I keep reading that the Big 12 will announce in September or October.

What happened to the minimum of a one year announcement to be added for the next season? Wouldn't any adds for 2017 have to be done before the end of August?

If the Big XII decides to expand, I doubt it would be for 2017. At the earliest it would be 2018. I don't think they will announce that they have decided to expand until they actually have specific schools they can all agree on. They aren't there yet, and I doubt they get there until after this season starts. For that reason, they could wait until January.

BYU is the only one who could join in 2017 without exit requirements from a conference--though the longer the wait the harder it is to reschedule games. Probably not happening until 2018 in reality.

(07-27-2016 07:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  If the Big XII decides to expand, I doubt it would be for 2017. At the earliest it would be 2018. I don't think they will announce that they have decided to expand until they actually have specific schools they can all agree on. They aren't there yet, and I doubt they get there until after this season starts. For that reason, they could wait until January.

Do the selections/approvals have to be unanimous?

(07-27-2016 07:59 AM)f1do Wrote:  BYU is the only one who could join in 2017 without exit requirements from a conference--though the longer the wait the harder it is to reschedule games. Probably not happening until 2018 in reality.

There's no need to add BYU until the other schools can be added.

(07-27-2016 08:20 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 07:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  If the Big XII decides to expand, I doubt it would be for 2017. At the earliest it would be 2018. I don't think they will announce that they have decided to expand until they actually have specific schools they can all agree on. They aren't there yet, and I doubt they get there until after this season starts. For that reason, they could wait until January.

Do the selections/approvals have to be unanimous?

Heard vote needs to be 8 of 10.

They need to wait to see how ECU does this year.

(07-27-2016 11:06 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 08:20 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 07:23 AM)ken d Wrote:  If the Big XII decides to expand, I doubt it would be for 2017. At the earliest it would be 2018. I don't think they will announce that they have decided to expand until they actually have specific schools they can all agree on. They aren't there yet, and I doubt they get there until after this season starts. For that reason, they could wait until January.

Do the selections/approvals have to be unanimous?

Heard vote needs to be 8 of 10.

WVU showed it can be done. Just how much are you willing to pay to expedite the Exit.

Looked at 2017 & 2018 schedules to see how much of an Impact.
Houston can move with no problem - No Buyouts already has TT scheduled.
Cinci - Buy out FCS game and Move a @Miami to another year
Memphis - Buy out 2 FCS games
UCONN - Buy out 2 FCS games

The one with most schedule and costly change appears to be BYU. They would have to move or buy out 9 games for 2017 A conservative estimate they will need to spend 7-10 million to buyout the games. Probably another 3-5 Million a year for 2018-2020 in buyouts. The schedule change alone I would guess 15- 20 million. About what it would cost for the AAC schools to play by 2017.

Just for fun, I checked out the future schedules of what games would need bought out.

Houston would not have to by any out there fourth came is TT.

Cinci - Only would have to buy Austin-Peay out and move a future @Miami-OH game to another year.

Memphis would have to buy out two FCS games.

Very doubtful it would be done by 2017 anyway. WVU is the lone example of a program leaving in less than a year. Literally every single other school that left any conference anywhere gave more than a year's notice. That goes for P5 conferences or G5 conferences.

2018 would be likely though.

(07-27-2016 11:46 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Very doubtful it would be done by 2017 anyway. WVU is the lone example of a program leaving in less than a year. Literally every single other school that left any conference anywhere gave more than a year's notice. That goes for P5 conferences or G5 conferences.

2018 would be likely though.

Texas A&M and Mizzou are others as well!

(07-27-2016 12:14 PM)MSSTATE_Texan Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 11:46 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Very doubtful it would be done by 2017 anyway. WVU is the lone example of a program leaving in less than a year. Literally every single other school that left any conference anywhere gave more than a year's notice. That goes for P5 conferences or G5 conferences.

2018 would be likely though.

Texas A&M and Mizzou are others as well!

OK, didn't realize they left in less than a year.

(07-27-2016 11:41 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  WVU showed it can be done. Just how much are you willing to pay to expedite the Exit.

The AAC still has that requirement of giving 27 months notice before a member leaves, right? Any AAC member leaving for the Big 12 is presumably not going to want to wait over 2 years before starting in the Big 12, so they'll have to put a lot of money on the table to leave earlier. Maybe not as much as WVU paid. The comparables are probably what was paid by Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Louisville.

(07-27-2016 11:41 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  WVU showed it can be done. Just how much are you willing to pay to expedite the Exit.

Looked at 2017 & 2018 schedules to see how much of an Impact.
Houston can move with no problem - No Buyouts already has TT scheduled.
Cinci - Buy out FCS game and Move a @Miami to another year
Memphis - Buy out 2 FCS games
UCONN - Buy out 2 FCS games

WVU had a need to do it though, as the Big 12 had TV commitments to fill. No need to do that this time no matter who is in. I don't think you will see anyone leave a conference less than a year out. So if not August 1 of this year, then anyone joining would join at the earliest August 1, 2018 IMO.

(07-27-2016 07:16 AM)SMUfan Wrote:  I keep reading that the Big 12 will announce in September or October.

What happened to the minimum of a one year announcement to be added for the next season? Wouldn't any adds for 2017 have to be done before the end of August?

I expect an announcement in August prior to the season kickoff. I believe the B12 already knows who is in. I also believe some of the schools getting an invite do. Time will tell.

I wonder if BYU can transfer eight of their 2018 games to New Mexico State, who is scheduled to be an independent that season.


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(07-27-2016 11:41 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  ...

The one with most schedule and costly change appears to be BYU. They would have to move or buy out 9 games for 2017 A conservative estimate they will need to spend 7-10 million to buyout the games. Probably another 3-5 Million a year for 2018-2020 in buyouts. The schedule change alone I would guess 15- 20 million. About what it would cost for the AAC schools to play by 2017.

It has been the understanding of BYU fans for a number of years that our contracts with teams have an out clause for joining a P5 conference. Someone did a public records access of the BYU vs. Missouri game, and it came out then. Haven't read the document myself, or seen the contracts myself, but it seems to be conventional wisdom right now. Can't guarantee much of anything, of course, but it seems reasonable that BYU would have included such a clause.

Go Cougs!!!!!!

It is one thing to use that clause to get out of future games. It would be another animal to use it get out of games the upcoming season.

(07-28-2016 08:29 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  It is one thing to use that clause to get out of future games. It would be another animal to use it get out of games the upcoming season.

Found the text, which Vanquish The Foe dug up.
VAnquish the Foe article

Quoted by Fido, on Cougar Corner

Quote: (ii) the defaulting party's decision to join a conference, whether currently existing or newly created, that is different from its current conference or independent affiliation, and that includes at least four (4) schools that currently belong to a Power 5 conference, which decision to cancel must be made and communicated to the other party within one year after the defaulting party joins that conference, but no later than eighteen (18) months prior to each respective game,

This is from the Mississippi State contract. At the time, BYU people were looking at the 4 P5-schools language. But what I'm looking at is the 18-month notice.

So if BYU gets an invitation this September 2016, 18 months would be March 2018, in time for the 2018-19 year.

Edit: Similar clause in the Michigan State contract, same 18 month notice requirement. Or BYU could just pay the $1,000,000 per game.
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-cougar...ate-series

FBSchedules.com has 10 games for BYU in 2018 and only 7 games for BYU in 2019, and 8 games for 2020. Joining a conference may not be so painful after all, even if the Big 12 stays at 9 conference games, especially since BYU has no non-conference games for 2024, at least 1 opening in 2025, and 2 each in 2026 and 2027.


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