(07-29-2016 12:04 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  last season

Lville beat BC 17-14. They beat Wake 20-19.

They were blown out by FSU. They beat the Cavs at home by 1 TD. They lost to Pitt by 10.

Their biggest margin of victory against a P5 team was against a bad Syracuse team. 2nd biggest was against Kentucky, a bad team.

Their best win was either a 7 point win on the road at NC State, or the 6 point win over a bad Texas AM team in a bowl game.

don't get the hype for them this year.

Let's look at the Clem - Lville game last year in more detail.

Watson was 21 out of 30 passing, for 6.7 yards per attempt. He was only sacked once for 4 yards. He did have two interceptions. He had 200 yards passing and 54 yards rushing. Our RB Gallman had 139 yards rushing which means that CU did not not need to throw it that much.

Lville had 19 yards rushing compared to CU's 202. CU had 5 yards per carry, compared to 0.7 yards per carry for Lville.

Lville was sacked 5 times for 31 yards. Lville was 2 for 14 on 3rd down and this game was in Lville.

Here is the reason the game was close.

Lville had 168 yards on kickoff returns, Lville had a 100 yard kickoff return TD, which I believe was real late in the game. It is not likely Clemson's speical teams was as bad it was last year, it was like 127th last year.

our offense should be better this year with NFL talent WR Mike Williams back and our speedster WR more experienced.

For much of last season the Cards were deciding on which of 3 QB's to use. Jackson had been on campus for just a few months. He was limited to the shotgun & couldn't look through his progressions or read defenses. The OL was young & inexperienced. The schedule was front loaded as well, having Clemson, FSU, Auburn & Houston within the first 5-6 games.

The hype this year is surrounding the progress Jackson made by the bowl game. That "bad" A&M team still had a defense ranked #41 in the country & Jackson still managed to run & pass for over 200 yards, a feat accomplished by only 2 other QB's EVER. He has a larger play book now, can run his progressions & read defenses. The OL has had a full season to jell & the young WR core has gained a season of experience as well. It's easy to expect the offense to be more potent this season.

The Cards defense finished ranked #14 last year, Clemson was #13. The Cards biggest loss from last season is DL S Rankins. Young will also be out with an injury after breaking his hip against A&M. The younger players have gained experience & in some cases have taken first team spots away from last year starters, J Alexander is ahead of S Wiggens for example. The defense will be solid again this year.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stat...totalYards

You can make up any excuse you want & recite any stat that you want but last years national runner up only escaped PJCS due to a missed FG. Special teams count to!

your team had no big wins last year.

you are overhyping them like crazy. as you admit, your QB wasn't the main guy most of the year last season, yet you think he's going to come to Clemson and be amazing. thee is no basis for that.

their stats in the game were terrible. Watson was 21 of 30 passing, so your defense wasn't dominating him, only 1 sack for 4 yards, but again, he was coming off a bad knee injury, and we had lost our top NFL talented WR the week before. He had 250 total yards and would have had more if not for the inteceptions. our coaches also didn't want to run him that much that early in the season given the knee injury a few months back.

CU also ran the ball down Lville's throat. you say CU didn't play well but still lost the game at home despite a 100 yard kickoff return late in the game.

i understand special teams is part of the game. my point is CU's special teams is not likely to be as bad this year. lville had a ton of kickoff return yards and still lost the game at home.

(07-29-2016 12:30 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  your team had no big wins last year.

you are overhyping them like crazy. as you admit, your QB wasn't the main guy most of the year last season, yet you think he's going to come to Clemson and be amazing. thee is no basis for that.

their stats in the game were terrible. Watson was 21 of 30 passing, so your defense wasn't dominating him, only 1 sack for 4 yards, but again, he was coming off a bad knee injury, and we had lost our top NFL talented WR the week before. He had 250 total yards and would have had more if not for the inteceptions. our coaches also didn't want to run him that much that early in the season given the knee injury a few months back.

CU also ran the ball down Lville's throat. you say CU didn't play well but still lost the game at home despite a 100 yard kickoff return late in the game.

i understand special teams is part of the game. my point is CU's special teams is not likely to be as bad this year. lville had a ton of kickoff return yards and still lost the game at home.

How am I "overhyping them like crazy"? You pointed out stats & I pointed out stats. I've said Clemson is a title contender & Watson is a Heisman caliber QB. I've said Clemson is the favorite but Louisville could be dangerous & that I would be surprised if anyone got "destroyed". If you want to talk smack then take it to the smack board.

you are saying they are dangerous but there is no basis for that based on what they did last season. they could be a good team this year. so could a lot of teams.

that's my point, it isn't smack.

you keep talking about last year's game with Clemson, in which Lville could not run the ball, and Clemson had 200 yards rushing. and this game isn't at home for lville.

also, they had a different QB last year, who I believe is a better passer.

Lost in the chest thumping is the fact that Brent Venables has shut down Bobby Petrino's offense twice, to the tune of less than 275 yards per game. Hard to win games with an offense stuck in neutral.

(07-29-2016 03:27 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  you are saying they are dangerous but there is no basis for that based on what they did last season. they could be a good team this year. so could a lot of teams.

that's my point, it isn't smack.

you keep talking about last year's game with Clemson, in which Lville could not run the ball, and Clemson had 200 yards rushing. and this game isn't at home for lville.

also, they had a different QB last year, who I believe is a better passer.

I get it, no one is allowed to have an opinion that's different than yours. My opinion is shared by a lot of experts here in the preseason. You can keep pointing out that the Cards offense has been sluggish the last two years but it still doesn't change the fact that the Tigers have won by a combined 9 points in the their 2 games. Go back to to pestering Kap, I'm sure he misses you.

(07-29-2016 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Go back to to pestering Kap, I'm sure he misses you.

Please don't judge Clemson by this moron. I'm convinced he's a sock puppet of one of the crybaby Syracuse fans and this is their lashing out at being dominated in the revenue sports after all the braggadocio.

(07-29-2016 07:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Go back to to pestering Kap, I'm sure he misses you.

Please don't judge Clemson by this moron. I'm convinced he's a sock puppet of one of the crybaby Syracuse fans and this is their lashing out at being dominated in the revenue sports after all the braggadocio.

Kap you have already exposed him as a moron. I have great respect for Clemson & their fans. Clemson is not only my pick to win the ACC but to be playing for the title again this year. I am looking forward to October 1 however, "to be the man you have to beat the man".

(07-29-2016 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 03:27 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  you are saying they are dangerous but there is no basis for that based on what they did last season. they could be a good team this year. so could a lot of teams.

that's my point, it isn't smack.

you keep talking about last year's game with Clemson, in which Lville could not run the ball, and Clemson had 200 yards rushing. and this game isn't at home for lville.

also, they had a different QB last year, who I believe is a better passer.

I get it, no one is allowed to have an opinion that's different than yours. My opinion is shared by a lot of experts here in the preseason. You can keep pointing out that the Cards offense has been sluggish the last two years but it still doesn't change the fact that the Tigers have won by a combined 9 points in the their 2 games. Go back to to pestering Kap, I'm sure he misses you.

i never said you can't agree with me. You are mad at me because I don't agree with you. You are onme of these snowflakes safe zone people. it is an opinion board, I have an opinon.

you keep hyping up Jackson who had two good games against Kentucky and Texas AM. neither was a good team last year. Lville did not have a good o-line last year. it is going to have to be much better for Lville to win at Clemson.

i've also pointed out that two years ago Watson did not play most of the game. you keep talking about the last two seasons but has nothing to do with this season. Our stud NFL talent WR Mike Williams did not play last year.

Kap never went to Clemson but acts like he's like the spokesperson for Clemson. He says a lot of stuff that I never heard any Clemson alumni say.

Kap has never exposed anybody as a moron. he is just a guy with poor people skills and arrogance. he is one of these guys who think CLemson is too good to play NC State, SC etc. it seems like he miserable with CU playing ACC teams so it would make sense or him to just root for a SEC team given he's a sidewalk ffan. he is a debbie downer.


for some reason it offends our abrasive hero Kap that I pointed out Lville only had like 20 yards rushing in the game against Clemson last year, or that 1 of their TDS was a kickoff return touchdown, and discussed other statistics in the game etc.

(07-29-2016 07:30 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Go back to to pestering Kap, I'm sure he misses you.

Please don't judge Clemson by this moron. I'm convinced he's a sock puppet of one of the crybaby Syracuse fans and this is their lashing out at being dominated in the revenue sports after all the braggadocio.

You really are hung up on Syracuse fans. Im still trying to figure out why you go out of your way to call Syracuse fans out in a thread and argument that had nothing to do with Syracuse or its fans. Good to know that we rent a lot of free space in your head.

(07-29-2016 08:06 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 07:16 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(07-29-2016 03:27 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  you are saying they are dangerous but there is no basis for that based on what they did last season. they could be a good team this year. so could a lot of teams.

that's my point, it isn't smack.

you keep talking about last year's game with Clemson, in which Lville could not run the ball, and Clemson had 200 yards rushing. and this game isn't at home for lville.

also, they had a different QB last year, who I believe is a better passer.

I get it, no one is allowed to have an opinion that's different than yours. My opinion is shared by a lot of experts here in the preseason. You can keep pointing out that the Cards offense has been sluggish the last two years but it still doesn't change the fact that the Tigers have won by a combined 9 points in the their 2 games. Go back to to pestering Kap, I'm sure he misses you.

i never said you can't agree with me. You are mad at me because I don't agree with you. You are onme of these snowflakes safe zone people. it is an opinion board, I have an opinon.

you keep hyping up Jackson who had two good games against Kentucky and Texas AM. neither was a good team last year. Lville did not have a good o-line last year. it is going to have to be much better for Lville to win at Clemson.

i've also pointed out that two years ago Watson did not play most of the game. you keep talking about the last two seasons but has nothing to do with this season. Our stud NFL talent WR Mike Williams did not play last year.

Kap never went to Clemson but acts like he's like the spokesperson for Clemson. He says a lot of stuff that I never heard any Clemson alumni say.

Kap has never exposed anybody as a moron. he is just a guy with poor people skills and arrogance. he is one of these guys who think CLemson is too good to play NC State, SC etc. it seems like he miserable with CU playing ACC teams so it would make sense or him to just root for a SEC team given he's a sidewalk ffan. he is a debbie downer.


for some reason it offends our abrasive hero Kap that I pointed out Lville only had like 20 yards rushing in the game against Clemson last year, or that 1 of their TDS was a kickoff return touchdown, and discussed other statistics in the game etc.

You're right, Kap didn't expose you as a moron. You did a great job of that all by yourself.

how have i exposed myself as a moron? What have I said that is factually wrong or illogical.

it is not personal if somebody thinks Lville may be overhyped at this point and that the team with probably the best QB in football is going to beat Lville easily at home.


I'm a mechanical engineer. I'm probably not a moron.

your buddy Kap likes to call me 'embarrassing to other Clemson fans', but he brown noses FSU and SEC teams on here.

(07-28-2016 03:04 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(07-27-2016 08:54 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ....because they are FSU, and they own the ACC

that hasn't been true since expansion.

FSU's O line was terrible last year, and they will either have the same QB from last year who is not that great, or they will be using an unproven QB. They also lost some talent to the NFL. if they weren't FSU, i don' thtink people would be touting them so much at this point.

FSU's OLine was bad last year, very young and hurt all year. It seemed like new players each game. They are all back and healthy with another year under their belt and summer lifting weights.

QB was not great compared to Deshaun Watson or Jameis Winston, but he is not a horrible QB. If someone starts over Sean Maguire, then I trust they are significantly better to displace a RS Senior. Also, if you don't have an elite QB it helps to have an elite RB.

Both FSU and Clemson lost talent to the NFL last year, arguably Clemson lost more.

2015 was a known rebuilding year for FSU, the next 2 should be better.

This season has me nervous with the season starting with a Monday night game against a ranked Ole Miss, turn around on a short week to play our scrub at home then right on the road to play a tough Louisville team (really happy this is going to be a noon game). Stay on the road for South Fl then come home to UNC then back on the road again for miami. In that run Louisville still scares me... I can really see the Atlantic with 3 one loss teams (Louisville beats FSU, FSU beats Clemson, Clemson beats Louisville with all the home teams winning). Also a little worried about miami... simple statistics say they are due.

That means FSU probably faces 4 ranked teams in the first 6 weeks with only 2 games (one scrub and UNC) at home. If FSU makes it through that unscathed, then the 10/29 game will be a primetime game in Doak and will be electric. FSU almost pulled out the game last year (missed a first down by inches), so the talent is not a mismatch. Just need a break from the injury fairy... I am expecting a good game.

Clemson has its own issues with the schedule, but if the team stays focused it should do well. Best of luck (until the 29th!)

i have no doubt FSU is probably capable of beating Clemson.

my point is at this point in the off season and given how FSU played in their bowl game with Houston, i think that is more realistic to expect Clemson to beat FSU. Once the season starts and we see the teams in action, I will adjust my opinion accordingly.

i think FSU will beat Ole Miss. they lost a lot of players including that big WR Treadwell or whatever. they struggled to run the ball last year at the RB position.

i do think Clemson will have at least one loss in the ACC this year. it is tough to go undefeated in your conference two years in a row.

i think the Friday night game at BC looks like the classic trap game and BC starters usually ball out against clemson but they usually lose at the end do to lack of depth. they've been solid on defense last few years but haven't found a QB so far.

(07-30-2016 01:47 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i have no doubt FSU is probably capable of beating Clemson.

my point is at this point in the off season and given how FSU played in their bowl game with Houston, i think that is more realistic to expect Clemson to beat FSU. Once the season starts and we see the teams in action, I will adjust my opinion accordingly.

i think FSU will beat Ole Miss. they lost a lot of players including that big WR Treadwell or whatever. they struggled to run the ball last year at the RB position.

i do think Clemson will have at least one loss in the ACC this year. it is tough to go undefeated in your conference two years in a row.

i think the Friday night game at BC looks like the classic trap game and BC starters usually ball out against clemson but they usually lose at the end do to lack of depth. they've been solid on defense last few years but haven't found a QB so far.

You do realize that FSU played that game with an injured QB (broken foot) and the backup QB deciding to just skip the last game because he was benched right?

No way Jimbo was going to burn a shirt to win the Peach bowl.

Again, good luck until we meet. Should be a heck of a game.

Anyone that says what they do in order to sway opinions on their intelligence may not be the brightest.

i feel good saying that I think I have more intelligence than you and Kap. Kap is a conceited redneck.

if you want to argue that a mechanical engineer is stupid, go for it.

i think KAP has a problem with alcohol b/c he is always babbling on about Syracuse.

This thread has worn out its usefulness.