stay at 10 in FB and get good BB schools.

(07-28-2016 12:10 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Rice was 5-7 last year. Yes, they have great academics but a team that struggles in CUSA should not be high on the list. They're basketball was only slightly better than Southern Miss but thats not saying much. They would bring no value to the TV contract.

Rice's issue in football is they need a better head Coach after 10 years of David Bailiff. While he's done some things like several bowl games and the school's first outright conference championship in 40 years, it's past time for him to get the boot.

That said, Rice's recent $32 Million fully paid for in advance investment in a much-needed new EZF, $113.2 Million in much-needed overhaul of all the major sports facilities in the last 10 years (and more announced to come, including additional Football stadium renovations, and $10 million more in baseball stadium additions to begin very soon).

So, with the financial investments made and on the way in football, nothing a new Head Coach can't fix at Rice in football.

In Men's basketball, Rice's new head Coach, Mike Rhoades, formerly the top assistant at VCU under their former coach Shaka Smart, is poised to start making noise in only his third year at Rice. While he inherited an absolute mess from previous head Coach ben braun, even Braun is on record many times that "Rhoades is doing more with my recruits" and you'll be hearing from Rice basketball a lot more this year (including Sophomore Marcus Evans, who outscored #1 draft pick Ben Simmons as a freshman and led all freshman players last year.)

There's much more, but message is, this is not the same old Rice ya'll left behind. We finally got the message. Our new AD, Joe Karlgaard, was top assistant AD at Stanford and understands what needs to be done and is doing it (forget about our embarrassing former AD Rick Greenspan, please.)

Speaking of Florida State...here's a really good game

(07-28-2016 04:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Speaking of Florida State...here's a really good game

That was a great victory for them. I just wish Cincy was more of a big game/clutch time finisher, because they have such a rich history of being so scrappy and tenacious at both bball and football.

ol FSU was the ACC champs that year...they thought they were tough...then we showed them what Big East basketball was all about

gawd I miss the Big East

(07-28-2016 04:12 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:10 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Rice was 5-7 last year. Yes, they have great academics but a team that struggles in CUSA should not be high on the list. They're basketball was only slightly better than Southern Miss but thats not saying much. They would bring no value to the TV contract.

Rice's issue in football is they need a better head Coach after 10 years of David Bailiff. While he's done some things like several bowl games and the school's first outright conference championship in 40 years, it's past time for him to get the boot.

That said, Rice's recent $32 Million fully paid for in advance investment in a much-needed new EZF, $113.2 Million in much-needed overhaul of all the major sports facilities in the last 10 years (and more announced to come, including additional Football stadium renovations, and $10 million more in baseball stadium additions to begin very soon).

So, with the financial investments made and on the way in football, nothing a new Head Coach can't fix at Rice in football.

In Men's basketball, Rice's new head Coach, Mike Rhoades, formerly the top assistant at VCU under their former coach Shaka Smart, is poised to start making noise in only his third year at Rice. While he inherited an absolute mess from previous head Coach ben braun, even Braun is on record many times that "Rhoades is doing more with my recruits" and you'll be hearing from Rice basketball a lot more this year (including Sophomore Marcus Evans, who outscored #1 draft pick Ben Simmons as a freshman and led all freshman players last year.)

There's much more, but message is, this is not the same old Rice ya'll left behind. We finally got the message. Our new AD, Joe Karlgaard, was top assistant AD at Stanford and understands what needs to be done and is doing it (forget about our embarrassing former AD Rick Greenspan, please.)

Finally got the message after being left behind how many times? To me Rice has to prove it first. Struggling in CUSA 8.0 isn't a sign that they "Get it".

A lot of us have been left behind over the years. That is why this time is so important to so many of us.

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(07-28-2016 04:12 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  stay at 10 in FB and get good BB schools.

(07-28-2016 05:34 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 04:12 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  stay at 10 in FB and get good BB schools.

Do it so we can move to the next step.

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(07-28-2016 02:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think the AAC needs to take a hard look at Toledo. I'd say Ohio too but they don't really bring any market size to speak of.

Did we just catch you in a moment of weakness?

We are losing two. Add a couple good bball teams to make up for us and USF and keep football like it is. I don't care what market someone is in, the more you dilute this league the less money and respect we'll get. We'll still battle the MWC for best G5 even with losing two and staying at 10. That's about all we got right now. Don't go crazy adding mom and pop football programs no one cares about.

(07-28-2016 12:10 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Here are some ideas on who should be considered for AAC admission.

WKU was 12-2 last year and the Champs of CUSA going undefeated in conference play. Gets the AAC back into the Ohio Valley region.

Marshall was 10-3 last year and could be a good fit though playing against an increased level of competition might be too much for the small school.

Southern Miss 9-5 last year finishing first in CUSA West division. They have a lot of history with most of the conference but don't bring much value to the TV deal and basketball would only get worse.

Rice was 5-7 last year. Yes, they have great academics but a team that struggles in CUSA should not be high on the list. They're basketball was only slightly better than Southern Miss but thats not saying much. They would bring no value to the TV contract.

Toledo was 10-2 last year and had a winning season in basketball. In between the Detroit and Cleveland markets and gets you back into Ohio and the mid-west.

Ohio went 8-5 last season and had a good year in basketball going 23-12. They sit in south east Ohio and have a good sized student body. A big student body and competent athletics is something the conference should be looking for.

NIU went 8-6 last year and continue to rack up bowl appearances and MAC division titles. A good season in BBall like Ohio and a good TV market should make them very attractive to the TV partners.

Buffalo went 5-7 last year and had a similar basketball season to NIU and Ohio and continue to build off the success Hurly had up there. They sit in a decent market and could be a eastern option to keep UConn company if they are left behind.

UMass went 3-9 last season and didn't have a good season in basketball but played in a much tougher conference than the rest on this list above. They are a big state school in the North east and would help make a nice NE trio along with UConn and Temple.

Now my personal opinion is that a all sports minus fb school should be added to off balance Navy FB. I think VCU which is a power in the strong A-10 would really really help bolster the basketball side of the conference if you should lose both Memphis and Cincy. Their fan base travels well and they play a tough brand of basketball. Also keeps you with a team in the VA/DC/MD area all year long.

Why does a Rutgers fan care who gets in the AAC?

(07-28-2016 07:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 05:34 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 04:12 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  stay at 10 in FB and get good BB schools.

Do it so we can move to the next step.

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And Georgia State is a good bball school? LOL

(07-28-2016 02:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think the AAC needs to take a hard look at Toledo. I'd say Ohio too but they don't really bring any market size to speak of.

Unfortunately most of Ohio is a declining state. Better options like ODU, Charlotte, and maybe even USM.

(07-28-2016 10:05 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 07:55 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 05:34 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 04:12 PM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  stay at 10 in FB and get good BB schools.

Do it so we can move to the next step.

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And Georgia State is a good bball school? LOL

You are kidding right?

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(07-28-2016 08:06 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  We are losing two. Add a couple good bball teams to make up for us and USF and keep football like it is. I don't care what market someone is in, the more you dilute this league the less money and respect we'll get. We'll still battle the MWC for best G5 even with losing two and staying at 10. That's about all we got right now. Don't go crazy adding mom and pop football programs no one cares about.

Think inventory getting back to 12 is critical.

Army- Nice for the TV deal.
Wichita St- Wants to make the move to FBS.
NIU- The best MAC FB school with an Orange Bowl appearance.

Take bites out of the MVC and MAC, Top 12 basketball leagues. Retain a Midwest component to the conference.

(07-28-2016 12:10 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Here are some ideas on who should be considered for AAC admission.

WKU was 12-2 last year and the Champs of CUSA going undefeated in conference play. Gets the AAC back into the Ohio Valley region.

Marshall was 10-3 last year and could be a good fit though playing against an increased level of competition might be too much for the small school.

Southern Miss 9-5 last year finishing first in CUSA West division. They have a lot of history with most of the conference but don't bring much value to the TV deal and basketball would only get worse.

Rice was 5-7 last year. Yes, they have great academics but a team that struggles in CUSA should not be high on the list. They're basketball was only slightly better than Southern Miss but thats not saying much. They would bring no value to the TV contract.

Toledo was 10-2 last year and had a winning season in basketball. In between the Detroit and Cleveland markets and gets you back into Ohio and the mid-west.

Ohio went 8-5 last season and had a good year in basketball going 23-12. They sit in south east Ohio and have a good sized student body. A big student body and competent athletics is something the conference should be looking for.

NIU went 8-6 last year and continue to rack up bowl appearances and MAC division titles. A good season in BBall like Ohio and a good TV market should make them very attractive to the TV partners.

Buffalo went 5-7 last year and had a similar basketball season to NIU and Ohio and continue to build off the success Hurly had up there. They sit in a decent market and could be a eastern option to keep UConn company if they are left behind.

UMass went 3-9 last season and didn't have a good season in basketball but played in a much tougher conference than the rest on this list above. They are a big state school in the North east and would help make a nice NE trio along with UConn and Temple.

Now my personal opinion is that a all sports minus fb school should be added to off balance Navy FB. I think VCU which is a power in the strong A-10 would really really help bolster the basketball side of the conference if you should lose both Memphis and Cincy. Their fan base travels well and they play a tough brand of basketball. Also keeps you with a team in the VA/DC/MD area all year long.

Some men's bball NCAA Tournament stats for these schools-


NCAA Tournament record-
19-24 WKU
11-9 UMass
7-14 Ohio
2-5 Rice
1-4 Toledo
0-5 Marshall
0-3 SoMiss
0-3 NIU
0-2 Buffalo

Last NCAA Tournament appearance-
2016 Buffalo
2014 UMass
2013 WKU
2012 Ohio
2012 SoMiss
1996 NIU
1987 Marshall
1980 Toledo
1970 Rice

Last NCAA Tournament win-
2012 Ohio
2012 WKU
1996 UMass (vacated)
1979 Toledo
1954 Rice
N/A Buffalo
N/A Marshall
N/A NIU
N/A SoMiss

Last Sweet 16 appearance-
2012 Ohio
2008 WKU
1996 UMass (vacated)
1979 Toledo
1954 Rice

Last Elite 8 appearance-
1996 UMass (vacated)
1971 WKU (vacated)
1964 Ohio

Last Final 4 appearance-
1996 UMass (vacated)
1971 WKU (vacated)

So you're just looking in your immediate area? No mention of GSU, UAB or Charlotte or even ODU. Incredible. 3 of those have tournament wins in the last 15 months .

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(07-28-2016 08:35 PM)Wavetime Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 12:10 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Here are some ideas on who should be considered for AAC admission.

WKU was 12-2 last year and the Champs of CUSA going undefeated in conference play. Gets the AAC back into the Ohio Valley region.

Marshall was 10-3 last year and could be a good fit though playing against an increased level of competition might be too much for the small school.

Southern Miss 9-5 last year finishing first in CUSA West division. They have a lot of history with most of the conference but don't bring much value to the TV deal and basketball would only get worse.

Rice was 5-7 last year. Yes, they have great academics but a team that struggles in CUSA should not be high on the list. They're basketball was only slightly better than Southern Miss but thats not saying much. They would bring no value to the TV contract.

Toledo was 10-2 last year and had a winning season in basketball. In between the Detroit and Cleveland markets and gets you back into Ohio and the mid-west.

Ohio went 8-5 last season and had a good year in basketball going 23-12. They sit in south east Ohio and have a good sized student body. A big student body and competent athletics is something the conference should be looking for.

NIU went 8-6 last year and continue to rack up bowl appearances and MAC division titles. A good season in BBall like Ohio and a good TV market should make them very attractive to the TV partners.

Buffalo went 5-7 last year and had a similar basketball season to NIU and Ohio and continue to build off the success Hurly had up there. They sit in a decent market and could be a eastern option to keep UConn company if they are left behind.

UMass went 3-9 last season and didn't have a good season in basketball but played in a much tougher conference than the rest on this list above. They are a big state school in the North east and would help make a nice NE trio along with UConn and Temple.

Now my personal opinion is that a all sports minus fb school should be added to off balance Navy FB. I think VCU which is a power in the strong A-10 would really really help bolster the basketball side of the conference if you should lose both Memphis and Cincy. Their fan base travels well and they play a tough brand of basketball. Also keeps you with a team in the VA/DC/MD area all year long.

Why does a Rutgers fan care who gets in the AAC?

I asked myself the same question.

(07-28-2016 10:11 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(07-28-2016 02:39 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I think the AAC needs to take a hard look at Toledo. I'd say Ohio too but they don't really bring any market size to speak of.

Unfortunately most of Ohio is a declining state. Better options like ODU, Charlotte, and maybe even USM.

USM is the 3rd school in the 32nd biggest state. They are a poor choice. If you want to be below the MWC almost every year for the access bowl then choose S. Miss but that school has little history with what is looking like the 9 remaining members.

USF 4 games
UCF 8 games
UConn 0 games
Temple 0 games
Navy 1 game
SMU 4 games
Tulsa 8 games

Thats 25 games against more than 2/3rds of the league.

Tulane 30 games
ECU 39 games

They have a history with 2 of the 9 remaining schools. Thats not an actual history with anyone from the conference. The folks they had the history with are all gone.

Louisville 30 games
Cincy 15 games
Memphis 63 games
Houston 14 games