenue conference and revenue can't increase via conference network while the Longhorn Network is in the way. Any surprise Oklahoma has been a big proponent of expansion, the last viable route the conference has to increase revenue?

Lowest? It's 3rd behind the SEC and B1G, per school.

My understanding was that it is behind the PAC as well. And while ahead of the ACC, that is set to change very shortly with the announcement regarding the ACC network. Regardless, my point still stands. Oklahoma has the biggest gripe in the room.

Edit, found a source: http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-m...?a=viewall

That data is incorrect, or old, or measuring a different period, or different distribution. It says $25.3M per school. The Big 12 just distributed over $30.4M per school.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlairKerkhoff...9090555904

Plus, the Big 12 distribution is for Tier 1 and 2 only. It doesn't count Tier 3, which is included in all the other P5 distributions. For example, Texas makes about $15M a year, so their total is over $45M a year. OU takes in about $8M+. Several others take in $5-6M.

2014-2015 data. It's from Forbes and it is correct. I have not seen 2015-2016 side by side data.

(08-02-2016 07:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 11:52 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 11:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:29 AM)MickMack Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 10:20 AM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  And it's the same networks that will save them again because the Big 12 is too valuable of a product to let fail. The Big 12 is exercising a clause in their TV deal and the only thing ESPN and Fox can do is voice their displeasure and ultimately decide not to re-up after the 2024-25 season. This is why all three parties will negotiate the current deal in place and disaster will be averted.....again.

Let be honest, where in the hell is Texas going to go with the Longhorn Network hanging around their neck? No other P5 conference is going to deal with that and Texas has already indicated they don't plan to get rid of it. The team that could ultimately break up the Big 12 is Oklahoma. But that's just my opinion.

Oklahoma is the far more likely candidate to break up the B12. From its perspective it is doing everything right, but getting everything wrong in return. It's a blue blood program performing like one (unlike Texas), yet it's in the lowest revenue conference and revenue can't increase via conference network while the Longhorn Network is in the way. Any surprise Oklahoma has been a big proponent of expansion, the last viable route the conference has to increase revenue?

Lowest? It's 3rd behind the SEC and B1G, per school.

My understanding was that it is behind the PAC as well. And while ahead of the ACC, that is set to change very shortly with the announcement regarding the ACC network. Regardless, my point still stands. Oklahoma has the biggest gripe in the room.

Edit, found a source: http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/the-5-m...?a=viewall

That data is incorrect, or old, or measuring a different period, or different distribution. It says $25.3M per school. The Big 12 just distributed over $30.4M per school.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlairKerkhoff...9090555904

Plus, the Big 12 distribution is for Tier 1 and 2 only. It doesn't count Tier 3, which is included in all the other P5 distributions. For example, Texas makes about $15M a year, so their total is over $45M a year. OU takes in about $8M+. Several others take in $5-6M.

TripleA, what you said is basically what all these articles and talking heads seem to ignore about the Big12. They are the only conference that maintains their tier 3 rights but are compared to payouts from the other 4 conferences that are inclusive of those rights. So as you indicated Texas is set to make 45 million this year vs comparable conferences and the majority of the other members also have decent deals for tier 3 as well. so they don't give all the facts. The question is will they eventually fall behind and they might. Will their own network solve that? Who knows. The question is if the cable model changes will all of these conference networks make as much cash as they do now and if not will they survive. You just don't know.