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(07-30-2016 04:35 PM)acc4life Wrote:  My ideal post realignment 14 team AAC scenario (w/ 3 losses to the Big 12)


AAC East
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF
Buffalo
UMass

AAC West
Air Force (fb only/national following)
Navy (fb only)
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Army (fb only/national following/in the west for recruiting)


Also add for bball/olympic (if feasible): VCU Dayton Wichita State

I'm not sure that an A-10 school would jump. Its not that your basketball isn't better - it is. But the real problem would be that the AAC is a football first conference. VCU and Dayton can accomplish whatever they want in the A-10.

The other issue would be travel expenses. The A-10 is a bus league (especially for VCU).

In the A-10, both Dayton and VCU have lower costs, they're in a multi-bid league where they have no issues getting at large bids, and they seem to be recruiting well. They also don't have to worry about the basketball product getting gutted for football. Dayton probably wants to try to make some sort of statement move to counter Xavier's move to the Big East. But a football conference? Not sure that'd be the best move. Especially since UConn and Memphis, if still in the conference, would be looking for the exits (and they would).

Again, your basketball is better. But is it worth walking away from tournament credits, influence, and stability to join a conference where their needs would come last?

There is one FBS conference that has basketball onlies. The Sun Belt has two teams in it that are happy to be in the Belt because they have no other options that are any better. And the Belt is happy to have those teams because they actually perform well in basketball and they fill a specific geographic need for travel partners. Basically, UALR and UTA help the Belt and those schools have no where else to go.

But unless you guys take Marshall, Dayton adds a trip (and its kind of far from Richmond or Philly) - I'm assuming UC is gone. VCU is a driveable game.

Army isn't joining any conf. AF isn't coming without 2 or more partners.

I gotta tell you from an Alumni footprint standpoint I love that AAC East... From Carolina up to Boston there are a shaq-ton of UB Alumni and also quite a few down in Florida.

(07-30-2016 04:35 PM)acc4life Wrote:  My ideal post realignment 14 team AAC scenario (w/ 3 losses to the Big 12)


AAC East
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF
Buffalo
UMass

AAC West
Air Force (fb only/national following)
Navy (fb only)
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Army (fb only/national following/in the west for recruiting)


Also add for bball/olympic (if feasible): VCU Dayton Wichita State

(07-30-2016 09:23 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buffalo college plays football? I'll believe that when UMass starts playing football. Enough of the nonsense!

We have been bad but we've been to two bowl games since 2008 and that's with four disaster years of Jeff Quinn...

(07-31-2016 01:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 09:23 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buffalo college plays football? I'll believe that when UMass starts playing football. Enough of the nonsense!

We have been bad but we've been to two bowl games since 2008 and that's with four disaster years of Jeff Quinn...

Under Turner Gill the Bulls looked to be building something. UB is definitely in an area of resources.

(07-31-2016 10:57 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 09:23 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buffalo college plays football? I'll believe that when UMass starts playing football. Enough of the nonsense!

We have been bad but we've been to two bowl games since 2008 and that's with four disaster years of Jeff Quinn...

Under Turner Gill the Bulls looked to be building something. UB is definitely in an area of resources.

They have had two winning seasons since 1999 and have made two bowls.

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(07-29-2016 05:08 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  And, we all know that's easier said than done. Nevertheless, we have the luxury of staying at 10 FB teams, while Army and AF survey their options.
IMO, if Aresco can secure all the Military Academies under 1 umbrella, the AAC will have won in realignment. The MBB teams should be a priority.

In FB (assuming we lose Houston, UC, Memphis - which I know is iffy):

UConn
UMass or Buffalo or Rice
Temple
NAVY
ECU
UCF
USF
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Army
Air Force

In MBB

UConn
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton
UMass or Buffalo or Rice
Temple
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
UCF
USF
ECU

If by chance Air Force demands travel partners, offer up the 14 team model and offer Air Force, Colorado State, and New Mexico as a group.

If by chance Air Force demands travel partners, offer up the 14 team model and offer Air Force, Colorado State, and New Mexico as a group.

This is the only way you have a chance to get AF. The AAC would have to bring in at least one range school and another MWC member plus Army too. Unfortunately this would mean the loss of at least 3 to 4 AAC schools and Memphis won't be one of them.

Since the B-12 is so reluctant to expand the AAC might only lose Cinn with the B-12 picking up BYU to fill the North Division with Kansas, K-State, Iowa St, and WV. Expansion with out a travel partner for WV just isn't going to happen.

If expansion is going to be market driven for the B-12 then look for the B-12 to go after BYU and then Cinn, UConn, and UCF for Midwest and Eastern TV markets. BYU is already a national brand and the other schools put the B-12 in the Midwest, Northeast, and Southeast TV markets.

(07-29-2016 05:08 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  And, we all know that's easier said than done. Nevertheless, we have the luxury of staying at 10 FB teams, while Army and AF survey their options.
IMO, if Aresco can secure all the Military Academies under 1 umbrella, the AAC will have won in realignment. The MBB teams should be a priority.

In FB (assuming we lose Houston, UC, Memphis - which I know is iffy):

UConn
UMass or Buffalo or Rice
Temple
NAVY
ECU
UCF
USF
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Army
Air Force

In MBB

UConn
Wichita State
VCU
Dayton
UMass or Buffalo or Rice
Temple
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
UCF
USF
ECU

If by chance Air Force demands travel partners, offer up the 14 team model and offer Air Force, Colorado State, and New Mexico as a group.

If by chance Air Force demands travel partners, offer up the 14 team model and offer Air Force, Colorado State, and New Mexico as a group.

This is the only way you have a chance to get AF. The AAC would have to bring in at least one range school and another MWC member plus Army too. Unfortunately this would mean the loss of at least 3 to 4 AAC schools and Memphis won't be one of them.

Since the B-12 is so reluctant to expand the AAC might only lose Cinn with the B-12 picking up BYU to fill the North Division with Kansas, K-State, Iowa St, and WV. Expansion with out a travel partner for WV just isn't going to happen.

If expansion is going to be market driven for the B-12 then look for the B-12 to go after BYU and then Cinn, UConn, and UCF for Midwest and Eastern TV markets. BYU is already a national brand and the other schools put the B-12 in the Midwest, Northeast, and Southeast TV markets.

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:57 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 09:23 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buffalo college plays football? I'll believe that when UMass starts playing football. Enough of the nonsense!

We have been bad but we've been to two bowl games since 2008 and that's with four disaster years of Jeff Quinn...

Under Turner Gill the Bulls looked to be building something. UB is definitely in an area of resources.

They have had two winning seasons since 1999 and have made two bowls.

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You can change that to two winning seasons since 2008 and two bowl game. In the pre gill era the department was terribly mismanaged. Warde Manuel cme on board and set fols straight... Gill got us winning and then we had a terrible hire and now Leipold is trying his hand.

Considering we were D3 up to 1992? ish and we wasted the first 7 years of FBS membership with internal fights between the school and athletics I'd say UB has done a respectable job getting built up.

(07-31-2016 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:57 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 09:23 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  Buffalo college plays football? I'll believe that when UMass starts playing football. Enough of the nonsense!

We have been bad but we've been to two bowl games since 2008 and that's with four disaster years of Jeff Quinn...

Under Turner Gill the Bulls looked to be building something. UB is definitely in an area of resources.

They have had two winning seasons since 1999 and have made two bowls.

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You can change that to two winning seasons since 2008 and two bowl game. In the pre gill era the department was terribly mismanaged. Warde Manuel cme on board and set fols straight... Gill got us winning and then we had a terrible hire and now Leipold is trying his hand.

Considering we were D3 up to 1992? ish and we wasted the first 7 years of FBS membership with internal fights between the school and athletics I'd say UB has done a respectable job getting built up.

No offense meant. Trying to maneuver through BEH's increasingly erratic statements.

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(07-31-2016 01:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:57 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:59 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  We have been bad but we've been to two bowl games since 2008 and that's with four disaster years of Jeff Quinn...

Under Turner Gill the Bulls looked to be building something. UB is definitely in an area of resources.

They have had two winning seasons since 1999 and have made two bowls.

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You can change that to two winning seasons since 2008 and two bowl game. In the pre gill era the department was terribly mismanaged. Warde Manuel cme on board and set fols straight... Gill got us winning and then we had a terrible hire and now Leipold is trying his hand.

Considering we were D3 up to 1992? ish and we wasted the first 7 years of FBS membership with internal fights between the school and athletics I'd say UB has done a respectable job getting built up.

No offense meant. Trying to maneuver through BEH's increasingly erratic statements.

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Lmao Don't make me your escape pod.

(07-31-2016 01:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Army isn't joining any conf. AF isn't coming without 2 or more partners.

I know, hence why I said "ideal."

(07-31-2016 12:26 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-30-2016 04:35 PM)acc4life Wrote:  My ideal post realignment 14 team AAC scenario (w/ 3 losses to the Big 12)


AAC East
ECU
Temple
UCF
UConn
USF
Buffalo
UMass

AAC West
Air Force (fb only/national following)
Navy (fb only)
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
Army (fb only/national following/in the west for recruiting)


Also add for bball/olympic (if feasible): VCU Dayton Wichita State

I'm not sure that an A-10 school would jump. Its not that your basketball isn't better - it is. But the real problem would be that the AAC is a football first conference. VCU and Dayton can accomplish whatever they want in the A-10.

The other issue would be travel expenses. The A-10 is a bus league (especially for VCU).

In the A-10, both Dayton and VCU have lower costs, they're in a multi-bid league where they have no issues getting at large bids, and they seem to be recruiting well. They also don't have to worry about the basketball product getting gutted for football. Dayton probably wants to try to make some sort of statement move to counter Xavier's move to the Big East. But a football conference? Not sure that'd be the best move. Especially since UConn and Memphis, if still in the conference, would be looking for the exits (and they would).

Again, your basketball is better. But is it worth walking away from tournament credits, influence, and stability to join a conference where their needs would come last?

There is one FBS conference that has basketball onlies. The Sun Belt has two teams in it that are happy to be in the Belt because they have no other options that are any better. And the Belt is happy to have those teams because they actually perform well in basketball and they fill a specific geographic need for travel partners. Basically, UALR and UTA help the Belt and those schools have no where else to go.

But unless you guys take Marshall, Dayton adds a trip (and its kind of far from Richmond or Philly) - I'm assuming UC is gone. VCU is a driveable game.

Agreed; hence why I used the "if feasible" disclaimer in parenthesis. lol

(07-31-2016 02:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 10:57 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Under Turner Gill the Bulls looked to be building something. UB is definitely in an area of resources.

They have had two winning seasons since 1999 and have made two bowls.

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You can change that to two winning seasons since 2008 and two bowl game. In the pre gill era the department was terribly mismanaged. Warde Manuel cme on board and set fols straight... Gill got us winning and then we had a terrible hire and now Leipold is trying his hand.

Considering we were D3 up to 1992? ish and we wasted the first 7 years of FBS membership with internal fights between the school and athletics I'd say UB has done a respectable job getting built up.

No offense meant. Trying to maneuver through BEH's increasingly erratic statements.

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Lmao Don't make me your escape pod.

I am 200% serious. I can't make heads or tails of your nonsensical statements.

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(07-31-2016 04:03 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 02:07 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:22 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:15 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 11:24 AM)panama Wrote:  They have had two winning seasons since 1999 and have made two bowls.

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You can change that to two winning seasons since 2008 and two bowl game. In the pre gill era the department was terribly mismanaged. Warde Manuel cme on board and set fols straight... Gill got us winning and then we had a terrible hire and now Leipold is trying his hand.

Considering we were D3 up to 1992? ish and we wasted the first 7 years of FBS membership with internal fights between the school and athletics I'd say UB has done a respectable job getting built up.

No offense meant. Trying to maneuver through BEH's increasingly erratic statements.

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Lmao Don't make me your escape pod.

I am 200% serious. I can't make heads or tails of your nonsensical statements.

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I'm sure you can't. lmao

(07-31-2016 02:14 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Army isn't joining any conf. AF isn't coming without 2 or more partners.

I know, hence why I said "ideal."

Its not going to make enough of a difference for CSU/AFA to move to the AAC.

(07-31-2016 07:09 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 02:14 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-31-2016 01:40 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Army isn't joining any conf. AF isn't coming without 2 or more partners.

I know, hence why I said "ideal."

Its not going to make enough of a difference for CSU/AFA to move to the AAC.

For the 3 academies to be under 1 umbrella? That's HUGE and you know it. Unprecedented.

For the record, I have changed by BBall adds to St Louis and VCU if the AAC loses 3. Both schools have around 2 billion dollars in endowments each, so they're good on money and it will put the BBall side at 10 teams, which is perfect for a double round robin schedule, with plenty left over for OOC scheduling.

St Louis works.. Anyone with a city brand fits in well with the American.. I'd also look at Dayton. If we added 3 (which happen to reflect the number of military academies), this would be a very good basketball conference with the coaches we have coming in. Wichita State is a must have, imo. We just can't be robbed of some of our best mbb programs and respond with a lone football add with mediocre basketball (which is the sad circumstance with all of the potential fb adds in the East).

We have to think of our television product.