(07-31-2016 04:09 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it doesn't have much to do with the traditional names- but moreso on traditional offenses. Sorry but there are a lot of coaches who see the spread offense about the same as folks saw the run and shoot years ago.

And look at this year. Tom Osbourne is gone- but who replaces him? Lloyd Carr.

Another grind it out 3 yards and a cloud of dust Big 10 coach.

(07-31-2016 08:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, I think the folks that were in charge had MUCH more of an issue with Oklahoma St not getting a chance in 2011 than Alabama getting in. Having 4 is probably the best case scenario. a lot tougher for #5 to complain than it was #3 to complain.

Is it? Just remember #4 won in year one. Who's to say #5 wouldn't have won. My preference is send the conference champs. That way it's all decided on the field.

(07-31-2016 06:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 08:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, I think the folks that were in charge had MUCH more of an issue with Oklahoma St not getting a chance in 2011 than Alabama getting in. Having 4 is probably the best case scenario. a lot tougher for #5 to complain than it was #3 to complain.

Is it? Just remember #4 won in year one. Who's to say #5 wouldn't have won. My preference is send the conference champs. That way it's all decided on the field.

I just think the way things are now- folks would have had a lot more problem with Alabama missing out than Wisconsin missing out that year. I don't think it'll go conference champs only unless we got to a P4 situation. And that's unlikely now.

How the BCS formula’s endless self-tinkering influenced the College Football Playoff
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...la-history

I still think there should be 8. Either pick the Top 8 ranked teams or the conference winners from the P-5 schools, the top G-5 team, and two wild cards.

(06-09-2018 11:04 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  I still think there should be 8. Either pick the Top 8 ranked teams or the conference winners from the P-5 schools, the top G-5 team, and two wild cards.

I think that would be the most ideal and fair way to have an actual championship. We are slowly morphing into common sense in the CFB world, but it sure is taking a long time

CFP 4 til around 2025:

"The television broadcast rights to all six CFP bowls and the National Championship are owned by ESPN through at least the 2025 season.[59] ESPN then reached 12-year agreements to retain rights to the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, and Sugar Bowl following the dissolution of the Bowl Championship Series.[60] In November 2012, ESPN reached a 12-year deal to broadcast the remaining three bowls, the championship game, as well as shoulder programming such as ranking shows; as a whole, the contract is valued at around $470 million per year, or nearly $5.7 billion for the life of the contract.[61]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...oadcasting

CFP 6 (2026 - 2035): 10 years
--> top 6
OR
--> p5 conference champs + top ranked g5

-->play in games - cfp #3 vs #6; cfp #4 vs #5

CFP 8 (2036 - 2043): 8 years
--> top 8
OR
--> p5 conference champs + top ranked g5 + two at-large

(07-31-2016 08:53 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 08:39 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The playoff was never needed. It was just a money grab. The only problem with the BCS was access for G5 members.

Wrong. The playoff was needed and it showed in the very first playoff. The BCS would have been FSU vs Alabama in the title game. Both of those schools lost in the semifinal game.

Good point.

(07-31-2016 10:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 09:08 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or maybe the playoff committee and these computer polls got it wrong and most of the others got it right. TCU was rated ahead of Ohio St. in most computer polls. Ohio St. was rated behind Alabama and Oregon in almost all the polls.

Actually, if you look at all the computers, Ohio State was consensus Top 4 in 2014.

So was TCU.

Who was 5th? 13-0 defending National Champion Florida St.

... which IMO showed the value of having the human element. Yes, FSU didn't look dominant in 2014, time and again Jameis Winston had to pull off miracle comebacks to keep them unbeaten and they seemed to get lucky every other week.

But bottom line is they did keep winning, and an undefeated (and IIRC, the only undefeated P5 team), defending national champ FSU with the Heisman Trophy winner from the year before simply *had* to be included in the playoffs.

(07-31-2016 06:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 08:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, I think the folks that were in charge had MUCH more of an issue with Oklahoma St not getting a chance in 2011 than Alabama getting in. Having 4 is probably the best case scenario. a lot tougher for #5 to complain than it was #3 to complain.

Is it? Just remember #4 won in year one. Who's to say #5 wouldn't have won. My preference is send the conference champs. That way it's all decided on the field.

Except ... just because something is decided on the field doesn't mean it isn't perverse, because the methods for picking conference champs are far from perfect, and the immediate impact would be to make OOC games worthless, which should be more important than conference games in determining playoff worthiness.

E.g., in the AAC, Houston could go 12-0, with wins over two good OOC teams like say a high ranked Louisville and Oklahoma of a couple years ago. USF could go 8-4, with losses to terrible OOC teams. But if USF went 8-0 in the conference, they'd win their division, and if they then beat Houston in the AAC title game, you'd have a 9-4 USF team in the playoffs over a 12-1 Houston team.

That would be pretty crazy.

Iam good with that, as long as it’s decided on the field

Should be 8 teams. That's only 6% of FBS schools and only about 12.5% if you only include P5 schools.

Put another way, a 4 team "Playoff" is only 3% of teams that ostensibly have a chance to play in it. If the NFL did that the playoffs would consist of 1 team.

Far from making the regular season less important, you need more teams in college football because you have a lot less information to go by in determining the best teams. Basically, the teams in each conference really just play each other, and then in OOC maybe 1 other P5 school, a couple G5 schools, and an FCS school. That's very little info to go on.

(06-09-2018 11:48 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  CFP 4 til around 2025...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Fo...oadcasting

CFP 8 (2036 - 2043): 8 years
--> p5 conference champs + top ranked g5 + two at-large

Give me 5 P5 champs + top G5 + 2 at-large. Nothing less will do.

(06-11-2018 10:45 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Should be 8 teams. That's only 6% of FBS schools and only about 12.5% if you only include P5 schools.

Put another way, a 4 team "Playoff" is only 3% of teams that ostensibly have a chance to play in it. If the NFL did that the playoffs would consist of 1 team.

Far from making the regular season less important, you need more teams in college football because you have a lot less information to go by in determining the best teams. Basically, the teams in each conference really just play each other, and then in OOC maybe 1 other P5 school, a couple G5 schools, and an FCS school. That's very little info to go on.

This is a VERY salient point! STRONG POST!

(07-31-2016 10:22 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 09:08 AM)bullet Wrote:  Or maybe the playoff committee and these computer polls got it wrong and most of the others got it right. TCU was rated ahead of Ohio St. in most computer polls. Ohio St. was rated behind Alabama and Oregon in almost all the polls.

Actually, if you look at all the computers, Ohio State was consensus Top 4 in 2014.

So was TCU.

Who was 5th? 13-0 defending National Champion Florida St.

And the bowl results supported that. But how do you leave out an unbeaten conference champion?

Still got folks using TCU in the 2014 argument. Small problem, they weren't the big 12 champ, Baylor was. And Baylor had a putrid OOC SOS. That's why it was completely valid for Ohio St to be in the playoff over Baylor(and TCU).

I do not like the committee, it gives the appearance of impropriety and favoritism even if/when none exits. I would much rather use the old BCS system and take the top 4 from that (or 8) to seed the playoff. Everything is visible, the mechanisms for the rankings are known, and people can schedule accordingly.

(06-09-2018 12:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 06:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 08:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Yeah, I think the folks that were in charge had MUCH more of an issue with Oklahoma St not getting a chance in 2011 than Alabama getting in. Having 4 is probably the best case scenario. a lot tougher for #5 to complain than it was #3 to complain.

Is it? Just remember #4 won in year one. Who's to say #5 wouldn't have won. My preference is send the conference champs. That way it's all decided on the field.

Except ... just because something is decided on the field doesn't mean it isn't perverse, because the methods for picking conference champs are far from perfect, and the immediate impact would be to make OOC games worthless, which should be more important than conference games in determining playoff worthiness.

E.g., in the AAC, Houston could go 12-0, with wins over two good OOC teams like say a high ranked Louisville and Oklahoma of a couple years ago. USF could go 8-4, with losses to terrible OOC teams. But if USF went 8-0 in the conference, they'd win their division, and if they then beat Houston in the AAC title game, you'd have a 9-4 USF team in the playoffs over a 12-1 Houston team.

That would be pretty crazy.

But acceptable---because UCF would have earned their way to the CFP by defeating the better team "on paper" in front of thousand of witnesses (and millions on TV). In fine with that. In fact---thats what sports is. If we knew who would win the games---sports wouldnt be very interesting. As long as the action plays out on the field--I dont think anyone can really argue with the outcome. Putting a bunch of big cigars in a behind closed doors and letting them decide outcomes is the polar opposite of letting things play out on the field in broad daylight in front of the nations fans.

(06-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Still got folks using TCU in the 2014 argument. Small problem, they weren't the big 12 champ, Baylor was. And Baylor had a putrid OOC SOS. That's why it was completely valid for Ohio St to be in the playoff over Baylor(and TCU).

Incorrect. TCU and Baylor were co-champs.

(06-15-2018 10:32 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 11:02 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Still got folks using TCU in the 2014 argument. Small problem, they weren't the big 12 champ, Baylor was. And Baylor had a putrid OOC SOS. That's why it was completely valid for Ohio St to be in the playoff over Baylor(and TCU).

Incorrect. TCU and Baylor were co-champs.

Yeah, but in the committee's mind, Baylor was more of the true champion than TCU was because they won the head to head matchup. Baylor was the one who was compared more to Ohio St than TCU was- and that wasn't close due to the putrid OOC schedule.

(07-31-2016 08:19 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Here's an interesting fact.

Over the last two years, three of the six BCS computer polls (Anderson-Hester, Billingsley & Colley Matrix) have:

1. Gotten all four playoff teams right both years
2. Ranked Boise in 2014 and Houston in 2015 as the best G5 teams

The same is true for the USA Today Coaches Poll.

Only a handful of other 117 ranking systems in the Massey Composite can say the same:

DeSimone
Hatch
Knight
Laz Index
Loudsound
Morgan
MJS Standings
MvG Sports
Phelan Power
Random Walker FL
Real Time RPI
Welch

On the Colley Matrix site, he updates a simulated BCS poll each week, with the AP replacing Harris. It not only got all 4 playoff teams right both years plus the best G5 team, it got all the matchups right (and almost all the seeds exactly right, except it switched the seeding in the Oregon/Florida St 2-3 semifinal in 2014).

Out of that list, most disagreed with the Playoff Committee on the Top 4. The only ones who agreed:

MvG Sports
Billingsley
DeSimone

Controversial year.

Colley, which had gone 12 for 12 on playoff teams in the first three years, had UCF as national champs.