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Re: RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-27-2016 06:59 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  I won't lose any sleep over it but Memphis would be surprising to me given their lower academic standing. Still if it's these four I say congratulations and ask who replaces the three in the AAC? This is getting interesting maybe I should make some popcorn...

"would be surprising to me given their lower academic standing"

The people that matter know its a myth.
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(07-27-2016 10:30 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:09 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 09:43 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If true, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis will all bring valuable content to the Big 12. Cincinnati and Memphis bring very strong basketball programs, each brings a set recent competitive football, and each brings new markets and fan bases. West Virginia would get not just one, but, conceivably, two travel partners that will help out the traveling issues that they encountered the past few years - so that's another plus. The Big 12 also gets to plant another flag down in Houston.

The only question is whether BYU is a full-member or football only.
memphis isn't really a travel partner. It's only 2 hours closer than Iowa State in driving distance.

I was really hoping we could get CSU. I want to try and get back closer to a continuous footprint. I still won't believe it until I see it. I remember the WVU president just said he doesn't want to poach and destroy another conference to get members so I feel like they will only take 2 teams at most from the AAC.

My hope is BYU, CSU, UC, and UH/Memphis/Tulane.

Texas doesn;t care what promise WVU made when there is money sitting on the table for the taking. Same with OU and the other 7 members outside of Morgantown.

I'm not trying to say WVU needs a travel partner, I was just pointing out that Memphis isn't exactly close to WVU.

Back to the topic I highly doubt that they decided on the 4 teams already. On the radio they were just talking about how teams are still coming in to give their pitches and that maybe radio shows will try to release records in a few months to see what teams are getting the most traffic with the big 12. Don't expect an announcement till closer to the season. Just my opinion on the topic.
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-27-2016 11:07 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:30 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:09 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 09:43 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If true, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis will all bring valuable content to the Big 12. Cincinnati and Memphis bring very strong basketball programs, each brings a set recent competitive football, and each brings new markets and fan bases. West Virginia would get not just one, but, conceivably, two travel partners that will help out the traveling issues that they encountered the past few years - so that's another plus. The Big 12 also gets to plant another flag down in Houston.

The only question is whether BYU is a full-member or football only.
memphis isn't really a travel partner. It's only 2 hours closer than Iowa State in driving distance.

I was really hoping we could get CSU. I want to try and get back closer to a continuous footprint. I still won't believe it until I see it. I remember the WVU president just said he doesn't want to poach and destroy another conference to get members so I feel like they will only take 2 teams at most from the AAC.

My hope is BYU, CSU, UC, and UH/Memphis/Tulane.

Texas doesn;t care what promise WVU made when there is money sitting on the table for the taking. Same with OU and the other 7 members outside of Morgantown.

I'm not trying to say WVU needs a travel partner, I was just pointing out that Memphis isn't exactly close to WVU.

Back to the topic I highly doubt that they decided on the 4 teams already. On the radio they were just talking about how teams are still coming in to give their pitches and that maybe radio shows will try to release records in a few months to see what teams are getting the most traffic with the big 12. Don't expect an announcement till closer to the season. Just my opinion on the topic.
BYU insider says they're announcing Monday 8/1 that they will be full members

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message...d=16208156
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I still do not see neither BYU and Houston in the Big 12. Be way too many Texas schools in 1 conference. BYU also have a baggage that is similar issues with BAylor.

Boren was hinting a few weeks ago that best football product would get an invite. Who have the most wins since 1999 out of the G5 schools? Boise State
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(07-27-2016 10:14 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  rumor on the big 12 forums from a guy connected to ISU AD he says the plan is UH and BYU. Then when pac GOR is up they will go after the Zona schools or CU+ASU.

I take it with a grain of salt but you never know.

Spoiler alert: the Pac-12 schools are not coming. Some B12 admins and fans DESPERATELY need a reality check.
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-27-2016 11:46 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 11:07 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:30 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:09 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 09:43 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If true, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis will all bring valuable content to the Big 12. Cincinnati and Memphis bring very strong basketball programs, each brings a set recent competitive football, and each brings new markets and fan bases. West Virginia would get not just one, but, conceivably, two travel partners that will help out the traveling issues that they encountered the past few years - so that's another plus. The Big 12 also gets to plant another flag down in Houston.

The only question is whether BYU is a full-member or football only.
memphis isn't really a travel partner. It's only 2 hours closer than Iowa State in driving distance.

I was really hoping we could get CSU. I want to try and get back closer to a continuous footprint. I still won't believe it until I see it. I remember the WVU president just said he doesn't want to poach and destroy another conference to get members so I feel like they will only take 2 teams at most from the AAC.

My hope is BYU, CSU, UC, and UH/Memphis/Tulane.

Texas doesn;t care what promise WVU made when there is money sitting on the table for the taking. Same with OU and the other 7 members outside of Morgantown.

I'm not trying to say WVU needs a travel partner, I was just pointing out that Memphis isn't exactly close to WVU.

Back to the topic I highly doubt that they decided on the 4 teams already. On the radio they were just talking about how teams are still coming in to give their pitches and that maybe radio shows will try to release records in a few months to see what teams are getting the most traffic with the big 12. Don't expect an announcement till closer to the season. Just my opinion on the topic.
BYU insider says they're announcing Monday 8/1 that they will be full members

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message...d=16208156


If that is true, Houston is out, and Boise State is in as a travel partner. Boise State have the better football program, gets better ratings and basketball is on the rise.

Boise State = $$$$$$> Colorado State
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(07-27-2016 08:13 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  BYU on an island. Why add schools that would put them on an island? They should add 2 more to be the first to 16. That way, 6 schools would be built up until Texas and Oklahoma leaves. Add Boise State and East Carolina to make the Big 12 stronger.

You forgot North Dakota State and Arkansas Tech!02-13-bananaCOGS02-13-bananaCOGS04-jawdrop
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-27-2016 08:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 07:50 PM)Chappy Wrote:  If this comes to fruition and if Aresco stands by his earlier comments to stop at 10, then as much as I don't want Rice, they would fit in nicely... the west would be 4 private schools and Navy.

EAST
Connecticut
East Carolina
South Florida
Temple
UCF

WEST
Navy
Rice
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa


They will go to 12. They need UMass. in as a travel partner for UConn. for all sports. Old Dominion or Southern Miss would be the 12th member.
Think West! Southern Miss oh wait NDSU but maybe Arkansas Tech!05-ban
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
First let me say that I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't care who gets in.

Also, I don't mean to offend anyone. However, I don't understand what Houston brings to the table aside from being politically connected to the most powerful program in the conference: Texas?

If this is a purely a pro rata deal then I guess it does make some sense. However, a pro rata only approach would be shortsighted and stupid and would all but guarantee an eventual schism. It's just not a sustainable model.

However, if they are looking to form a conference television network, and that is really the only reason to do this, Houston doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A B12 Network would be on Houston area cable television providers with or without the University of Houston.

Don't get me wrong, that program has tremendous recruiting potential. However, from a business standpoint, it just doesn't make sense – that is if they are looking to start a cable television channel like the ACC, P12, B1G and SEC.

Memphis makes some business sense but they would be well down my list. I mean they're not horrible geographically and their men's basketball program has been very good at times. Also, they had a decent year in football last year.

However, they typically don't draw well in football, and they're often pretty bad. They are also said to have substandard facilities and the university itself is not well regarded. Finally, they are not located in a particularly large market and don't currently bring in the type of money some of the other programs under consideration do. They also don't have a ton of growth potential.

As I said earlier, I like Memphis more than Houston but not nearly as much as many others seem to and DEFINITELY not as much as I do BYU, Cincy, UCF, USF, UConn, or a few other schools.

Can anyone explain to me why, other then geographical considerations - which is a really antiquated thinking - anyone would put Houston and Memphis ahead of some of the aforementioned expansion candidates? Just looking at it from an outsider's perspective, they just don't make a whole helluva lot of sense.
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(07-27-2016 11:46 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 11:07 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:30 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 10:09 PM)CyclonePower Wrote:  
(07-27-2016 09:43 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If true, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis will all bring valuable content to the Big 12. Cincinnati and Memphis bring very strong basketball programs, each brings a set recent competitive football, and each brings new markets and fan bases. West Virginia would get not just one, but, conceivably, two travel partners that will help out the traveling issues that they encountered the past few years - so that's another plus. The Big 12 also gets to plant another flag down in Houston.

The only question is whether BYU is a full-member or football only.
memphis isn't really a travel partner. It's only 2 hours closer than Iowa State in driving distance.

I was really hoping we could get CSU. I want to try and get back closer to a continuous footprint. I still won't believe it until I see it. I remember the WVU president just said he doesn't want to poach and destroy another conference to get members so I feel like they will only take 2 teams at most from the AAC.

My hope is BYU, CSU, UC, and UH/Memphis/Tulane.

Texas doesn;t care what promise WVU made when there is money sitting on the table for the taking. Same with OU and the other 7 members outside of Morgantown.

I'm not trying to say WVU needs a travel partner, I was just pointing out that Memphis isn't exactly close to WVU.

Back to the topic I highly doubt that they decided on the 4 teams already. On the radio they were just talking about how teams are still coming in to give their pitches and that maybe radio shows will try to release records in a few months to see what teams are getting the most traffic with the big 12. Don't expect an announcement till closer to the season. Just my opinion on the topic.
BYU insider says they're announcing Monday 8/1 that they will be full members

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message...d=16208156

I really hope their tweet about BYU and CSU starting in 2017 and 2018 the AAC teams join is true. Make it happen.
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(07-27-2016 11:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I still do not see neither BYU and Houston in the Big 12. Be way too many Texas schools in 1 conference. BYU also have a baggage that is similar issues with BAylor.

Boren was hinting a few weeks ago that best football product would get an invite. Who have the most wins since 1999 out of the G5 schools? Boise State

Boise can meet with NDSU, Arkansas Tech, Portland State, and Cal State San Diego and 3 others from the Big Sky and form their own P6 conference!
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Shifts do happen...

Big 12

West Virginia
Cincinnati
Memphis
Iowa State
Texas
Texas Christian
Houston

Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas
Kansas State
BYU
Texas Tech
Baylor

AAC

Connecticut
Temple
East Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida
Massachusetts
Old Dominion

*Army
*Navy
Rice
Southern Mississippi
SMU
Tulane
Tulsa
*football only

Conference USA

Charlotte
FAU
FIU
Marshall
UAB
Liberty

Louisiana Tech
Jacksonville State
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
UTSA
Western Kentucky

MWC

Fresno State
Hawaii
Nevada
UNLV
San Diego State
San Jose State
Utah State

Air Force
Boise State
Colorado State
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Wyoming
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(07-28-2016 12:12 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  However, they typically don't draw well in football, and they're often pretty bad. They are also said to have substandard facilities and the university itself is not well regarded. Finally, they are not located in a particularly large market and don't currently bring in the type of money some of the other programs under consideration do. They also don't have a ton of growth potential.

*SNIP*

Didn't realize you switched to talking about Memphis mid post. Carry on.
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-28-2016 12:12 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  However, if they are looking to form a conference television network, and that is really the only reason to do this, Houston doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A B12 Network would be on Houston area cable television providers with or without the University of Houston.

Don't get me wrong, that program has tremendous recruiting potential. However, from a business standpoint, it just doesn't make sense

Several things wrong with your business analysis.

First, the Big 12 is not getting a linear network.

Second, a Big 12 network may NOT automatically be in Houston without UH. For example, the Longhorn network is not in Houston on Comcast, the largest cable provider.

Third, and more generally, no business expands to new territories without making sure it is strong in its home markets. Last year in the Houston market, the SEC drew 22% better ratings in conference games than the Big 12 did. How's that going to look when they renegotiate their TV deal in a few years?

Big 12: Look over here, look over here. We're in the Cincinnati market now. We want SEC TV money.

ESPN/Fox: Yeah, but the SEC outrates your games by 25% in your largest home market. Advertisers won't even pay you SEC money in Houston, for crying out loud.

The only way to make Houston a Big 12 town again is to add UH. And one way to blow up the Big 12 is to omit Houston and let the Pac 12 or ACC (or god forbid the SEC or Big 10) add Houston and forever relegate the Big 12 schools not named Texas to 3rd tier in this market.

BTW, 6.5M people live in Harris and surrounding counties (100 mile radius), and that number is expected to double by 2050. Compare the states of Connecticut and West Virginia, which are very slow growing and/or losing population. The future is in Houston.
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-28-2016 12:12 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  First let me say that I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't care who gets in.

Also, I don't mean to offend anyone. However, I don't understand what Houston brings to the table aside from being politically connected to the most powerful program in the conference: Texas?

If this is a purely a pro rata deal then I guess it does make some sense. However, a pro rata only approach would be shortsighted and stupid and would all but guarantee an eventual schism. It's just not a sustainable model.

However, if they are looking to form a conference television network, and that is really the only reason to do this, Houston doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A B12 Network would be on Houston area cable television providers with or without the University of Houston.

Don't get me wrong, that program has tremendous recruiting potential. However, from a business standpoint, it just doesn't make sense – that is if they are looking to start a cable television channel like the ACC, P12, B1G and SEC.

Memphis makes some business sense but they would be well down my list. I mean they're not horrible geographically and their men's basketball program has been very good at times. Also, they had a decent year in football last year.

However, they typically don't draw well in football, and they're often pretty bad. They are also said to have substandard facilities and the university itself is not well regarded. Finally, they are not located in a particularly large market and don't currently bring in the type of money some of the other programs under consideration do. They also don't have a ton of growth potential.

As I said earlier, I like Memphis more than Houston but not nearly as much as many others seem to and DEFINITELY not as much as I do BYU, Cincy, UCF, USF, UConn, or a few other schools.

Can anyone explain to me why, other then geographical considerations - which is a really antiquated thinking - anyone would put Houston and Memphis ahead of some of the aforementioned expansion candidates? Just looking at it from an outsider's perspective, they just don't make a whole helluva lot of sense.

Maybe they are using a different approach. Perhaps they are just trying to build a good football league. That worked for the SEC. People will watch good football.
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Selfishly I hope BYU and Houston are left out so the MWC can grab them, but we'll see what happens.
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(07-28-2016 01:02 AM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  Selfishly I hope BYU and Houston are left out so the MWC can grab them, but we'll see what happens.


I'm trying to go west but we can't pay $10,000,000 to leave
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(07-28-2016 12:12 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  First let me say that I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't care who gets in.

Also, I don't mean to offend anyone. However, I don't understand what Houston brings to the table aside from being politically connected to the most powerful program in the conference: Texas?

If this is a purely a pro rata deal then I guess it does make some sense. However, a pro rata only approach would be shortsighted and stupid and would all but guarantee an eventual schism. It's just not a sustainable model.

However, if they are looking to form a conference television network, and that is really the only reason to do this, Houston doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A B12 Network would be on Houston area cable television providers with or without the University of Houston.

Don't get me wrong, that program has tremendous recruiting potential. However, from a business standpoint, it just doesn't make sense – that is if they are looking to start a cable television channel like the ACC, P12, B1G and SEC.

Memphis makes some business sense but they would be well down my list. I mean they're not horrible geographically and their men's basketball program has been very good at times. Also, they had a decent year in football last year.

However, they typically don't draw well in football, and they're often pretty bad. They are also said to have substandard facilities and the university itself is not well regarded. Finally, they are not located in a particularly large market and don't currently bring in the type of money some of the other programs under consideration do. They also don't have a ton of growth potential.

As I said earlier, I like Memphis more than Houston but not nearly as much as many others seem to and DEFINITELY not as much as I do BYU, Cincy, UCF, USF, UConn, or a few other schools.

Can anyone explain to me why, other then geographical considerations - which is a really antiquated thinking - anyone would put Houston and Memphis ahead of some of the aforementioned expansion candidates? Just looking at it from an outsider's perspective, they just don't make a whole helluva lot of sense.
For Memphis it is about money and upside; plain and simple
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(07-28-2016 01:03 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(07-28-2016 01:02 AM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  Selfishly I hope BYU and Houston are left out so the MWC can grab them, but we'll see what happens.


I'm trying to go west but we can't pay $10,000,000 to leave

The solution is an MWC-AAC merger.

Suppose the Big 12 does take Houston, Cincinnati and Memphis. Also, let's assume this drives UConn to move its Olympic sports to the Big East and go independent in football (or perhaps the MAC or CUSA would take UConn and UMass as football only members).

That leaves the MWC with 12 schools and the AAC with 8. Put them together and you've got a 20-member BOR conference that can split into two divisions with each side playing a 9-game round-robin conference schedule.

The divisional split would be tricky since there are a lot of considerations to satisfy:

- The Front Range foursome of Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force and New Mexico have to be in the same division (splitting that group apart led to the MWC breakaway from the WAC).

- Air Force and Navy have to be in the same division (otherwise Air Force will have heartburn about playing a 9-game conference schedule).

- Hawaii and the California schools should be in the same division.

- Nevada and UNLV should be in the same division.

- Tulsa and SMU should be in the same division.

- USF and UCF should be in the same division.

My solution is to set up six pods, as follows:

POD A (4 teams)
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State

POD B (3 teams)
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV

POD C (6 teams)
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Navy

POD D (3 teams)
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

POD E (4 teams)
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF

Western Division membership alternates every two years between Pods A+C and Pods A+B+D.

Eastern Division membership alternates every two years between Pods B+D+E and Pods C+E.

So in the first two years of each cycle, the divisional split is:

WEST
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Navy

EAST
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF

In the second two years of each cycle, the divisional split is:

WEST
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

EAST
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Navy
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF

This approach preserves historical rivalries; balances out travel headaches; gives schools that want national exposure like Boise State, Air Force and Navy a chance to play on both coasts; and almost guarantees an Access Bowl berth for the conference championship game winner.

As for Olympic sports, the merged conference would have 18 members since Hawaii and Navy would be football only. That's manageable, but just barely. A better alternative might be to just leave the existing MWC and AAC conferences in place, and do the merger for football only (the AAC schools would become football-only members of the MWC).

Sound like fun?
07-28-2016 03:21 AM
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RE: "BYU, UC, UH, UM to B12 in 2 weeks; Texas content"
(07-28-2016 03:21 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(07-28-2016 01:03 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(07-28-2016 01:02 AM)UNLVFan90 Wrote:  Selfishly I hope BYU and Houston are left out so the MWC can grab them, but we'll see what happens.


I'm trying to go west but we can't pay $10,000,000 to leave

The solution is an MWC-AAC merger.

Suppose the Big 12 does take Houston, Cincinnati and Memphis. Also, let's assume this drives UConn to move its Olympic sports to the Big East and go independent in football (or perhaps the MAC or CUSA would take UConn and UMass as football only members).

That leaves the MWC with 12 schools and the AAC with 8. Put them together and you've got a 20-member BOR conference that can split into two divisions with each side playing a 9-game round-robin conference schedule.

The divisional split would be tricky since there are a lot of considerations to satisfy:

- The Front Range foursome of Wyoming, Colorado State, Air Force and New Mexico have to be in the same division (splitting that group apart led to the MWC breakaway from the WAC).

- Air Force and Navy have to be in the same division (otherwise Air Force will have heartburn about playing a 9-game conference schedule).

- Hawaii and the California schools should be in the same division.

- Nevada and UNLV should be in the same division.

- Tulsa and SMU should be in the same division.

- USF and UCF should be in the same division.

My solution is to set up six pods, as follows:

POD A (4 teams)
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State

POD B (3 teams)
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV

POD C (6 teams)
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Navy

POD D (3 teams)
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

POD E (4 teams)
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF

Western Division membership alternates every two years between Pods A+C and Pods A+B+D.

Eastern Division membership alternates every two years between Pods B+D+E and Pods C+E.

So in the first two years of each cycle, the divisional split is:

WEST
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Navy

EAST
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF

In the second two years of each cycle, the divisional split is:

WEST
Hawaii
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State
Boise State
Nevada
UNLV
Tulsa
SMU
Tulane

EAST
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
Navy
Temple
ECU
USF
UCF

This approach preserves historical rivalries; balances out travel headaches; gives schools that want national exposure like Boise State, Air Force and Navy a chance to play on both coasts; and almost guarantees an Access Bowl berth for the conference championship game winner.

As for Olympic sports, the merged conference would have 18 members since Hawaii and Navy would be football only. That's manageable, but just barely. A better alternative might be to just leave the existing MWC and AAC conferences in place, and do the merger for football only (the AAC schools would become football-only members of the MWC).

Sound like fun?

That would definitely be the American Conference. I think Aresco keeps his word and stays at 10 but a MWC/AAC merger has always been interesting to me. It would definitely create a fun Conference to watch but I think it would be too difficult to implement and too many people to try and make happy.

My hope continues to be that the Big12 only adds 2 teams or shocks the world by luring a former member back but that is doubtful. If they take 3 AAC schools that will hurt especially in Basketball if UC and Memphis both leave. I would feel bad for UCONN as the last good program from the Big East to get left out except USF but USF was just damn lucky to get into the Big East
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