The AAC is going to 20 conference games in basketball and some P5 conferences have gone to 9 conference games in football. Or if the P5 conference plays only 8 conference games a non conference with another P5 is required.

This all part of the plan to minimize non P5 exposure and revenue.

As soon as the Big 12 takes the best teams from
The AAC it will reduce the AAC's TV revenue going forward.

For those left in the G5 it will not matter what conference you are in.

The P5 conferences don't have to leave and form a new division and face all of the political fall out or anti trust problems or worries about March Maddness,

They have already done it.

1. The have their own governence
2. Their Conferences are the only ones that will ever make the 4 team FBS playoffs.
3. Most bowl games are P5 vs P5 and G5 vs G5
4. They have more at large teams in the NCAA Basketball Tourney.
5. They get virtually all the TV exposure and money
6. They have expanded their conference members so less games are needed against G5 teams in basketball and football.
7. They added COA to make it even harder for schools with smaller budgets to compete.

This was all planned out. Boise St scared them a few years ago, And they could not have that continue with other schools. They wanted to make sure there was not a level playing field.

They P5 conferences wanted to make sure
No G5 team would ever make the 4 team playoff
They were even willing to leave one P5 conference champ out of the playoff each year.
They could have had a 6 team playoff
With the 5 P5 champs and the highest
Ranked G5 champ but no. They did not even
Want to chance that upset possibility.

If that was in place last year Houston could
Have gone to the 6 Team playoff and WKU
would have been in the Peach Bowl

But do you know they have even prevented
That from happening. If a G5 school some how
Does ever get to the 4 team playoff the G5 schools
Do not get another team in the New Years Day bowls

FBS Football is the only sport on any level that you can't tell
your team at the start of the season if you go undefeated you will be the champ

Are you new to this? Sucks to be G5.

(07-26-2016 08:50 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Are you new to this? Sucks to be G5.

No I am Not new to this I am just saying this was an planned effort to make the gap as wide as possible between the P5 vs G5 rather than be inclusive

And we get a post on here once a month about the P5 breaking away to form their own division. They already have.

Some posters seem to think that a P4 with P4 champs only in the CFP can't happen because politically there will be back lash. It can happen. If the G6 really make a sink the P4 will break away for football and maybe basketball taking the top 10 or so basketball leagues with them.

(07-26-2016 11:04 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 08:50 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Are you new to this? Sucks to be G5.

No I am Not new to this I am just saying this was an planned effort to make the gap as wide as possible between the P5 vs G5 rather than be inclusive

And we get a post on here once a month about the P5 breaking away to form their own division. They already have.

Exactly.

What they want to do is use their money and advantages to keep control of college athletics. As if those schools are entitled to control the landscape forever.

1) In the 70's they started with the division concept, breaking the NCAA into Division 1, 2 and 3. It was voluntary for schools and their was a path if a school met certain requirements to transition to D1. No harm done right?

2) They convinced the NCAA to expand their tournaments with at-large bids which benefited the top programs. It did give the little guy more potential access at first.

3) Created FBS the top division of football out of D1 which a school if it met requirements have easy access to move up to.

4) Eliminated the NCAA Football TV package in the early 80's to pave the way for acceleration of TV rights. At first the tide seemed to rise all boats as every conference could get their own TV package.

5) Instituted scholarship limits that in a lot of ways made it more competitive for non-P5 programs.

The changes benefited the power schools but there was nothing really preventing a school from joining the club. That has really changed over the last 10 years.

1) Instituted play-in games to preserve 30 automatic bids in the NCAA tournament. Completely favors the power schools.

2) Added the requirement that to move to Division 1 a school had to receive an invite from an existing D1 conference. Now the placement in a lower division is no longer voluntary its has become mandatory.

3) Eliminated RPI a controllable factor for NCAA at large bid for Top 25 wins as the primary factor. Performance in the last 10 games thrown out. Made it a lot tougher to get an at-large out of a non-P5.

4) Required admission to an FBS conference to join the top level of football. This has locked out several programs like Liberty and JMU from having a shot at FBS.

5) Set up a 4 team playoff with teams selected by a committee using power wins as the criteria which obviously favor the P5.

A lot of these moves the G5 has been willing actors for unfortunately. The money scraps at schools in some cases have become quite large.

Imagine if you are a DII school aspiring to win the College Football Playoff.

-You may have to wait decades to get into a D1 conference.

-Once in D1 you'll have to wait decades more for an FBS opening.

It would take 100 years today just to get to FBS where in the 80's and 90's schools were moving from DII to FBS in the course of just a few years.

(07-26-2016 11:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Some posters seem to think that a P4 with P4 champs only in the CFP can't happen because politically there will be back lash. It can happen. If the G6 really make a sink the P4 will break away for football and maybe basketball taking the top 10 or so basketball leagues with them.

The top 12 champion rule for the BCS was working pretty good. In most years the MWC, CUSA, MAC, SBC would produce a school that was worthy of a BCS bowl. With the media polls and computers that didn't count margin of victory it gave the smaller conferences at least a fighting chance.

The access bowl was supposed to be even better because it guaranteed a champ every year from the AAC, CUSA, MWC, MAC, SBC. The problem is they put in a committee that works like the NCAA basketball committee where they devalue your schedule without enough power wins which are tough to schedule as a G5.

I think if the PAC, B12, ACC find they are under represented in the playoff combined with the G5 woes there is going to be some changes made.

The P5 don't want to just take over football. Right now, there is still more money in the basketball tourney. They want that, too.

(07-27-2016 12:03 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 11:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Some posters seem to think that a P4 with P4 champs only in the CFP can't happen because politically there will be back lash. It can happen. If the G6 really make a sink the P4 will break away for football and maybe basketball taking the top 10 or so basketball leagues with them.

The top 12 champion rule for the BCS was working pretty good. In most years the MWC, CUSA, MAC, SBC would produce a school that was worthy of a BCS bowl. With the media polls and computers that didn't count margin of victory it gave the smaller conferences at least a fighting chance.

The access bowl was supposed to be even better because it guaranteed a champ every year from the AAC, CUSA, MWC, MAC, SBC. The problem is they put in a committee that works like the NCAA basketball committee where they devalue your schedule without enough power wins which are tough to schedule as a G5.

I think if the PAC, B12, ACC find they are under represented in the playoff combined with the G5 woes there is going to be some changes made.

huh, this is where folks lose me.

before you had to be in the top 12 to make the BCS.

NOW the top team from the G5 conferences are guaranteed a spot in the access bowl...

So where before you had to be in top 12, now there's a team guaranteed- how is it worse? The G5 is better off now than before. There will always be a G5 team in an access bowl- at least for the next 10 years. That was not guaranteed before.

Now if you're bitching that the AAC has an advantage over the other G5 conferences- that's a totally different argument. And still- just as bogus. I'm sorry but wake me up when other conferences have more than the 8 P5 wins the AAC had last year.
AAC 8-13 vs P5 plus ND
MAC 4-20 vs P5 plus ND
CUSA 2-23
MWC 3-19
SBC 0-19

The access bowl may be guaranteed but one and only one G5 is permitted to play in a CFP bowl.

There was one year where both Boise and TCU made a BCS bowl as non-AQ. They had to play each other of course.

(07-27-2016 01:45 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 12:03 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 11:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Some posters seem to think that a P4 with P4 champs only in the CFP can't happen because politically there will be back lash. It can happen. If the G6 really make a sink the P4 will break away for football and maybe basketball taking the top 10 or so basketball leagues with them.

The top 12 champion rule for the BCS was working pretty good. In most years the MWC, CUSA, MAC, SBC would produce a school that was worthy of a BCS bowl. With the media polls and computers that didn't count margin of victory it gave the smaller conferences at least a fighting chance.

The access bowl was supposed to be even better because it guaranteed a champ every year from the AAC, CUSA, MWC, MAC, SBC. The problem is they put in a committee that works like the NCAA basketball committee where they devalue your schedule without enough power wins which are tough to schedule as a G5.

I think if the PAC, B12, ACC find they are under represented in the playoff combined with the G5 woes there is going to be some changes made.

huh, this is where folks lose me.

before you had to be in the top 12 to make the BCS.

NOW the top team from the G5 conferences are guaranteed a spot in the access bowl...

So where before you had to be in top 12, now there's a team guaranteed- how is it worse? The G5 is better off now than before. There will always be a G5 team in an access bowl- at least for the next 10 years. That was not guaranteed before.

Now if you're bitching that the AAC has an advantage over the other G5 conferences- that's a totally different argument. And still- just as bogus. I'm sorry but wake me up when other conferences have more than the 8 P5 wins the AAC had last year.
AAC 8-13 vs P5 plus ND
MAC 4-20 vs P5 plus ND
CUSA 2-23
MWC 3-19
SBC 0-19

What don't you get??? In the BCS era the Natty Champ could be crowned based on who had the most impressive BCS Bowl win. Computers played a part too. If you were Boise and you won your BCS game by a landslide and the other BCS games were crap, there was a "chance" Boise could be the champ.
Now the winner HAS to come from one of the 4 playoff spots. The 4 spots are determined by crusty old farts who would NEVER allow a G5 team a playoff spot because their SoS is so weak because they don't play a P5 schedule. More and more P5 conferences are making rules to limit the games they play against G5 teams. Many influential coaches (Saban, Holgerson, etc) have publicly stated P5 programs should only play P5 programs. The gap is growing wider every year.

They will have to take some schools with them as well.

Take one school from all 50 states that are publics. Just so that they will not get into anti-trust lawsuits with the government.

They do need to take schools from D1 and D2 that have sports that not all P5 have like ice hockey, LAX, baseball, gymnastics, wrestling, soccer and so forth.

(07-26-2016 08:45 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The AAC is going to 20 conference games in basketball and some P5 conferences have gone to 9 conference games in football. Or if the P5 conference plays only 8 conference games a non conference with another P5 is required.

This all part of the plan to minimize non P5 exposure and revenue.

As soon as the Big 12 takes the best teams from
The AAC it will reduce the AAC's TV revenue going forward.

For those left in the G5 it will not matter what conference you are in.

The P5 conferences don't have to leave and form a new division and face all of the political fall out or anti trust problems or worries about March Maddness,

They have already done it.

1. The have their own governence
2. Their Conferences are the only ones that will ever make the 4 team FBS playoffs.
3. Most bowl games are P5 vs P5 and G5 vs G5
4. They have more at large teams in the NCAA Basketball Tourney.
5. They get virtually all the TV exposure and money
6. They have expanded their conference members so less games are needed against G5 teams in basketball and football.
7. They added COA to make it even harder for schools with smaller budgets to compete.

This was all planned out. Boise St scared them a few years ago, And they could not have that continue with other schools. They wanted to make sure there was not a level playing field.

They P5 conferences wanted to make sure
No G5 team would ever make the 4 team playoff
They were even willing to leave one P5 conference champ out of the playoff each year.
They could have had a 6 team playoff
With the 5 P5 champs and the highest
Ranked G5 champ but no. They did not even
Want to chance that upset possibility.

If that was in place last year Houston could
Have gone to the 6 Team playoff and WKU
would have been in the Peach Bowl

But do you know they have even prevented
That from happening. If a G5 school some how
Does ever get to the 4 team playoff the G5 schools
Do not get another team in the New Years Day bowls

FBS Football is the only sport on any level that you can't tell
your team at the start of the season if you go undefeated you will be the champ

(07-26-2016 08:50 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Are you new to this? Sucks to be G5.

Fin

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(07-27-2016 09:09 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 01:45 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 12:03 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(07-26-2016 11:10 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Some posters seem to think that a P4 with P4 champs only in the CFP can't happen because politically there will be back lash. It can happen. If the G6 really make a sink the P4 will break away for football and maybe basketball taking the top 10 or so basketball leagues with them.

The top 12 champion rule for the BCS was working pretty good. In most years the MWC, CUSA, MAC, SBC would produce a school that was worthy of a BCS bowl. With the media polls and computers that didn't count margin of victory it gave the smaller conferences at least a fighting chance.

The access bowl was supposed to be even better because it guaranteed a champ every year from the AAC, CUSA, MWC, MAC, SBC. The problem is they put in a committee that works like the NCAA basketball committee where they devalue your schedule without enough power wins which are tough to schedule as a G5.

I think if the PAC, B12, ACC find they are under represented in the playoff combined with the G5 woes there is going to be some changes made.

huh, this is where folks lose me.

before you had to be in the top 12 to make the BCS.

NOW the top team from the G5 conferences are guaranteed a spot in the access bowl...

So where before you had to be in top 12, now there's a team guaranteed- how is it worse? The G5 is better off now than before. There will always be a G5 team in an access bowl- at least for the next 10 years. That was not guaranteed before.

Now if you're bitching that the AAC has an advantage over the other G5 conferences- that's a totally different argument. And still- just as bogus. I'm sorry but wake me up when other conferences have more than the 8 P5 wins the AAC had last year.
AAC 8-13 vs P5 plus ND
MAC 4-20 vs P5 plus ND
CUSA 2-23
MWC 3-19
SBC 0-19

What don't you get??? In the BCS era the Natty Champ could be crowned based on who had the most impressive BCS Bowl win. Computers played a part too. If you were Boise and you won your BCS game by a landslide and the other BCS games were crap, there was a "chance" Boise could be the champ.
Now the winner HAS to come from one of the 4 playoff spots. The 4 spots are determined by crusty old farts who would NEVER allow a G5 team a playoff spot because their SoS is so weak because they don't play a P5 schedule. More and more P5 conferences are making rules to limit the games they play against G5 teams. Many influential coaches (Saban, Holgerson, etc) have publicly stated P5 programs should only play P5 programs. The gap is growing wider every year.

um, no. The BCS title game winner was always going to be the title team.

(07-27-2016 05:43 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The access bowl may be guaranteed but one and only one G5 is permitted to play in a CFP bowl.

There was one year where both Boise and TCU made a BCS bowl as non-AQ. They had to play each other of course.

there is NO such rule.