(07-30-2016 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If Houston DOES NOT get invited to the Big 12 I have two observations:
1. It will be met with total shock, followed by rage. All my Coog friends expect UH to get in very soon. It's a done deal. Imminent. If it doesn't happen they will go bat **** crazy & be talking about voting out all these pro-Houston "Big 12 or else" politicians.
2. We will see how much power the Houston Coog fans really have as we watch to see if those politicians get reelected after talking big to "cover their butts." Yeah there's other issues, but to Coog football fans this trumps all.
Cheers!

Yeah, well the non-Texas schools could care less. It's not their state and Texas ain't gonna be able to strong arm them.

(07-30-2016 01:49 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  If Houston DOES NOT get invited to the Big 12 I have two observations:
1. It will be met with total shock, followed by rage. All my Coog friends expect UH to get in very soon. It's a done deal. Imminent. If it doesn't happen they will go bat **** crazy & be talking about voting out all these pro-Houston "Big 12 or else" politicians.
2. We will see how much power the Houston Coog fans really have as we watch to see if those politicians get reelected after talking big to "cover their butts." Yeah there's other issues, but to Coog football fans this trumps all.
Cheers!

1) How many fans does UH actually have?

2) Isn't Houston in the 5th Ward? If so - have every one of your fans call CONGRESS WOMANNNN Shelia Jackson Leigh (sp?). I hear she has pull.

Good Luck - Houston should be in based on performance but there are at least 12-15 other non power conference universities that can say the same thing.

(07-30-2016 03:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What's funny is that the reaction once the University of Texas President and everyone else started showing their support.

For some reason, there's a segment that takes issue with Houston going back to the level they were at for years. IF Houston gets the invited, it's just righting a wrong. UH shouldn't have been left out of the Big 12 in the first place.

UH was in the Big 12 for 20 seasons

in the last 14 of those seasons (70% of the time) UH had 9 losing seasons, 4 winning seasons and one tie season

in the last 5 seasons (25% of the time) UH won a combined 12 games in those 5 seasons

they were playing in the Astrodome because they refused to do anything with their on campus stajium and they went from Phi Slamma Jamma to Phi Don't Care

UH had their chance and they took that chance to get in and then put it on coast and watch everyone else pull away and leave them behind

you are now "owed" anything by a conference or conference members that are looking out for THEIR best interest first as they should while you sit around and watch your program languish

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

this is really not true at all the vast majority of politicians that are concerned about the UT-Houston deal are not concerned at all about what UH thinks they are concerned about their belief that the money the UT System is spending on the project could instead be spent on the UT System university in their area of the state

the couple of politicians that are from Houston that are pretending to care are just worthless losers that jump on anything they feel they can pander towards to get a few votes in the future

if and or when it was shown that the UT-Houston project would be a major benefit to their area and or those they pander to for votes they would come out in support of that project as fast as possible even if the UH administration was still 100% against it

Well that's news to me.

(07-30-2016 03:59 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 03:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What's funny is that the reaction once the University of Texas President and everyone else started showing their support.

For some reason, there's a segment that takes issue with Houston going back to the level they were at for years. IF Houston gets the invited, it's just righting a wrong. UH shouldn't have been left out of the Big 12 in the first place.

UH was in the Big 12 for 20 seasons

in the last 14 of those seasons (70% of the time) UH had 9 losing seasons, 4 winning seasons and one tie season

in the last 5 seasons (25% of the time) UH won a combined 12 games in those 5 seasons

they were playing in the Astrodome because they refused to do anything with their on campus stajium and they went from Phi Slamma Jamma to Phi Don't Care

UH had their chance and they took that chance to get in and then put it on coast and watch everyone else pull away and leave them behind

you are now "owed" anything by a conference or conference members that are looking out for THEIR best interest first as they should while you sit around and watch your program languish

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

this is really not true at all the vast majority of politicians that are concerned about the UT-Houston deal are not concerned at all about what UH thinks they are concerned about their belief that the money the UT System is spending on the project could instead be spent on the UT System university in their area of the state

the couple of politicians that are from Houston that are pretending to care are just worthless losers that jump on anything they feel they can pander towards to get a few votes in the future

if and or when it was shown that the UT-Houston project would be a major benefit to their area and or those they pander to for votes they would come out in support of that project as fast as possible even if the UH administration was still 100% against it

Well that's news to me.

it has been reported several times

the one main politician from Austin specifically ask in the senate higher ed hearings if the money that the UT System was spending in Houston could instead be better spent in Austin (where he is elected from)

another couple of politicians said they had heard from at least 4 other UT System schools that wondered if the money could not be better spent on their school

the laughable aspect to the concern from other UT System schools is that money would never be available for their school it would either be available for UT Austin of for something that UT Austin wants to do outside of Austin

those other schools are going to get the funding that the formula funds allow for and after that any other money left over is not going to be available to them and the only way to change that would be a constitutional amendment that is not going to happen

it is sad those in the Texas senate and those contacting those senators from other UT System schools do not even understand the funding mechanisms and where the money is coming from and who it would be available to and who it would NOT be available to, but that is the state of politics across the USA unfortunately

and the politicians right in the UH area that are "concerned" are nobodies and can be bought off with bread crumbs and trinkets and beads if even that is required

There's going to be a fan base that gets a nut kick. The question is who?

Why does there need to be a UT-houston, they are too many school's as is?

(07-30-2016 04:25 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Why does there need to be a UT-houston, they are too many school's as is?

there are too many universities in Texas already that is for sure, but unfortunately most of those universities are either not in Houston or they are not a university that will ever amount to much if they are in Houston and thus they should not get funded to improve they should be shut down or they should be ask to meet their stated "mission" (that is you TSU and UHD)

and UT-Houston is not slated to offer undergrad degree programs at this time or most likely well into the future

it will be a research focused campus with goals and a mission unlike what any current Houston universities offer or are task with (or are capable of for some of them)

You coog fans keep assuming that TCU and BU have to kiss the ring like UT and TTU do.

False.

There is nothing the state of Texas has to either give or threaten a private school.

The few public dollars we are associated with are Federal, not state.

You act like politics are unique to this situation. Governor Mark Warner was heavily involved in Virginia Tech's ACC invitation.
As was Governor Ann Richard's with Baylor's invitation.
Its just life. It has very little to do with individual schools picking favorites. That's not what goes in to these decisions.

(07-30-2016 04:42 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  You act like politics are unique to this situation. Governor Mark Warner was heavily involved in Virginia Tech's ACC invitation.
As was Governor Ann Richard's with Baylor's invitation.
Its just life.

True. They were not as bold as saying and I quote, "No Houston, no Big 12 expansion." That is bold.
Cheers!

(07-30-2016 04:44 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:42 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  You act like politics are unique to this situation. Governor Mark Warner was heavily involved in Virginia Tech's ACC invitation.
As was Governor Ann Richard's with Baylor's invitation.
Its just life.

True. They were not as bold as saying and I quote, "No Houston, no Big 12 expansion." That is bold.
Cheers!

As it pertains to Texas, its their sandbox. Period. If they don't want to play, there is no conference.
If it were a TCU, then it would be bold.

(07-30-2016 03:45 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 03:26 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 03:13 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  So what?

UT and TT and all the TX politicians have covered their asses by publically claiming to support UH.

But that support cannot force the 6 other votes UH needs when the others simply don't want SWC 2.0

The state of TX does not own or run the B12 conference.

Assuming that the Texas schools vote together, they do in fact control who gets in. They could just reject any combination of schools that doesn't include UH.

It's likely that none of the candidates would get 8/10, outside of maybe BYU. Whoever gets in will be a result of a compromise. Therefore, the Texas schools say give us Houston, and they'll give the Iowa State's and West Virginia's someone they want.

Leave the TCU/Aggie fan boy spin out of it, and take the facts at face value.

Keep in mind that the premise of the OP was that some schools did, in fact, get 8/10 votes and that Houston was not one of those schools. UT and Texas Tech could knuckle under to the Lt Governor and still not win the day.

Maybe Texas doesn't compromise. Maybe they say we'd rather stay at 10 than add the schools you want. But that wasn't the premise of the OP.

Ken, My premise is that every Houston fan I know thinks UH has already been accepted to the Big 12 based on some of things prominent people are leaking and boldly claiming. I'm not sure if Houston has the 8 out of 10 votes. I'm just observing that my Coog friends think it's already a done deal and if that turns out to be NOT TRUE? Oh crap....
Cheers!

They think it's a done deal every off season

(07-30-2016 04:52 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  They think it's a done deal every off season

Not like this. Nothing like this.

Cheers!

I can assure you most uh fans are well aware of how TX politics work. We are also hoping for, but not expecting, an invite. Most of us are proud of the strides we've made in the last ten years and some may even feel we "deserve" the golden ticket, but as you all know "deserves" got nothing to do with this round of expansion. "Deserve" doesn't even have anything to do with the makeup of some of the current P5.

The premise of this thread "what happens if UH doesn't get in" and as I said the answer is nothing.

What? Are you going to demand the legislature punish UT and TTU for not trying hard enough? Demand they exit the B12 and form a new SWC with UH?

No.

They will say "we tried" UH will pout and claim conspiracy and we'll all move on.

(07-30-2016 04:55 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  I can assure you most uh fans are well aware of how TX politics work. We are also hoping for, but not expecting, an invite. Most of us are proud of the strides we've made in the last ten years and some may even feel we "deserve" the golden ticket, but as you all know "deserves" got nothing to do with this round of expansion. "Deserve" doesn't even have anything to do with the makeup of some of the current P5.

Oh I know "deserve has nothing to do with it" William Muney. This is a terrible situation where some schools want to play but aren't allowed in the country club.
Cheers!

(07-30-2016 03:21 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 01:54 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  What's funny is that the reaction once the University of Texas President and everyone else started showing their support.

For some reason, there's a segment that takes issue with Houston going back to the level they were at for years. IF Houston gets the invited, it's just righting a wrong. UH shouldn't have been left out of the Big 12 in the first place.

UH was in the Big 12 for 20 seasons

in the last 14 of those seasons (70% of the time) UH had 9 losing seasons, 4 winning seasons and one tie season

in the last 5 seasons (25% of the time) UH won a combined 12 games in those 5 seasons

they were playing in the Astrodome because they refused to do anything with their on campus stajium and they went from Phi Slamma Jamma to Phi Don't Care

UH had their chance and they took that chance to get in and then put it on coast and watch everyone else pull away and leave them behind

you are now "owed" anything by a conference or conference members that are looking out for THEIR best interest first as they should while you sit around and watch your program languish

(07-30-2016 02:08 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Apparently for any public higher institution to offer a satellite campus in the city of Houston, it must be approved by the University of Houston. That is one of the main reasons why both TTech officials as well as Univ of Texas R in favor of allowing Houston in the Big 12, so Houston will agree to allow branch/satellite TTEch/Univ of Texas campus's in the city of Houston.

Personally, I wish the Big 12 would have the "Kahunas" 2 dump Baylor, add Houston then go for 2 more schools to get to 12. But it, Won't happen!

this is really not true at all the vast majority of politicians that are concerned about the UT-Houston deal are not concerned at all about what UH thinks they are concerned about their belief that the money the UT System is spending on the project could instead be spent on the UT System university in their area of the state

the couple of politicians that are from Houston that are pretending to care are just worthless losers that jump on anything they feel they can pander towards to get a few votes in the future

if and or when it was shown that the UT-Houston project would be a major benefit to their area and or those they pander to for votes they would come out in support of that project as fast as possible even if the UH administration was still 100% against it

Is that you jml2010???

(07-30-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The premise of this thread "what happens if UH doesn't get in" and as I said the answer is nothing.

What? Are you going to demand the legislature punish UT and TTU for not trying hard enough? Demand they exit the B12 and form a new SWC with UH?

No.

They will say "we tried" UH will pout and claim conspiracy and we'll all move on.

You're correct. Nothing. From a coog perspective this is the best shot we've had since the SWC and the timing for us isn't too bad. For any school left behind this go around, if it truly does happen, will feel the pain. The despairation for those candidates can be found in every thread on here. (OP included). I do concede we have more than our fair share of obnoxious posters.

(07-30-2016 05:18 PM)gcoogs Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 05:06 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The premise of this thread "what happens if UH doesn't get in" and as I said the answer is nothing.

What? Are you going to demand the legislature punish UT and TTU for not trying hard enough? Demand they exit the B12 and form a new SWC with UH?

No.

They will say "we tried" UH will pout and claim conspiracy and we'll all move on.

You're correct. Nothing. From a coog perspective this is the best shot we've had since the SWC and the timing for us isn't too bad. For any school left behind this go around, if it truly does happen, will feel the pain. The desperation for those candidates can be found in every thread on here. (OP included). I do concede we have more than our fair share of obnoxious posters.

Yes. Desperation can be found with most of us. Aresco announcing that several schools are leaving is not want I want to hear unless ECU is one of them. Hey, I'd love for ECU to stay in the AAC long term with this current line up. It's the best conference line up we've been a part of. Even better than 01-04 (CUSA) that had Louisville and TCU because there is less dead weight and Navy, Temple and UCF are good east coast football schools now. It's 3 or 4 schools leaving like what happened with the big east raid a decade ago that has me agitated and concerned. Why does that make me "obnoxious" to you?

Cheers!