Just saying! Theoretically, isn't it about the keeping the television markets including Houston area. Also, note Rice would seem to be an academic "fit" to match the current privates of Tulane, Tulsa and SMU in the western division along the service academy of Navy. Memphis would be the only so-called public in the western division.

(07-24-2016 11:29 PM)Pelican Power Wrote:  Just saying! Theoretically, isn't it about the keeping the television markets including Houston area. Also, note Rice would seem to be a academic "fit" to match the current privates of Tulane, Tulsa and SMU in the western division along the service academy of Navy. Memphis would be the only so-called public in the western division.

I have always had a soft spot for rice, I would be happy to see them get in.

David Bailiff is right where he needs to be.

The AAC needs programs that are committed to competing on the highest level.

There is nothing more this conference's detractors would love than for the AAC to bring in Rice.

Bring in UMass before considering Rice. More upside.

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Rice doesn't support their athletics department.

The AAC needs someone who does so I'm going to say NO to Rice.

(07-25-2016 01:27 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  


David Bailiff is right where he needs to be.

The AAC needs programs that are committed to competing on the highest level.

There is nothing more this conference's detractors would love than for the AAC to bring in Rice.

Bring in UMass before considering Rice. More upside.

Are you high?

UMass couldn't even nut up to keep their MAC invite because they wouldn't back their football.

(07-24-2016 11:29 PM)Pelican Power Wrote:  Just saying! Theoretically, isn't it about the keeping the television markets including Houston area. Also, note Rice would seem to be a academic "fit" to match the current privates of Tulane, Tulsa and SMU in the western division along the service academy of Navy. Memphis would be the only so-called public in the western division.

No. No. No. Rice has no fans and don't mean squat in the Houston market.

(07-25-2016 06:26 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rice doesn't support their athletics department.

The AAC needs someone who does so I'm going to say NO to Rice.

If Houston leaves the American, why would Houston fans care who replaces them? We don't (and shouldn't) have a say.

(07-25-2016 06:56 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 06:26 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rice doesn't support their athletics department.

The AAC needs someone who does so I'm going to say NO to Rice.

If Houston leaves the American, why would Houston fans care who replaces them? We don't (and shouldn't) have a say.

this a fan board and i personally care... i kinda really like this league, and whether we move or not i will still be supportive of the league

the AAC gave us a platform for growth,
also realignment in general in always a topic of conversation even for those not involved.. im certain most houston fans would talk who they think will replace us if we leave

(07-25-2016 06:33 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  UMass couldn't even nut up to keep their MAC invite because they wouldn't back their football.

thats not true at all

umass couldnt keep their mac invite becuase umass thought it was too good to put its basketball in the mac,

the Mac gave them an ultimatum that they wanted all or nothing before negotiating their new deal, umass choose nothing

Simple no UMASS or Rice

(07-25-2016 07:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 06:56 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 06:26 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rice doesn't support their athletics department.

The AAC needs someone who does so I'm going to say NO to Rice.

If Houston leaves the American, why would Houston fans care who replaces them? We don't (and shouldn't) have a say.

this a fan board and i personally care... i kinda really like this league, and whether we move or not i will still be supportive of the league

the AAC gave us a platform for growth,
also realignment in general in always a topic of conversation even for those not involved.. im certain most houston fans would talk who they think will replace us if we leave

Everything what pesik said here ^^^

IMO rice will be the favorite to be added if houston leaves
just from listening to what the big 12 presidents have been saying and seeing how we are on a lesser budget

supposedly half the Big 12 is worried about travel cost despite getting 34 mil each after tier 3 rights are added

all our lower budget aac teams are in the west..you are asking them to replace a close drive with a far east team over a 1000 miles away, with the east coast suggestions

more so:
1) tulsa, tulane, smu and navy are heavily reliant on texas recruits especially houston
2) they wont want to elevate a new school like utsa, more specially smu..
3) they are all like minded schools
4) they have history together probably still in contact and rice and baliff are probably one of the most respected people in the game (remember tulane got to be voted on through ucf lobbying for them)
5) there is no shoe in obvious option
6) presidents who also oversee academics are voting, rice is the #1 school in the south and a former swc team

i think you guys are looking at desired, on what this or that team can do from your perspective...im sure 0% big 10 fans werent even mention rutgers
im looking at it not from desired like you guys but from the perspective of the president and likely scenerios

I would doubt that the AAC adds another very small, private university. About 6k students and runs fifth in their own market. What's the point? It's not like the tv execs don't know that nobody is watching them.

I'd be more afraid that Tulsa, Tulane and SMU start talking to the MWC if we lose three schools. If we lose a package of Cinci, Memphis and Houston... At that point I can see them thinking about their options.

To me, if we only lose Houston, then we push hard for army. If we lose Cinci and Houston then we consider staying at 10 unless we can draw some MWC members. Adding CUSA, Mac or sunbelt adds no value to our conference.

If we lose 1 add 1, lose 2 add zero, lose 3 add 1, lose 4 add 2. Rice is gonna have to show a willingness to do what SMU and Tulane did, commit to spending the vast resources they do have on coaches and facilities. Rice absolutely can afford to do whatever they want, but I'm not convinced they have the stomach to. The obvious candidates for me are Army/Air Force, but past that it's whoever is willing to spend and upgrade at the level pretty much everyone in the AAC has done. Athletic budget and recent or planned facility upgrades would be very important to me. I'd want to see who is already growing and spending money before a move and not who says they'll do it after a move.

From an unbiased perspective, I'm not sure it makes sense to have Rice as the top choice, IMO. Rice is a very slightly better version of Tulane (better academics, better area for recruiting, bigger football stadium, more success in football over last 15 years, better baseball, worse men's basketball). The AAC West already has three small private schools with limited fan support, so not sure adding Tulane 1.1 is really going to do anything, other than get closer to recreating the C-USA West of the late 2000s.

That said, the Houston recruiting area is a prized one (note I said recruiting area, not media market. Rice delivers the Houston media market as much as Tulane, SMU or Tulsa deliver their respective media markets, which is to say not at all) - I mean, Navy is in the West division solely because they wanted the opportunity to play in front of Texas recruits each year. Adding Southern Miss or Louisiana Tech does not deliver the same recruiting area availability to AAC teams. Rice's stadium is also larger than any other stadium in the current AAC West, other than the Liberty Bowl. Additionally, Rice is putting the finishing touches on an end zone facility / sports performance center, which was funded with private and university donations. Furthermore, another ho-hum year from our football team will likely see Bailiff be given his walking papers. But, to b0ndsj0ns point, Rice will need to show it is willing to a) pay big boy money for its next football coaching staff (we've already done that for basketball) and b) continue to improve facilities. Our stadium is larger than others, but it certainly doesn't have the "new factor" like SMU's/Tulane's.

I don't see a lot of value adding Army - no strong athletic teams, not located in a great HS football hotbed. Obviously, they command a big potential TV audience, but so does Navy, and Navy is actually good.

All that said - I think Rice will be considered, but think that a school like Southern Miss would probably deliver more firepower to the AAC. Historically strong football, decent basketball, strong baseball, a good level of university support and a sizable fan base are all big positives for USM. No, southern Mississippi is not going to deliver the same population/recruiting base as the greater Houston area, but the AAC would undoubtedly be better from a competitive standpoint.

No more tiny private schools. We already have the quota here. I can live with Southern Miss, Marshall, ODU, or Charlotte if we expand. A houston area recruit isn't going to come to ucf or another AAC because Rice is in the league.

Take ODU and Southern Miss if we lose 2 schools (assuming Army says no). Add Wichita State basketball only along with VCU.

Posted this in another thread but this is all you need to know.

http://oir.rice.edu/factbook/alumni/geog...ed_states/

50,879 living alumni in the entire United States.

Rice is an outstanding school just not an option when it comes to most leagues.

They simply are too small.

(07-25-2016 10:28 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  Posted this in another thread but this is all you need to know.

http://oir.rice.edu/factbook/alumni/geog...ed_states/

50,879 living alumni in the entire United States.

Rice is an outstanding school just not an option when it comes to most leagues.

They simply are too small.

Just hope now that the private smaller schools now have a bigger voting block by % this doesn't happen with Rice. I'll take Army just from a accretive standpoint of the football contract. ODU for potential. Southern Miss from a standpoint of playing at a high level over most of 20 years.

(07-25-2016 06:26 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Rice doesn't support their athletics department.

The AAC needs someone who does so I'm going to say NO to Rice.

It just looks petty for a UH fan to argue against Rice joining the American if Houston moves up.