(07-27-2016 03:59 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  UCF is the definition of inconsistent, they were Fiesta Bowl champions and 12-1 just two years ago. I see them for what they are, which is a large public school in a vacant pro football market. If only they had stuck to that Florida Tech name instead of a directional name, even if they try to play it off by using initials.

You are one of the few that understands the power of the FTU name.

(07-27-2016 04:43 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:59 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  UCF is the definition of inconsistent, they were Fiesta Bowl champions and 12-1 just two years ago. I see them for what they are, which is a large public school in a vacant pro football market. If only they had stuck to that Florida Tech name instead of a directional name, even if they try to play it off by using initials.

University of Southern California is a directional school also.

Stop. No it isn't. It's a private school that have been around since the 1800's.

(07-27-2016 02:05 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Here were Andre Ware and Butch Davis's Big 12 expansion guesses. They each had the same 4 teams. UH, UC, BYU, UCF..



In the event that happens, does the AAC chase the losses in Tx and Florida or does it chart a new path?

STAY OUT OF FLORIDA AND TEXAS:

Personally, I think SMU and USF would benefit more by not having to compete with another in-state AAC program. Let them be unique in those states. Not only that but I don't think there is another AAC caliber program left in either state. Rice is probably the closest thing, but they still share a city with another fbs program and the AAC really needs unique markets.

This scenario affects basketball less than other scenarios (Cincinnati being the biggest mbb loss). However, it would still put the AAC at 8 basketball schools, so I still believe 1 mbb school (to offset Navy) would help a lot to bring the #'s to 9/9 before choosing one all-sports addition to have a 10-team conference in both the major money sports.

Where would you like to see our new program(s) come from?

Frankly, I'd like to see the ACC look East (which it seems like we probably are). If we need 1 all-sports, I think it will come out of the ODU (budget), UMass (basketball & brand), or (darkhorse) Ohio (Cincinnati replacement) group.

This conference evolved from Eastern roots, and I see it heading back that way.

Of course, if Army (also Eastern) can finally be persuaded to be that #10 football team (after seeing how successful NAVY was last year), that's a game changer.

AAC basketball #'s would need serious attention though, which could possibly mean 2-4 new basketball programs.

Andre ware and butch davis. Lmao. A freaking brain trust. In guess the b12 doesnt expand after all. Have they ever been right about anything. Good grief. Did andre get permission from texas to say that?
Lol

You pick the best schools regardless of location. Simple as that.

That said, presidents will have to decide what sort of league they want to be. Do you want to be an academically prestigious league? Then your looking at schools like Buffalo, Air Force, Colorado State, Rice, and UMass.

If you want to create the best G5 football league possible, then choices like Southern Miss, LaTech, Marshall, NIU, etc. start making more sense.

Personally, I don't think there's much out there that helps academics, adds to football, and helps value.

I'd probably add a few non-football schools that would shore up the basketball side of the league and replace as few football members as possible to avoid dilution. So, maybe add Wochita, VCU, and UMass in basketball. I wouldn't add any football schools as long as I still have at least 10 football members.

(07-27-2016 02:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:43 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:59 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  UCF is the definition of inconsistent, they were Fiesta Bowl champions and 12-1 just two years ago. I see them for what they are, which is a large public school in a vacant pro football market. If only they had stuck to that Florida Tech name instead of a directional name, even if they try to play it off by using initials.

University of Southern California is a directional school also.

Stop. No it isn't. It's a private school that have been around since the 1800's.

The directional school stigma is the current made up terminology to knock down up and coming schools. They used to do the same thing with city named schools and schools like Memphis State and Boise State. There is no real definition of the term and I've never heard it discussed on any major sports TV network.

(07-27-2016 03:08 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 02:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:43 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:59 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  UCF is the definition of inconsistent, they were Fiesta Bowl champions and 12-1 just two years ago. I see them for what they are, which is a large public school in a vacant pro football market. If only they had stuck to that Florida Tech name instead of a directional name, even if they try to play it off by using initials.

University of Southern California is a directional school also.

Stop. No it isn't. It's a private school that have been around since the 1800's.

The directional school stigma is the current made up terminology to knock down up and coming schools. They used to do the same thing with city named schools and schools like Memphis State and Boise State. There is no real definition of the term and I've never heard it discussed on any major sports TV network.

Just a way to keep the "newer" schools down. Schools founded in the 1950's and newer, after the other names were already taken.

(07-27-2016 03:13 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:08 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 02:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:43 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:59 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  UCF is the definition of inconsistent, they were Fiesta Bowl champions and 12-1 just two years ago. I see them for what they are, which is a large public school in a vacant pro football market. If only they had stuck to that Florida Tech name instead of a directional name, even if they try to play it off by using initials.

University of Southern California is a directional school also.

Stop. No it isn't. It's a private school that have been around since the 1800's.

The directional school stigma is the current made up terminology to knock down up and coming schools. They used to do the same thing with city named schools and schools like Memphis State and Boise State. There is no real definition of the term and I've never heard it discussed on any major sports TV network.

Just a way to keep the "newer" schools down. Schools founded in the 1950's and newer, after the other names were already taken.

Exactly.

(07-27-2016 07:30 AM)acc4life Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the whole directional and city named university thing is bogus; there are plenty of them in the P5. Should Boise drop their "State" like Memphis did?

Perhaps and internet rumor has it, they are considering it. Yes it matters. A city name sounds way better than a directional name.

(07-27-2016 01:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The school's name will have less than zero impact on whether chosen or not. USF and UCF will be chosen or not chosen on merits not on whether their name sounds directional or not. USF has about 50,000 students and UCF has over 60,000, 2 of the largest schools in the country. By the way, "USF" sounds big time to me, not that it matters to the Big 12 or anyone else.

USF sounds like a school in San Francisco and it is as a matter of fact if you ask some people. That school also wears green and yellow/gold.

(07-27-2016 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 07:30 AM)acc4life Wrote:  I'm sorry, but the whole directional and city named university thing is bogus; there are plenty of them in the P5. Should Boise drop their "State" like Memphis did?

Perhaps and internet rumor has it, they are considering it. Yes it matters. A city name sounds way better than a directional name.

(07-27-2016 01:13 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The school's name will have less than zero impact on whether chosen or not. USF and UCF will be chosen or not chosen on merits not on whether their name sounds directional or not. USF has about 50,000 students and UCF has over 60,000, 2 of the largest schools in the country. By the way, "USF" sounds big time to me, not that it matters to the Big 12 or anyone else.

USF sounds like a school in San Francisco and it is as a matter of fact if you ask some people. That school also wears green and yellow/gold.

Lulz at bichin about teams with directions in their names when you could make more fun of the TCU's of the world

(07-27-2016 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A city name sounds way better than a directional name.

I dunno... USC vs UCLA...

Directional versus City

Seems like a push to me.

I think the main denominator is winning. UCF has done well at that for the most part. There was a reason the UConn coach singled UCF out for a rivalry trophy game.

If UCF were chosen by the Big 12, I think the sky is the limit. Another Arizona State type school.

(07-27-2016 03:13 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:08 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 02:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:43 AM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:59 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  UCF is the definition of inconsistent, they were Fiesta Bowl champions and 12-1 just two years ago. I see them for what they are, which is a large public school in a vacant pro football market. If only they had stuck to that Florida Tech name instead of a directional name, even if they try to play it off by using initials.

University of Southern California is a directional school also.

Stop. No it isn't. It's a private school that have been around since the 1800's.

The directional school stigma is the current made up terminology to knock down up and coming schools. They used to do the same thing with city named schools and schools like Memphis State and Boise State. There is no real definition of the term and I've never heard it discussed on any major sports TV network.

Just a way to keep the "newer" schools down. Schools founded in the 1950's and newer, after the other names were already taken.

Hardly, the directional schools were often founded later than the flagships. I don't even think a state flagship has a directional name AaMoF, I know for certain at least one used to be private and has a private school sounding name (Rutgers).

Meanwhile, Missouri State and Texas State both have improved their profile by dropping the direction "Southwest" from their respective names.

(07-27-2016 03:27 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:13 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:08 PM)acc4life Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 02:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 04:43 AM)acc4life Wrote:  University of Southern California is a directional school also.

Stop. No it isn't. It's a private school that have been around since the 1800's.

The directional school stigma is the current made up terminology to knock down up and coming schools. They used to do the same thing with city named schools and schools like Memphis State and Boise State. There is no real definition of the term and I've never heard it discussed on any major sports TV network.

Just a way to keep the "newer" schools down. Schools founded in the 1950's and newer, after the other names were already taken.

Hardly, the directional schools were often founded later than the flagships. I don't even think a state flagship has a directional name AaMoF, I know for certain at least one used to be private and has a private school sounding name (Rutgers).

Meanwhile, Missouri State and Texas State both have improved their profile by dropping the direction "Southwest" from their respective names.

Ok, we'll just go tell Jimbo Fisher we are taking it from them.

(07-27-2016 03:22 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 03:17 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  A city name sounds way better than a directional name.

I dunno... USC vs UCLA...

Directional versus City

Seems like a push to me.

I think the main denominator is winning. UCF has done well at that for the most part. There was a reason the UConn coach singled UCF out for a rivalry trophy game.

If UCF were chosen by the Big 12, I think the sky is the limit. Another Arizona State type school.

UCLA is not (directly) named for a city. In a place like LA, it's not really necessary but at the same time, a school named Los Angeles would have been huge though UCLA more or less fills that void. Heck, even USC does but LA is an exception.

Honestly, "Florida Southern" would have sounded much better than South Florida as a school name.