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The ACC has great brands and great markets but will cable companies sign on at SEC/B1G type rates without SEC/B1G type alumni bases, State Universities, and market penetration. Each cable company cuts their own deals so we will now see unequivocally if Syracuse captures all of New York, Boston College > Massachusetts, Louisville > Kentucky, Pittsburgh > Pennsylvania, Georgia Tech > Georgia.
No doubt in my mind that Clemson will bring South Carolina , UVA & VA Tech > Virginia, FSU & Miami > Florida, the Carolina 4 > Carolina.
But it's a very different thing to say 14 team league with 9 state from which they draw subscriptions versus 14 teams with 4 states. With that sort of math the ACC Network would likely be making less than half of what the B1G/SEC would be making in spite of having more population within your borders.

We'll find out soon enough but keep in mind that the it also a matter of how much cable operators value ESPN. The consolidation of the cable industry (who also.happen to be the largest ISP's) also plays a factor. ESPN has the content & the infrastructure to add value to a cable package whether that's over traditional cable packages or skiny bundled services like Sling TV.

Obviously, ESPN thinks so or they wouldn't be doing this.

They will be faced with some push back. How much push back they face will have to wait until things are negotiated with the carriers.

I'm sure the ACC Network will pay out around $3M to $4.5M per school. That isn't terrible, but it isn't SECN or BTN level. And those few millions a year difference isn't enough to make conference realignment happen anyways.

The reason for 2019, this is when Disney will be renegotiating multiple networks. Thus lumping in the ESPN networks with other Disney Networks. Actually a pretty smart move by the ACC willing to wait for this.

(07-27-2016 08:27 AM)mj4life Wrote:  We'll find out soon enough but keep in mind that the it also a matter of how much cable operators value ESPN. The consolidation of the cable industry (who also.happen to be the largest ISP's) also plays a factor. ESPN has the content & the infrastructure to add value to a cable package whether that's over traditional cable packages or skiny bundled services like Sling TV.

Cable companies also have a say in the matter. My retort would go something like this "why couldnt ESPN muscle the Longhorn Network onto boxes in Texas."

Another question that I have was why 2019? The ACC has been asking for a Network since at least 2012? Didn't the SEC Network drop in like a year after reports that you all would be getting one? It could be a rights thing or something else but why the delay. I know cord cutting is ongoing but that would in theory make the network less valuable tomorrow than today. It would make sense to me to ramp up and start in a year just like the SEC if they knew it would make money.

(07-27-2016 09:40 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The reason for 2019, this is when Disney will be renegotiating multiple networks. Thus lumping in the ESPN networks with other Disney Networks. Actually a pretty smart move by the ACC willing to wait for this.

Didn't see this post until after I posted asking why 2019. Good call. I still think the cable companies will push back but it does give the ACC a maximum amount of levetage

(07-27-2016 09:40 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The reason for 2019, this is when Disney will be renegotiating multiple networks. Thus lumping in the ESPN networks with other Disney Networks. Actually a pretty smart move by the ACC willing to wait for this.

Isn't it also when the the Raycom deal expires?

The ACC Network will be packaged with The SEC Network and other ESPN properties. Will we see some contraction in the number of ESPN stations? Possibly, as it has been noted The ACC Network will be the 8th (The Ocho) linear channel for ESPN.

ESPN will probably market The ACC Network for basketball the way they did SEC Network for football.
CJ

Why worry about this? Let ESPN worry.

The best news is that the 20 year GOR is in place.

(07-27-2016 09:42 AM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 08:27 AM)mj4life Wrote:  We'll find out soon enough but keep in mind that the it also a matter of how much cable operators value ESPN. The consolidation of the cable industry (who also.happen to be the largest ISP's) also plays a factor. ESPN has the content & the infrastructure to add value to a cable package whether that's over traditional cable packages or skiny bundled services like Sling TV.

Cable companies also have a say in the matter. My retort would go something like this "why couldnt ESPN muscle the Longhorn Network onto boxes in Texas."

Another question that I have was why 2019? The ACC has been asking for a Network since at least 2012? Didn't the SEC Network drop in like a year after reports that you all would be getting one? It could be a rights thing or something else but why the delay. I know cord cutting is ongoing but that would in theory make the network less valuable tomorrow than today. It would make sense to me to ramp up and start in a year just like the SEC if they knew it would make money.

2019 is when alot of Disney/ESPN renewals are up. So how much do cable companies value those deals especially since live content is what's keeping even more people from cutting the cord. The LHN has exclusive rights to a handful of games while the ACCN will have access to 400 plus including 40 football & 100 plus basketball games

My understanding is that each school has also committed to providing a lot of exclusive on demand content for the ACCN Extra platform. I pay 80 bucks per year for condensed replays, coaches shows& Olympic sports broadcast. I would shell out 100 bucks for access to live football/basketball broadcasts for UNC alone but would definitely find value in a package that also included 14 other schools

One idea I have heard floated by local radio. They actually put the channel on in 2018 with the ESPN suite for free. Hook them with the following. Build the ratings.

Put UNC vs Duke BBALL on the ACC Channel
All ACC Home ND football games on the ACC Channel
Put top basketball teams on the ACC Channel as much as possible.
Possibly Clemson vs FSU football in the ACC Channel

Try to build the network like they did ESPN2 when that was who carried the Duke/UNC Bball game. Not saying it will work, but not the craziest idea.

(07-27-2016 09:30 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  They will be faced with some push back. How much push back they face will have to wait until things are negotiated with the carriers.

I'm sure the ACC Network will pay out around $3M to $4.5M per school. That isn't terrible, but it isn't SECN or BTN level. And those few millions a year difference isn't enough to make conference realignment happen anyways.

Not saying you are wrong, but why do you think only $3 to $4.5M per school? Clay Travis - the SEC guy who has not love for the ACC - estimates $6 to $8M per school.

One reason ESPN has a fairly easy time selling this, is in addition to the bundles, ESPN gives away a LOT of commercial time to the cablers to make up their investment. that was one reason why they were able to sell the SEC Network so easily. I think you will see the ACC network sell rather easily as well for the same reasons, plus the fact that in ACC markets, basketball draws really well, AND basketball is the primary driver of the Big Ten Network.

What the SEC Network, and the ACC network offer, si direct advertising for southeastern based companies, that can pay to reach their market, without having to overpay and advertise nationally, where they cannot do business. I said this because I see companies advertise on the ACC Network syndicated games, and on SEC Network games, that I NEVER see advertise on ESPN, TBS, CBS, etc. You Bojangles, Food Lion, Kroger, Havoline, etc.

(07-27-2016 12:12 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 09:30 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  They will be faced with some push back. How much push back they face will have to wait until things are negotiated with the carriers.

I'm sure the ACC Network will pay out around $3M to $4.5M per school. That isn't terrible, but it isn't SECN or BTN level. And those few millions a year difference isn't enough to make conference realignment happen anyways.

Not saying you are wrong, but why do you think only $3 to $4.5M per school? Clay Travis - the SEC guy who has not love for the ACC - estimates $6 to $8M per school.

travis clay the "reporter" from out kick my 3rd grade math skills and 1st grade financial understanding predicts something

http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/sec-ne...ics-050613

you mean the guy that has the SECn paying $10+ million a year starting out and the guy that has each SEC SEC SEC team making $61 million dollars per year from the SEC SEC SEC sometime in the near future

the guy that takes pretty much every PERSON in SEC SEC SEC Country Country Country and multiplies them by $3.50 per month and then adds in ridiculous ad rates and divides it in half to get what a conference will make from a network

yea he is really reliable

There are threats from many smaller cable companies that they will drop all ESPN Channels and Disney Channels because of their forcing channels on them. We already had smaller cable companies went bankrupt because of ESPN's dirty tactics in forcing channels.

The ACC has three years of digital streaming to build an audience for its content before the cable channel even launches.

The ACC is the best conference in the land for all-year sports content and it claims a potent footprint. The network will make money as long as cable itself does.

How much? No one knows yet. We'll see. Much depends on how our schools continue to do as they go forward. Those games have yet to be played.
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Until we know, some gloomy forecasts will make the rounds. The ACC destruction fantasists had a bad week last week. They need a thread of denial to cling to.

ACC signs grant of rights
> 'It's not a real grant of rights!'

ACC announces network talks
> 'It's a lie! There are no talks!'

ACC and ESPN announce network plus extended grant of rights
> (long silence... then) 'Well, no one will carry it!'

Any port in a storm.

(07-27-2016 09:16 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Obviously, ESPN thinks so or they wouldn't be doing this.

It's either hubris or ESPN has something up their sleeve. I'm betting on the latter!

Basketball has more influence on the value of a linear conference network than it does in the value of the main media package, since the conference can put more basketball content on. I saw a bit of a rerun of Big Ten media days on TSUN this morning, and their schedule showed exactly one BTN FB game.