From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.


If college sports fans, coaches or athletic directors were the ones deciding what schools should play in which conferences, the Broncos would be a strong candidate for the Big 12. Maybe even the strongest.

But university presidents make these decisions. And the strength of a school’s academic programs, real and perceived, matters. That’s where Boise State’s candidacy falls apart while the Rams rise top the top.

There’s no definitive way to rank a school’s academic programs. But those who have tried, Forbes and U.S. News & World Report, do not shine favorably on Boise State, which was a junior college from its founding in 1934 until 1965.


http://www.coloradoan.com/story/sports/c...um=twitter

Oh FFS. If the Big 12 cared about academics at all this round then Rice would be in instead of Houston.

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.

So how in the hell on earth is Houston a viable candidate ???

I don't think CSU is a serious candidate. I think academics counts in some situations, but it is never up there with money. I think Boise was close to being a FB only pick for the Big 12, along with BYU, until Houston made a push. Now Boise is out, UH in, and BYU will be all sports. I think Houston and Memphis are both headed to the Big 12, so if true, academics ain't that big a deal.

(07-31-2016 11:27 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Oh FFS. If the Big 12 cared about academics at all this round then Rice would be in instead of Houston.

The conclusion does not follow from the premise.

Academics can rule a school out of the running ... they can't pull a school into the running.

As to why CWUR/US-unranked out of 224 Boise State might be ruled out when CWUR/US-2016 #94, University of Houston would not be ... that would be because the University of Houston is considered to be a better school.

I think CSU is a strong candidate with an upward trajectory and people have a positive opinion of the university. Their culture is a perfect fit

(07-31-2016 12:09 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I don't think CSU is a serious candidate. I think academics counts in some situations, but it is never up there with money. I think Boise was close to being a FB only pick for the Big 12, along with BYU, until Houston made a push. Now Boise is out, UH in, and BYU will be all sports. I think Houston and Memphis are both headed to the Big 12, so if true, academics ain't that big a deal.

I think they are a serious candidate. Colorado has the second most big 12 alumni behind Texas. They seem to have a lot of support from fans of the big 12. We don't get to pick the teams sadly. They have the most potential I feel like.

(07-31-2016 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.

So how in the hell on earth is Houston a viable candidate ???

Performance and solid Tier1 academics---lol, along with a heaping scoop of political pressure.

(07-31-2016 12:26 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:27 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Oh FFS. If the Big 12 cared about academics at all this round then Rice would be in instead of Houston.

The conclusion does not follow from the premise.

Academics can rule a school out of the running ... they can't pull a school into the running.

As to why CWUR/US-unranked out of 224 Boise State might be ruled out when CWUR/US-2016 #94, University of Houston would not be ... that would be because the University of Houston is considered to be a better school.

Except nobody cares about the CWUR rankings. Like it or not, US News is what counts.

Rebuttal: Louisville to the ACC, the four favorites to go to the Big XII, Nebraska going to the B1G when everyone knew they were leaving the AAU.

(07-31-2016 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Rebuttal: Louisville to the ACC, the four favorites to go to the Big XII, Nebraska going to the B1G when everyone knew they were leaving the AAU.

Its a legit response. BTW---it aint Havard, but its not like Lousiville is some sort of near JC institution. Its a ranked #168 in USNWR. Its a pretty good school. Question---would the Big 10 have taken Nebraska if they were not AAU at the time? I don't think they would have.

(07-31-2016 12:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.

So how in the hell on earth is Houston a viable candidate ???

Performance and solid Tier1 academics---lol, along with a heaping scoop of political pressure.

Forgive me for being cynical, but if Houston gets a Big 12 bid, it will be the last thing you mentioned that does it, LOL.

(07-31-2016 12:43 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Rebuttal: Louisville to the ACC, the four favorites to go to the Big XII, Nebraska going to the B1G when everyone knew they were leaving the AAU.

Its a legit rebuttle. Question---would the Big 10 have taken Nebraska if they were not AAU at the time? I don't think they would have.

They would have. They all knew Nebraska was leaving the AAU since they were all members as well. Nebraska is a big name in CFB and thats what the B1G wanted. They use the idea of great academics when telling everyone why they picked who they picked but the truth is they picked the teams that would make them the most money. Same goes for Maryland and Rutgers. We made them the most money out of who they were looking at so we were taken.

(07-31-2016 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Rebuttal: Louisville to the ACC, the four favorites to go to the Big XII, Nebraska going to the B1G when everyone knew they were leaving the AAU.

I'm pretty sure Nebraska was kicked out a year after they accepted the big ten membership?

When they were invited they were still AAU and many think the big ten wasn't going to invite them if they weren't.

(07-31-2016 12:49 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 12:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Rebuttal: Louisville to the ACC, the four favorites to go to the Big XII, Nebraska going to the B1G when everyone knew they were leaving the AAU.

I'm pretty sure Nebraska was kicked out a year after they accepted the big ten membership?

When they were invited they were still AAU and many think the big ten wasn't going to invite them if they weren't.

Well since the Big KNEW they wrere getting kicked out I don;t buy that. Many can think what they want but once again every B1G school was a member of the AAU and knew Nebraska was about to be kicked out. It wasn't a great secret amongst the members. Nebraska is a big name Fb program that fits in the B1G footprint and fits the B1G like a glove in every other area. Thats why they were taken.

(07-31-2016 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.

So how in the hell on earth is Houston a viable candidate ???

When it comes to realignment, USNWR is meaningless. Those others do matter. College presidents think USNWR is a joke except that high school seniors read it and the other systems are mostly ignored by them.

USF is the highest rated of the candidates in WUR at 164.

Or, you know, you could take a look at the kind of people that go to these schools...

(07-31-2016 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.

So how in the hell on earth is Houston a viable candidate ???

Because in lieu of academics, UH has other attractive qualities that Texas...I mean other Big 12 Presidents like. That said, take away academics and it's still not a reach to think Colorado St. is just as an attractive of a candidate than Boise, Memphis, UH, etc.

(07-31-2016 12:46 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 12:38 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  From a Coloradoan article on how CSU became the target of choice from the MW over the more successful Boise.

So how in the hell on earth is Houston a viable candidate ???

Performance and solid Tier1 academics---lol, along with a heaping scoop of political pressure.

Forgive me for being cynical, but if Houston gets a Big 12 bid, it will be the last thing you mentioned that does it, LOL.

We'll take it anyway we can get it, actually it's academics driving what is happening in Texas and the pressure being applied to UT, Texas wants more Tier one universities and world class public universities and our Chancellor and President made the case behind the scenes for that to happen UH need to be in a P5 conference and a 150k political donation to the Govenors campaign by UH Chairman Fertitta, didn't hurt.