(07-31-2016 11:49 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That's a fans view point (and as a fan, I agree). Im just saying university presidents are different. They are HIGHLY influenced by the academic profile of a candidate (more so than by its on the field performance). As I was reminded in a recent private message, while academics is important to presidents---for the most part, money will be the number one driver of realignment decisions. Academics would be a distant second to the influence of money. But when the money is roughly even (as it will be among all the AAC replacement candidates not named Army), then academics can become a major factor for the presidents (if not THE deciding factor).

And investing $250M into a new stadium spells institutional commitment.

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(07-31-2016 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:58 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its something that gets blown off by many when they discuss our potential replacement choices. Its why I have a feeling LaTech might end up in the league rather than S Miss. One is ranked in USNWR and one is not. Every AAC school other than Memphis is a ranked USMWP school. If Memphis leaves, selecting LaTech rather than S Miss would mean EVERY SINGLE AAC school would be a ranked USNWP school.

University presidents love being able to say things like that. It would also add another layer of separation between the AAC and the other G5's. No other G5 can say everyone of their schools is a USMWP top 200 school. It would be the G5 equivalent of the B1G's AAU status. That AAU thing has literally become the Big10's identity at this point (even though Nebraska is no longer AAU---they were AAU when they joined).

I doubt seriously if folks who work in academia pay much attention to the USNWR lists when making value judgments on schools. Those lists are pop-culture, message board material, used to sell a magazine.

The Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education is the professional classification system.

There are 3 classifications of doctoral universities. Memphis, SMU. Tulsa, and ECU are in the second class, as are Baylor, Oklahoma State, BYU, TCU, and SDSU. The rest of the Big XII and the AAC is in the 1st classification. It's interesting too that Alabama, Auburn, and Mississippi State are in class 2, while UAB is in class 1.

USM is in class 2 and LaTech is in class 3 as is Boise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ctivity.22

Undergrad still matters and is where most degree are issued. Ive seen people say USNWR doesn't matter, yet every president frets over that rating. In fact, a big hunk of that ranking is derived from the academic perception of peer schools. So, I suspect that the ranking is far more important to presidents than you seem to believe. Is it perfect---hell no. But its effectively the BCS ranking of academia.

It's a merit badge. The truth is not one is taken into account by itself. I am sure if Forbes ranks you sub 100 then the they slap that on the university website as well. WUR are probably more important than Forbes. But everyone takes whatever makes them look best. But I think Carnegie is the big Kahuna of rankings among academics.

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(07-31-2016 03:45 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:58 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:42 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Its something that gets blown off by many when they discuss our potential replacement choices. Its why I have a feeling LaTech might end up in the league rather than S Miss. One is ranked in USNWR and one is not. Every AAC school other than Memphis is a ranked USMWP school. If Memphis leaves, selecting LaTech rather than S Miss would mean EVERY SINGLE AAC school would be a ranked USNWP school.

University presidents love being able to say things like that. It would also add another layer of separation between the AAC and the other G5's. No other G5 can say everyone of their schools is a USMWP top 200 school. It would be the G5 equivalent of the B1G's AAU status. That AAU thing has literally become the Big10's identity at this point (even though Nebraska is no longer AAU---they were AAU when they joined).

I doubt seriously if folks who work in academia pay much attention to the USNWR lists when making value judgments on schools. Those lists are pop-culture, message board material, used to sell a magazine.

The Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education is the professional classification system.

There are 3 classifications of doctoral universities. Memphis, SMU. Tulsa, and ECU are in the second class, as are Baylor, Oklahoma State, BYU, TCU, and SDSU. The rest of the Big XII and the AAC is in the 1st classification. It's interesting too that Alabama, Auburn, and Mississippi State are in class 2, while UAB is in class 1.

USM is in class 2 and LaTech is in class 3 as is Boise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ctivity.22

NIU is in class 2 as well, with higher research classification. Just throwing that out there

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You shouldn't have. :)

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(07-31-2016 04:00 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 12:56 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:47 AM)nastar36 Wrote:  CSU is a non baseball school, with less than 25000 football fans playing in a 34,000 capacity stadium. There is NOTHING P5 like about them. I don't see the attraction.

I'm not a CSU fan, never been to a game, never even seen their campus. But here's a few items that may attract them to the Big 12. Colorado is king, no question both athletically and academically. However, CSU does have good academics. The Big 12 doesn't have a presence in Colorado and that is what CSU can bring. They are located just north of Denver and that is a HUGE market. Besides Market and Academics, they are also a geographical fit. CSU may not deliver the Denver market, but the Longhorn Network and/or the Big 12 network will be on the cable guides. Texas Tech can recruit a player in Denver and tell them to look at the Big 12 Network on this date and time and check us out.

Granted, CSU is not Houston or Cincinnati, but there is value. I'm not saying it's top 4 value, but there is some.

There are some serious problems with giving the Denver market to csu. Csu is something like 70 miles from Denver. It doesn't have an astronomical enrollment, doesn't have a rich football tradition, doesn't have a great average attendance, and I'm going to out on a limb and guess their ratings are great either.

It's not a travel partner for anyone in the league (BYU an 8 hour drive & Kansas state the closest current member also 8 hour drive). Let's face it, this already road trip or plane flight league anyhow. So if they're not a travel partner for anyone, what is the appeal?

Market and a academics. Texas come to town and the stadium will be full and Denver TV sets will be tuning in. Market works in both directions.

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