(07-30-2016 05:51 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:18 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The premise of this thread "what happens if UH doesn't get in" and as I said the answer is nothing.

What? Are you going to demand the legislature punish UT and TTU for not trying hard enough? Demand they exit the B12 and form a new SWC with UH?

No.

They will say "we tried" UH will pout and claim conspiracy and we'll all move on.

You're correct. Nothing. From a coog perspective this is the best shot we've had since the SWC and the timing for us isn't too bad. For any school left behind this go around, if it truly does happen, will feel the pain. The desperation for those candidates can be found in every thread on here. (OP included). I do concede we have more than our fair share of obnoxious posters.

Yes. Desperation can be found with most of us. Aresco announcing that several schools are leaving is not want I want to hear unless ECU is one of them. Hey, I'd love for ECU to stay in the AAC long term with this current line up. It's the best conference line up we've been a part of. Even better than 01-04 (CUSA) that had Louisville and TCU because there is less dead weight and Navy, Temple and UCF are good east coast football schools now. It's 3 or 4 schools leaving like what happened with the big east raid a decade ago that has me agitated and concerned. Why does that make me "obnoxious" to you?

Cheers!

I'm with you. The AAC has been fun.

I wasn't calling you obnoxious. I pointed that out as a reason to why your generalizations about UH fans are wrong.

(07-30-2016 02:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:14 PM)connecticutguy Wrote:  Maybe UConn will get asked to join ACC at the last minute, given the planned ACC TV channel and the many advantages of having UConn as part of the network.

I've read about UCONN fans saying if the AAC loses 3, and the ACC doesn't invite them that they'll go Indy and try to rejoin the BE because they'll make more $.
Cheers!

Those fans are morons and it's completely insane to even entertain thoughts like that.

(07-30-2016 03:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a Louisville fan we have been on both sides of expansion annoucements; from the lowest lows to the highest highs. Every time this happens I am happy for those selected and sad for those not chosen or left behind.

The truth is nothing is over until the ink is dry on the paper. Advice from someone with a 1-1 record: don't get to high and don't get to low. I know it's easier said then done but that's what you have to do.
CJ

Coming from a fan of a school that is 0-2 in these things, this is the absolute death knell for UCONN athletics. Every time something like this comes up a ready made excuse to exclude UCONN is at the ready for anyone willing to use it.

2011: the lawsuit and BC being a red-a$$

2012: the lawsuit and FSU/Clemson/BC (allegedly) being a red-a$$

2016: TBD

(07-30-2016 03:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What's funny is that the reaction once the University of Texas President and everyone else started showing their support.

For some reason, there's a segment that takes issue with Houston going back to the level they were at for years. IF Houston gets the invited, it's just righting a wrong. UH shouldn't have been left out of the Big 12 in the first place.

UH was in the Big 12 for 20 seasons

in the last 14 of those seasons (70% of the time) UH had 9 losing seasons, 4 winning seasons and one tie season

in the last 5 seasons (25% of the time) UH won a combined 12 games in those 5 seasons

they were playing in the Astrodome because they refused to do anything with their on campus stajium and they went from Phi Slamma Jamma to Phi Don't Care

UH had their chance and they took that chance to get in and then put it on coast and watch everyone else pull away and leave them behind

you are now "owed" anything by a conference or conference members that are looking out for THEIR best interest first as they should while you sit around and watch your program languish

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

this is really not true at all the vast majority of politicians that are concerned about the UT-Houston deal are not concerned at all about what UH thinks they are concerned about their belief that the money the UT System is spending on the project could instead be spent on the UT System university in their area of the state

the couple of politicians that are from Houston that are pretending to care are just worthless losers that jump on anything they feel they can pander towards to get a few votes in the future

if and or when it was shown that the UT-Houston project would be a major benefit to their area and or those they pander to for votes they would come out in support of that project as fast as possible even if the UH administration was still 100% against it

Yawn. I see the Internet at the trailer park is working again.

(07-30-2016 04:30 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:25 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Why does there need to be a UT-houston, they are too many school's as is?

there are too many universities in Texas already that is for sure, but unfortunately most of those universities are either not in Houston or they are not a university that will ever amount to much if they are in Houston and thus they should not get funded to improve they should be shut down or they should be ask to meet their stated "mission" (that is you TSU and UHD)

and UT-Houston is not slated to offer undergrad degree programs at this time or most likely well into the future

it will be a research focused campus with goals and a mission unlike what any current Houston universities offer or are task with (or are capable of for some of them)

Jeez.. Can you even read a newspaper? If you want people to think you are smarter than senators then you have to at least know the basic facts.

The proposed UT-Houston "research campus" has no know purpose at this date. All it has is a fact finding committee that will analyze the needs of the community and the opportunities available. From that point, UT will define and develop a plan for what it will be. What it will or will not offer is completely unknown. McRaven has clearly stated he doesn't know what it will be or what it will offer. But of course, Dat Der Todd already knows more than the president and founder of UT-Houston.

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

Interesting you want to dump Baylor when Baylor was one of your advocates

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(07-30-2016 03:59 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 03:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What's funny is that the reaction once the University of Texas President and everyone else started showing their support.

For some reason, there's a segment that takes issue with Houston going back to the level they were at for years. IF Houston gets the invited, it's just righting a wrong. UH shouldn't have been left out of the Big 12 in the first place.

UH was in the Big 12 for 20 seasons

in the last 14 of those seasons (70% of the time) UH had 9 losing seasons, 4 winning seasons and one tie season

in the last 5 seasons (25% of the time) UH won a combined 12 games in those 5 seasons

they were playing in the Astrodome because they refused to do anything with their on campus stajium and they went from Phi Slamma Jamma to Phi Don't Care

UH had their chance and they took that chance to get in and then put it on coast and watch everyone else pull away and leave them behind

you are now "owed" anything by a conference or conference members that are looking out for THEIR best interest first as they should while you sit around and watch your program languish

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

this is really not true at all the vast majority of politicians that are concerned about the UT-Houston deal are not concerned at all about what UH thinks they are concerned about their belief that the money the UT System is spending on the project could instead be spent on the UT System university in their area of the state

the couple of politicians that are from Houston that are pretending to care are just worthless losers that jump on anything they feel they can pander towards to get a few votes in the future

if and or when it was shown that the UT-Houston project would be a major benefit to their area and or those they pander to for votes they would come out in support of that project as fast as possible even if the UH administration was still 100% against it

Well that's news to me.

He meant SWC

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(07-30-2016 07:40 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

Interesting you want to dump Baylor when Baylor was one of your advocates

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Baylor backs Tulsa?

(07-30-2016 04:42 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  You act like politics are unique to this situation. Governor Mark Warner was heavily involved in Virginia Tech's ACC invitation.
As was Governor Ann Richard's with Baylor's invitation.
Its just life. It has very little to do with individual schools picking favorites. That's not what goes in to these decisions.

Good lord, stop the Ann Richards crap...she didn't do a damn thing.

Bob Bullock is who got Baylor (undergrad) and Tech (grad) in. Ann Richards was a Baylor alum in name only.

(07-30-2016 04:42 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  You act like politics are unique to this situation. Governor Mark Warner was heavily involved in Virginia Tech's ACC invitation.
As was Governor Ann Richard's with Baylor's invitation.
Its just life. It has very little to do with individual schools picking favorites. That's not what goes in to these decisions.

Good lord, stop the Ann Richards crap...she didn't do a damn thing.

Bob Bullock is who got Baylor (undergrad) and Tech (grad) in. Ann Richards was a Baylor alum in name only.

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(07-30-2016 07:54 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 07:40 PM)bearforce Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

Interesting you want to dump Baylor when Baylor was one of your advocates

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Baylor backs Tulsa?

Sorry I thought you were a coog, but hey you got Montgomery from us so be grateful.

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(07-30-2016 07:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 03:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a Louisville fan we have been on both sides of expansion annoucements; from the lowest lows to the highest highs. Every time this happens I am happy for those selected and sad for those not chosen or left behind.

The truth is nothing is over until the ink is dry on the paper. Advice from someone with a 1-1 record: don't get to high and don't get to low. I know it's easier said then done but that's what you have to do.
CJ

Coming from a fan of a school that is 0-2 in these things, this is the absolute death knell for UCONN athletics. Every time something like this comes up a ready made excuse to exclude UCONN is at the ready for anyone willing to use it.

2011: the lawsuit and BC being a red-a$$

2012: the lawsuit and FSU/Clemson/BC (allegedly) being a red-a$$

2016: TBD

The lawsuit had very little if anything to do with it. First, Pitt was the big angry mouth behind that suit. Second, the BC AD stated very well why he blackballed UConn. He didn't want to compete against them. He wanted New England for BC.

That's basically the end of it.

FSU and Louisville wanted to stick it to the basketball schools with more of a football school in 2013.

(07-30-2016 09:15 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 07:19 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 03:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  As a Louisville fan we have been on both sides of expansion annoucements; from the lowest lows to the highest highs. Every time this happens I am happy for those selected and sad for those not chosen or left behind.

The truth is nothing is over until the ink is dry on the paper. Advice from someone with a 1-1 record: don't get to high and don't get to low. I know it's easier said then done but that's what you have to do.
CJ

Coming from a fan of a school that is 0-2 in these things, this is the absolute death knell for UCONN athletics. Every time something like this comes up a ready made excuse to exclude UCONN is at the ready for anyone willing to use it.

2011: the lawsuit and BC being a red-a$$

2012: the lawsuit and FSU/Clemson/BC (allegedly) being a red-a$$

2016: TBD

The lawsuit had very little if anything to do with it. First, Pitt was the big angry mouth behind that suit. Second, the BC AD stated very well why he blackballed UConn. He didn't want to compete against them. He wanted New England for BC.

That's basically the end of it.

FSU and Louisville wanted to stick it to the basketball schools with more of a football school in 2013.

I know that, but that's never stopped the ACC from trotting out the lawsuit as the reason to keep us out. Never mind that that excuse (lawsuit) died in 2011. They'll keep bringing it out of mothballs to justify whatever flimsy excuse they need to screw over UCONN.

(07-30-2016 02:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:18 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If Houston DOES NOT get invited to the Big 12 I have two observations:
1. It will be met with total shock, followed by rage. All my Coog friends expect UH to get in very soon. It's a done deal. Imminent. If it doesn't happen they will go bat **** crazy & be talking about voting out all these pro-Houston "Big 12 or else" politicians.
2. We will see how much power the Houston Coog fans really have as we watch to see if those politicians get reelected after talking big to "cover their butts." Yeah there's other issues, but to Coog football fans this trumps all.
Cheers!

Why would Houston fans be mad at the politicians that supported their efforts to get invited to the B12?

Houston fans expect to get invited.
Texas politicians have declared: "No Houston, No Big 12 expansion"
Big 12 expansion happens and Houston DOES NOT get invited.
Houston fans go ape sh!t
Houston fans go after the Texas politicians who didn't back up their UH to B12 talk.
Did you even read my post Kenny D?
Cheers!

The politicians can't make those promises at all. It is not the state of Texas that decides on who they vote in. The other 6 none Texas schools will vote no on Houston. Plus, Houston does not add anything to the conference. Big 12 needs more territory which means to add from other states.

(07-31-2016 01:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 02:18 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If Houston DOES NOT get invited to the Big 12 I have two observations:
1. It will be met with total shock, followed by rage. All my Coog friends expect UH to get in very soon. It's a done deal. Imminent. If it doesn't happen they will go bat **** crazy & be talking about voting out all these pro-Houston "Big 12 or else" politicians.
2. We will see how much power the Houston Coog fans really have as we watch to see if those politicians get reelected after talking big to "cover their butts." Yeah there's other issues, but to Coog football fans this trumps all.
Cheers!

Why would Houston fans be mad at the politicians that supported their efforts to get invited to the B12?

Houston fans expect to get invited.
Texas politicians have declared: "No Houston, No Big 12 expansion"
Big 12 expansion happens and Houston DOES NOT get invited.
Houston fans go ape sh!t
Houston fans go after the Texas politicians who didn't back up their UH to B12 talk.
Did you even read my post Kenny D?
Cheers!

The politicians can't make those promises at all. It is not the state of Texas that decides on who they vote in. The other 6 none Texas schools will vote no on Houston. Plus, Houston does not add anything to the conference. Big 12 needs more territory which means to add from other states.

Sorry DavidSt, you must go back and edit your post. You forgot to pimp Boise St. to the Big XII.

I don't know why people aren't falling in line with your argument for Boise St. Why in the world would the Big XII add a fine academic institution in one of the nation's largest cities when they can claim the whole state of Idaho?
/sarcasmoff