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NDSU bans non-paying media from its athletics
http://www.Deadspin.com

NDSU is saying this is common practice. But the ABC stations and a related radio and newspaper company in ND built the NDSU media coverage, and the rights to it have been granted to the NBC stations this year. All live blogging, interviews, showing extended highlights etc on campus have been banned except for those paying rights fees.

Quite the mess NDSU unleashed.
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(07-30-2016 08:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.Deadspin.com

NDSU is saying this is common practice. But the ABC stations and a related radio and newspaper company in ND built the NDSU media coverage, and the rights to it have been granted to the NBC stations this year. All live blogging, interviews, showing extended highlights etc on campus have been banned except for those paying rights fees.

Quite the mess NDSU unleashed.

If they pay for access, you can't boot them out.
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(07-30-2016 08:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.Deadspin.com

NDSU is saying this is common practice. But the ABC stations and a related radio and newspaper company in ND built the NDSU media coverage, and the rights to it have been granted to the NBC stations this year. All live blogging, interviews, showing extended highlights etc on campus have been banned except for those paying rights fees.

Quite the mess NDSU unleashed.

This sounds like the current and future state of college football.
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Tons of misinformation in that article. Mostly because the only source were the people who were pissed off.

Three TV and three radio companies bid on the rights. NDSU used a point system to evaluate the bids (don't know particulars). Possible 200pts.

TV:
189 KVLY (NBC affiliate)
??? Midcontinent (ND/SD/MN/WI cable company with it's own sports channel)
100 WDAY-TV (ABC affiliate and the complainer)

Radio:
167 Radio FM
145 KFGO
83 WDAY-AM (complainer again)

Here's the actual media policy. Seems pretty standard for this day and age.
http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/go...elines.pdf

And NDSU's statement: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cope_taUAAAmPaD.jpg
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For those who care to know, Hammersmith is basically the Wedge of NDSU's fan message board.

You can pretty much take any factual post he makes as gospel.


Hammer - first post here in two years! I hope you post more, if this kind of thing interests you.
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(07-30-2016 11:28 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  Tons of misinformation in that article. Mostly because the only source were the people who were pissed off.

Three TV and three radio companies bid on the rights. NDSU used a point system to evaluate the bids (don't know particulars). Possible 200pts.

TV:
189 KVLY (NBC affiliate)
??? Midcontinent (ND/SD/MN/WI cable company with it's own sports channel)
100 WDAY-TV (ABC affiliate and the complainer)

Radio:
167 Radio FM
145 KFGO
83 WDAY-AM (complainer again)

Here's the actual media policy. Seems pretty standard for this day and age.
http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/go...elines.pdf

And NDSU's statement: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cope_taUAAAmPaD.jpg

After looking into this a bit, it looks like people aren't pissed about WDAY not getting the contract, their pissed that the 2 media guys covering since NDSU pre DI, especially Kolpack who's family has been covering NDSU for 50 years in paper, was cut out and and now has limited access. Hell, the guy just wrote a homer book about NDSU and his reward...kicked to the curb for $. Sounds pretty bush league to me.

I can't really reference any other schools but the two non media partners journalist in Wichita, Paul Sullentrop and Bob Lutz from the Eagle, are given a ton of access. They can interview coaches, blog from the arena etc. Lutz in particular isn't always the best friend of Shocker athletics.
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(07-31-2016 11:50 AM)Shox Wrote:  After looking into this a bit, it looks like people aren't pissed about WDAY not getting the contract, their pissed that the 2 media guys covering since NDSU pre DI, especially Kolpack who's family has been covering NDSU for 50 years in paper, was cut out and and now has limited access. Hell, the guy just wrote a homer book about NDSU and his reward...kicked to the curb for $. Sounds pretty bush league to me.

I can't really reference any other schools but the two non media partners journalist in Wichita, Paul Sullentrop and Bob Lutz from the Eagle, are given a ton of access. They can interview coaches, blog from the arena etc. Lutz in particular isn't always the best friend of Shocker athletics.

The problem is in the misunderstandings that ForumComm is pushing.

Background for everyone unaware of names:
Forum Communications(ForumComm) is a Fargo-based media company that owns many newspapers, a radio station, and a TV station with some repeater stations.
Jeff Kolpack is the Fargo Forum sportswriter covering NDSU athletics. He also guests on some radio shows. Dom Izzo is the sports director for WDAY-TV as well as hosting a WDAY-AM radio segment and guesting on other radio shows. Together, they host a weekly radio show and run the Bison Media Blog.


There seem to be three major misunderstandings going around.

First(and maybe most importantly), is the misunderstanding of the word 'interview' in the new media guidelines. People(like yourself) seem to think that Kolpack and Izzo are no longer going to be able to talk at all with Chris Klieman(FB) or Dave Richman(MBB). That's not the case. If Kolpack wants to talk to CK, he can do it just as before. He can even record the conversation to make sure he gets the quotes correct. What he can't do is take that recording and broadcast it on the radio or post the audio on the internet. Same goes for Izzo. He can interview CK and quote him on the 10pm news, but he can't roll the video. And they have to ask first to schedule the interview, but that's nothing new.

Second, the pregame tailgate show. Kolpack and Izzo have a pregame show on their blog that they have broadcasted from the Fargodome parking lot. They have done this even though their company did not have the media rights. This directly competes with the pregame show from the official radio and TV media partners. Starting this year, they are still free to have the show, they just can't do it from the Fargodome or the parking lot. Go across the street to the BWW. Or use the Fargo Air Museum next door.

Finally, the live blog. After the pregame show is done, Kolpack and Izzo would go inside the Fargodome pressbox and run a live chat on their blog during the game. That doesn't have to change. What they can't do is a continuous play by play of the game. That really shouldn't be an issue. They can still describe big plays, talk about what they see, keep up on injury situations, give score and time updates, etc. They just can't give updates every play. Is that really such a big deal? I'd rather use live stats for that level of detail anyway.


A few other things are restricting highlight video to three minutes per newscast. Limiting live reporting from the facility on game day to a 10min segment. No live broadcasts from the facility from 30min before gametime until the event is over. No live broadcasting of weekly press conferences(recordings for later showings are fine). Assistant coach interviews for broadcast are limited to 10min and no callers are allowed.


I just don't see where this is the giant issue that some are making it out to be. Dom and Jeff are fantastic at their jobs, but they work for a company that tries to have their cake and eat it too. They lowballed the bid thinking they could get much of the benefit without any of the cost. Well, that gravy train is over. It sucks that Dom and Jeff are caught in the middle, but the blame lies most on ForumComm. It doesn't help that Jeff gets super emotional about this stuff and takes it personally. This is about the fourth or fifth time he's cried about something that NDSU has don't that he didn't like. I've personally gotten tired of it.
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(07-31-2016 09:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For those who care to know, Hammersmith is basically the Wedge of NDSU's fan message board.

You can pretty much take any factual post he makes as gospel.


Hammer - first post here in two years! I hope you post more, if this kind of thing interests you.

But your posts are full of BS so why should we believe this guy when it could just as easily be you. Also not going to listen to homers when its a story about your school.
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(07-31-2016 01:12 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-31-2016 09:36 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For those who care to know, Hammersmith is basically the Wedge of NDSU's fan message board.

You can pretty much take any factual post he makes as gospel.


Hammer - first post here in two years! I hope you post more, if this kind of thing interests you.

But your posts are full of BS so why should we believe this guy when it could just as easily be you. Also not going to listen to homers when its a story about your school.

Well, them's fighting words right there.

One of the reasons I've only lurked here for years is because MplsBison and NoDak are two of my least favorite posters. Their method of "arguing" drives me up a wall. The other reason is that I just don't have that much to contribute. I was watching to see if this story was going to hit this board because I'm interested in your take and how different NDSU's new guidelines are from other schools. But not interested enough to post until NoDak started a thread. Can't let him get by with doing his regular thing of completely misstating what's actually going on.
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....... Bwahahahaha!! Don't have much to contribute???? Do you even read the posts here??? You'd be an all-star poster here. Like I said, similar to Wedge in that you'd post far too little, and only when you thought it "appropriate". You're a watcher and a reader, and don't think you have anything to add. You're exactly the people who should be speaking up. Sorry - but exactly what's wrong with this country: the people who try to learn first and talk second rarely actually speak up. They let the people who speak first and think second do almost all the talking. /rant

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I understand not allowing broadcast from campus.
Live blog, meh how many people really sit through an entire live blog if they have options?
Most everyone requires you to go through the SID to set up one-on-one interviews 365 days a year with players and during season with coaches. Usually do their best to accommodate requests. Never heard of it requiring written consent.

Never heard on barring live stream of press conferences.
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I don't read the Fargo paper, but my naive guess is that Kolpack and Izzo felt like they were the official voice of the Bison, with fans loyal to them, and so couldn't/can't be replaced.

Guess we'll see.
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(07-31-2016 03:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I don't read the Fargo paper, but my naive guess is that Kolpack and Izzo felt like they were the official voice of the Bison, with fans loyal to them, and so couldn't/can't be replaced.

Guess we'll see.

There a real melt down on bison forums. Most of them are livid, but Hammersmith takes his stand by defending NDSU at all costs, regardless of the corruption or morality at stake.

The newspaper involved was a big defender of NDSU's president who oversteps his bounds routinely with the state board and legislature. Can't imagine this will end well for him. The Bizon faithful at at each others throats, with the lead Bizon cheerleader/journalist Kolpack leading the charge against NDSU athletics. Couldn't dream of a better scenario.
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(07-31-2016 03:15 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I understand not allowing broadcast from campus.
Live blog, meh how many people really sit through an entire live blog if they have options?
Most everyone requires you to go through the SID to set up one-on-one interviews 365 days a year with players and during season with coaches. Usually do their best to accommodate requests. Never heard of it requiring written consent.

Never heard on barring live stream of press conferences.

Kolpack has done a live blog ever since the internet started. A lot of bizon are on their smart phones watching TV or at the game because they wants Kolpack take on things. This is direct attack on Kolpack, who also writes daily about them, and a TV personality, Dom Izzo, who hosts shows about NDSU. The new TV and radio contracts want their new personalities to take off and limit the old guard's access.
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NoDak, thank you for starting this thread on NDSU. This is where college athletics is headed as programs try to become more self sustaining. NDSU is again being a leader in the state, region and nation in regards to FCOA and now this. UND, not so much.
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Can someone re-link the specific article? It no longer sits on the front page of Deadspin, that I can see.
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I don't know if people here are too interested in a peripheral story only affecting a specific, smaller school. Probably don't need to proliferate it any longer.
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If this is common, can someone point me to three (3) other similarly restrictive policies within the FCS ranks? I don't have time to look for myself.

On another forum discussing this a poster called "bison73" posted this: "From what I understand is WDAY-Foolum were offerded the rights. They said fine they would pay the money but if you dont win 8 games you start paying us. The negotiations went down hill from there."

That would seem to say that the guys and company most familiar with NDSU Athletics knows their investment value would drop significantly were NDSU not maintain their current level of success. (I know a former NDSU booster, TeamMaker, that called Fargo the worst bandwagon town in the Midwest. I challenged him on that pointing out MSP.)
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(07-31-2016 12:36 PM)Hammersmith Wrote:  
(07-31-2016 11:50 AM)Shox Wrote:  After looking into this a bit, it looks like people aren't pissed about WDAY not getting the contract, their pissed that the 2 media guys covering since NDSU pre DI, especially Kolpack who's family has been covering NDSU for 50 years in paper, was cut out and and now has limited access. Hell, the guy just wrote a homer book about NDSU and his reward...kicked to the curb for $. Sounds pretty bush league to me.

I can't really reference any other schools but the two non media partners journalist in Wichita, Paul Sullentrop and Bob Lutz from the Eagle, are given a ton of access. They can interview coaches, blog from the arena etc. Lutz in particular isn't always the best friend of Shocker athletics.

The problem is in the misunderstandings that ForumComm is pushing.

Background for everyone unaware of names:
Forum Communications(ForumComm) is a Fargo-based media company that owns many newspapers, a radio station, and a TV station with some repeater stations.
Jeff Kolpack is the Fargo Forum sportswriter covering NDSU athletics. He also guests on some radio shows. Dom Izzo is the sports director for WDAY-TV as well as hosting a WDAY-AM radio segment and guesting on other radio shows. Together, they host a weekly radio show and run the Bison Media Blog.


There seem to be three major misunderstandings going around.

First(and maybe most importantly), is the misunderstanding of the word 'interview' in the new media guidelines. People(like yourself) seem to think that Kolpack and Izzo are no longer going to be able to talk at all with Chris Klieman(FB) or Dave Richman(MBB). That's not the case. If Kolpack wants to talk to CK, he can do it just as before. He can even record the conversation to make sure he gets the quotes correct. What he can't do is take that recording and broadcast it on the radio or post the audio on the internet. Same goes for Izzo. He can interview CK and quote him on the 10pm news, but he can't roll the video. And they have to ask first to schedule the interview, but that's nothing new.

Second, the pregame tailgate show. Kolpack and Izzo have a pregame show on their blog that they have broadcasted from the Fargodome parking lot. They have done this even though their company did not have the media rights. This directly competes with the pregame show from the official radio and TV media partners. Starting this year, they are still free to have the show, they just can't do it from the Fargodome or the parking lot. Go across the street to the BWW. Or use the Fargo Air Museum next door.

Finally, the live blog. After the pregame show is done, Kolpack and Izzo would go inside the Fargodome pressbox and run a live chat on their blog during the game. That doesn't have to change. What they can't do is a continuous play by play of the game. That really shouldn't be an issue. They can still describe big plays, talk about what they see, keep up on injury situations, give score and time updates, etc. They just can't give updates every play. Is that really such a big deal? I'd rather use live stats for that level of detail anyway.


A few other things are restricting highlight video to three minutes per newscast. Limiting live reporting from the facility on game day to a 10min segment. No live broadcasts from the facility from 30min before gametime until the event is over. No live broadcasting of weekly press conferences(recordings for later showings are fine). Assistant coach interviews for broadcast are limited to 10min and no callers are allowed.


I just don't see where this is the giant issue that some are making it out to be. Dom and Jeff are fantastic at their jobs, but they work for a company that tries to have their cake and eat it too. They lowballed the bid thinking they could get much of the benefit without any of the cost. Well, that gravy train is over. It sucks that Dom and Jeff are caught in the middle, but the blame lies most on ForumComm. It doesn't help that Jeff gets super emotional about this stuff and takes it personally. This is about the fourth or fifth time he's cried about something that NDSU has don't that he didn't like. I've personally gotten tired of it.

So local media can't interview the head coach after a big win or after spring practice, to get his take on things and air it on the evening news? What is NDSU going to do if they make it back to the Dance and Dan Patrick wants to interview the head basketball coach? This seems a Little insane.
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My guess is Dan Patrick's production team would contact NDSU's athletic dept to schedule the video-recorded interview, the interview would be conducted, and the interview would be distributed per whatever agreement was in place.

Apparently, what can't happen (now) is for a writer to record an interview for the purpose of a written article and then upload the recording to the internet.


There must be tiers to the thing, like written, audio-only (radio distribution), and video (TV or internet), and the different tiers cost different amounts for access. But I'm making that up, I don't have the exact details.
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