(07-31-2016 02:32 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

Really? By that argument, so is Georgetown.

I would be all for a G'town/Navy hybrid. Navy FB and G'town all other sports.

(08-02-2016 12:35 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 02:36 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 06:39 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:13 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:01 AM)mj4life Wrote:  The issue with UConn to the ACC is really simple & that's convincing FSU/CU/NCSU/GT & the U that they bring enough value to offset the lack of recruiting territory in football. You just can't ignore that everything past NJ can be recruited without expending a whole lot of resources & is already covered with existing membership.

So that's the reason they weren't invited in 2011? Not the lawsuit and BC's chronic red-a$$?

BC wouldn't have effected the vote one way or another. There were and as far as I know are enough schools who feel that no matter the positives elsewhere that UConn football is too much of a black hole to be a benefit. If you are willing to pick your campus up and move it to say Youngstown, Ohio or Pearl, Mississippi things might change somewhat.

But we have been through this multiple times before and you still believe the urban myth that BC blackballed you so I have probably wasted my time again.

Urban myth, otherwise known as reporting directly from the source:

http://archive.boston.com/sports/college...cc/?page=3

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...5-iQJMrI1g

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...aab,wp5260

http://articles.courant.com/2011-10-11/n...san-herbst

Calhoun vowed not to schedule BC, but somehow BC has forgiven and scheduled a series in FB with UCONN. Maybe if the two schools play in the sandbox enough, they will be conference mates again.

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He had no power over football scheduling, his comments were about bball. They've played once, possibly twice, since Coach Calhoun retired.

(08-02-2016 08:15 AM)chess Wrote:  Notre Dame would love to have one of their 5 ACC commitment games to involve Navy. I don't see how this benefits the ACC.

Say the ACC adds Navy in football only and UConn in all sports. You're at 16-members, Notre Dame keeps the Navy game every year and you're down to 15 members in the 5 game agreement so you can setup three 5-team pods for Notre Dame to schedule around then 16 teams for the basketball tournament etc.

(08-02-2016 11:00 PM)Realignment Wrote:  

(08-02-2016 08:15 AM)chess Wrote:  Notre Dame would love to have one of their 5 ACC commitment games to involve Navy. I don't see how this benefits the ACC.

Say the ACC adds Navy in football only and UConn in all sports. You're at 16-members, Notre Dame keeps the Navy game every year and you're down to 15 members in the 5 game agreement so you can setup three 5-team pods for Notre Dame to schedule around then 16 teams for the basketball tournament etc.

Last I heard, even with joining the AAC, CBS owns the TV rights through 2018 for the annual Army-Navy game and Navy's home games against ND.

Not sure what would happen with the Army-Navy game in a Navy to ACC for football only scenario. That singular game could very well remain untouched (separate from the ACC TV contract and open to the highest bidder) by the theory that Navy would likely never play in the ACCCG anyway.

However, I think the ACC and ESPN would very much want the every other year home game against ND to be part of their TV package and that it be in addition to what they currently have since it is an annual game unlike the other ACC/ND games. Not sure the Irish would care since their NBC contract is unaffected and it doesn't impose any additional burden on them outside of the "perception" that they in essence become a 6/8ths (or 75%) of an ACC football team.

Still, I think the football schools in the ACC would object to UConn, though I as a fan, wouldn't mind. I, myself, prefer WVU but UConn is fine with me.

Cheers,
Neil

With the ACC Network starting, UConn becomes very attractive because of Men's & Women's basketball being an anchor to the network. It's about getting the cable subscribers to pony up for the network which they would for top-flight basketball on the channel.

As for the TV contracts in football, once Navy's deal is up it would be picked up into the ACC contract. The Army/Navy game is coming up soon and I'm sure that ESPN would love to have that game over CBS, which is quite possible, it's an attractive game to have especially with GameDay being able to host it.

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Pitt is already in the Philly market

Uh, what?

I agree. Lol Temple would be a nice addition to the ACC as well if the chips fall the right way for them but I doubt it'll happen.

No one can fault us for having a long-term goal. As great as it would be right now, it's not a race. We're continuing to improve in all facets as a university so that we're in a better position in the future.

(08-03-2016 02:28 PM)Realignment Wrote:  I agree. Lol Temple would be a nice addition to the ACC as well if the chips fall the right way for them but I doubt it'll happen.

By chips I assume you mean actually developing a football program and a fanbase?

(08-03-2016 02:22 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Pitt is already in the Philly market

Uh, what?

Evidently Temple does not teach reading comprehension - here's the entire post you cherry picked:

"Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc.[i] Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.[/i]"






There is this small city in North Carolina called Charlotte. The television stations in Charlotte broadcast to Charlotte, but also as far and the Virginia/TN state line in NW NC and along the northern tier of counties in SC all the way to the big peach in Gaffney. There are about 1.5 million in core metro, and about 2.5 million give or take in the DMA.

The TV stations in Charlotte broadcast shows that their customers want to advertise on and therefore they buy this thing called "ads". Charlotte TV stations broadcast UNC, Clemson, NC State, SC, Duke, Wake Forest, and ECU football and basketball games. Clemson and SC are in the State of SC. The DMA is in North and South Carolina and the folks in the DMA see both NC and SC schools.

It's 150 miles to Chapel Hill and 175 miles to Raleigh from Charlotte.

Essentially your argument is that broadcasters in Philadelphia do not show Pitt's football and basketball games because Pitt is located in Pittsburgh. My argument is that you are full of **** and that Pitt's games, as evidenced by ABC/ESPN broadcast maps, are shown in Philly and therefore also seen in NJ.

Pitt doesn't have to be the top draw in the Philly market. That draw is Penn State, but Penn State can't be on TV 40 hours a week.

The ACC is in the Philadelphia market because Pittsburgh is in Pennsylvania. Get it?

I've never seen a Pitt game on, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

(08-03-2016 04:44 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-03-2016 02:22 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:21 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Pitt is already in the Philly market

Uh, what?

Evidently Temple does not teach reading comprehension - here's the entire post you cherry picked:

"Temple and UConn don't add that much to ESPN markets already hit by Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Duke, etc.[i] Pitt is already in the Philly market, the same way that UNC-Chapel Hill and NC State and Clemson are in Charlotte. You have to look at the DMA's. I also don't expect voluntary sign ups - just full carriage like the SECN. ACC basketball, and Notre Dame will carry most of the load in the NE that is not carried by BC, Syracuse, and Pitt.

The ACC's not going to add within the current media footprint with the exception of a special deal for Navy or in case Penn State, Georgia, Florida, or Kentucky suddenly feel they are unhappy where they are.

For those wondering these are the following DMA's for various schools, outside of what the ACC already covers with another school:

Navy - 1,230,000 million households in Baltimore and Salisbury MD DMA, however, they are already accustomed to ACC sports, especially basketball.

UConn - 1,000,000 households - Hartford, everything else around Hartford is covered.

West Virginia - 680,000 households - both panhandles and Bluefield already covered by a Pitt, VT, and UVa

Temple, zilch = Philly covered by Pitt and ND. If they have market penetration into Baltimore, that would be their only addition to the ACC.

The ACC can add more DMA footprint with Tulane in Louisiana and Biloxi/Gulfport - 1,772,0000, and for those thinking that Iowa State might not have a home of the B12 blows up, Iowa State has 1,813,000
and includes Iowa, the Quad Cities, Omaha, and Souix Falls DMA's.

And remember, no addition has to be the first, the second, or the third top draw in the market to make money since there are 30 college football hours to fill each week and 40 or more basketball hours.[/i]"






There is this small city in North Carolina called Charlotte. The television stations in Charlotte broadcast to Charlotte, but also as far and the Virginia/TN state line in NW NC and along the northern tier of counties in SC all the way to the big peach in Gaffney. There are about 1.5 million in core metro, and about 2.5 million give or take in the DMA.

The TV stations in Charlotte broadcast shows that their customers want to advertise on and therefore they buy this thing called "ads". Charlotte TV stations broadcast UNC, Clemson, NC State, SC, Duke, Wake Forest, and ECU football and basketball games. Clemson and SC are in the State of SC. The DMA is in North and South Carolina and the folks in the DMA see both NC and SC schools.

It's 150 miles to Chapel Hill and 175 miles to Raleigh from Charlotte.

Essentially your argument is that broadcasters in Philadelphia do not show Pitt's football and basketball games because Pitt is located in Pittsburgh. My argument is that you are full of **** and that Pitt's games, as evidenced by ABC/ESPN broadcast maps, are shown in Philly and therefore also seen in NJ.

Pitt doesn't have to be the top draw in the Philly market. That draw is Penn State, but Penn State can't be on TV 40 hours a week.

The ACC is in the Philadelphia market because Pittsburgh is in Pennsylvania. Get it?

Repeat after me:

Pitt has no presence in the Philadelphia market. None.

You do not know what you are talking about. ND has a fair presence, but much less than NYC.

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