Reading all the threads and speculation, wondered what Parliament posters would hope for? (Of course, we'd all rather Rice to Big XII)

Here's one possible scenario:


AAC West:
Navy
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulsa
Tulane

AAC East:
ECU
ODU
Temple
UConn * or Marshall if UCONN bails to Big East
UCF
USF

I like the West.

(07-28-2016 02:29 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I like the West.

That's a fantastic and geographically sensible West

I hope we are talking to Navy right now. Ten percent of their roster is Texans (from Brownsville to Texarkana and all points in between), and by requesting to be in the West division of the AAC, the ensure they play a road game against UH/SMU each year. If UH goes away, that becomes one game every two years, unless we step into the picture (or some other Texas school). I think the AAC will definitely bend an ear as to what Navy's opinion is.

I like it. And not a bad baseball conference either.

(07-28-2016 03:06 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I like it. And not a bad baseball conference either.

These aren't the only possible schools, of course.

But, considering where we are in each sport, how do you think we'd do in the AAC vs our performance in present CUSA?

There's an unofficial, but very real alliance between Rice, SMU, Tulsa, and Tulane that dates back to the original WAC days. I'm sure they'd push for Rice if the AAC had to replace three. Ideally, Louisiana Tech and Marshall are part of things in a new AAC, but I doubt they go to 14. I just hope we'd be included, more than anything.

Why ODU? I rather have Toledo who have a great basketball and football program.

(07-28-2016 02:27 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Reading all the threads and speculation, wondered what Parliament posters would hope for? (Of course, we'd all rather Rice to Big XII)

Here's one possible scenario:


AAC West:
Navy
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
Tulsa
Tulane

AAC East:
ECU
ODU
Temple
UConn * or Marshall if UCONN bails to Big East
UCF
USF

(07-28-2016 03:09 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 03:06 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  I like it. And not a bad baseball conference either.

These aren't the only possible schools, of course.

But, considering where we are in each sport, how do you think we'd do in the AAC vs our performance in present CUSA?

1st season:

Football - struggle to reach .500
Basketball - a rapidly improving squad would surprise a few folks
Baseball - competing for Championship as usual

In a couple of years I would expect basketball to be competing for a top spot in the league standings. Football would need to step it up significantly.

from the AAC board today:

Quote:RE: If we lose 3 I am hearing that we add Rice ODU and WKU

(07-29-2016 06:08 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  This from the Memphis Athletic office. My contact there has been right on with CUSA and AAC news.

I like the pics

Here's one possible scenario:


AAC West:
Navy
Rice
SMU
WKU
Tulsa
Tulane

AAC East:
ECU
ODU
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF
[/quote]

or...if the Big XII only takes two teams, and they are UH and BYU, then things might look like this:

AAC West:
Memphis
Navy
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane

AAC East:
ECU
Temple
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF


Personally, that would be my preference.

(07-29-2016 11:47 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  or...if the Big XII only takes two teams, and they are UH and BYU, then things might look like this:

AAC West:
Memphis
Navy
Rice
SMU
Tulsa
Tulane

AAC East:
ECU
Temple
Cincinnati
UConn
UCF
USF


Personally, that would be my preference.

That is clearly the best scenario for us. The danger is they decide to not to add anyone if they only lose one. Or that we are the second add on their list...

I'm not sure if the fact that the AAC already has several small private schools helps us or hurts us - The east may be saying enough, add a large public, but Tulsmulane (and maybe Navy?) might want to add us....

I'm just trusting that JK is on it...

Chip Brown is reporting BYU, UH, Memphis, Cinncinnati.

http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...-expansion

As I posted in another thread, the television networks may try to derail the whole thing and I read that Iowa State and some of the other less strong members are insisting on an extension of GOR for any expansion. A long way to go.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...12-TV.aspx

(08-01-2016 09:31 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Chip Brown is reporting BYU, UH, Memphis, Cinncinnati.

http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...-expansion

Interesting article ... I'm guessing that there is a lot of solid intel involved.

Note that if the media Grant of Rights is not extended past 2025, that conference for all intents and purposes has a nine-year lifespan. At that point, there would likely again be major upheaval.

If we can make our way in the near-term to either AAC/MWC, this would give us nine years to prove our case that we belong with whatever remnants of the Big 12 remain in 2025.

If we don't make our way in the near-term to either the AAC/MWC but other conference mates do - I shudder to think what CUSA will look like for the next decade or so.

(08-01-2016 09:54 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 09:31 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  Chip Brown is reporting BYU, UH, Memphis, Cinncinnati.

http://www.scout.com/college/texas/story...-expansion

Interesting article ... I'm guessing that there is a lot of solid intel involved.

Note that if the media Grant of Rights is not extended past 2025, that conference for all intents and purposes has a nine-year lifespan. At that point, there would likely again be major upheaval.

If we can make our way in the near-term to either AAC/MWC, this would give us nine years to prove our case that we belong with whatever remnants of the Big 12 remain in 2025.

If we don't make our way in the near-term to either the AAC/MWC but other conference mates do - I shudder to think what CUSA will look like for the next decade or so.

Agreed. If this reporter's scenario plays out, the AAC will have to bring on at least one, if not three, new schools....and one would think that Rice would be #1 on their list. Not only have we maintained positive relations with many of the existing schools (Tulane, ECU, UCF), but the Houston marketplace and recruiting pool is just too big to walk away from.

(08-01-2016 09:49 AM)Otts Wrote:  As I posted in another thread, the television networks may try to derail the whole thing and I read that Iowa State and some of the other less strong members are insisting on an extension of GOR for any expansion. A long way to go.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...12-TV.aspx

ESPN and FOX don't have a leg to stand on, they signed the contract and it was THEIR language that they put in the deal that allows the Big 12 the opportunity for this lucrative cash grab. The Big 12 schools have to realize that the conference is dead in 2025. OU is not going to extend the GOR and neither is Texas. By 2025, I suspect Texas and Kansas are in the Big 10, OU is in the SEC and the other schools including UH are on their knees praying. Essentially everyone in the Big 12 will have 5-6 years to prove their worth to the remaining major conferences.

(08-01-2016 10:03 AM)Mademen Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 09:49 AM)Otts Wrote:  As I posted in another thread, the television networks may try to derail the whole thing and I read that Iowa State and some of the other less strong members are insisting on an extension of GOR for any expansion. A long way to go.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...12-TV.aspx

ESPN and FOX don't have a leg to stand on, they signed the contract and it was THEIR language that they put in the deal that allows the Big 12 the opportunity for this lucrative cash grab. The Big 12 schools have to realize that the conference is dead in 2025. OU is not going to extend the GOR and neither is Texas. By 2025, I suspect Texas and Kansas are in the Big 10, OU is in the SEC and the other schools including UH are on their knees praying. Essentially everyone in the Big 12 will have 5-6 years to prove their worth to the remaining major conferences.

Yep. My only caveat is that I think the Pac 12 will be heavily involved with the western Big 12 schools as well, as they otherwise appear about out of reasonable expansion options.

But, to Mademan's point, the current revenue gap between the Big 10/SEC and Pac 12 remains large. Hard to see how it would close much in the next nine years. I have heard rumblings that the Big 10 remains infatuated with a subset of ACC schools including Georgia Tech, but I think the recent ACC Grant of Rights expansion probably shuts that down.

(08-01-2016 10:03 AM)Mademen Wrote:  

(08-01-2016 09:49 AM)Otts Wrote:  As I posted in another thread, the television networks may try to derail the whole thing and I read that Iowa State and some of the other less strong members are insisting on an extension of GOR for any expansion. A long way to go.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...12-TV.aspx

ESPN and FOX don't have a leg to stand on, they signed the contract and it was THEIR language that they put in the deal that allows the Big 12 the opportunity for this lucrative cash grab. The Big 12 schools have to realize that the conference is dead in 2025. OU is not going to extend the GOR and neither is Texas. By 2025, I suspect Texas and Kansas are in the Big 10, OU is in the SEC and the other schools including UH are on their knees praying. Essentially everyone in the Big 12 will have 5-6 years to prove their worth to the remaining major conferences.

Yeah, I agree on the ESPN/Fox thing - not sure how much they can say that this act of expansion violates the "spirit of the deal/contract", given that poaching other P5 schools to the Big 12 was always going to be a very unlikely situation. Maybe our resident lawyers know of case studies where this nebulous "spirit of the agreement" term was something that actually proved critical to a decision/dispute - although I'd expect you all would have to read the contract to gain a sense of how that term could be invoked in this situation.

I think the rest is spot on as well...unless the playoff expands to more than four teams in the next 5-6 years a "P5" scenario is just not tenable, and I think OU/UT know this in the back of their minds.

At the risk of going negative here ... while there is clearly opportunity for us in this scenario, there is also substantial risk.

If the Big 12 does take 4 - and the AAC backfills but not with us - and we also don't get an MWC invite - we'd be most likely looking at an even further watered down CUSA.

And ... we'd be competing against a cross-town product (UH) with a Big 12 schedule.

That, to put it mildly, would not be good.

(So, for now, let's think positively.)