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based on fan interest and average attendance best fit for b12
while Texas and Oklahoma obviously carry a huge fan base that effects the conference averages. which candidates fit best?

school avg FB attendence avg BB attendence

candidate 1 58,532 16,125
Oklahoma st 57,668 7,897
B12 average 57,347 10,181
Iowa st 56,519 14,295
Texas tech 56,340 6,623
WVU 54,826 10,189
Kansas st 53,100 12,549

TCU 46,767 6,650
Baylor 46,160 8,650
candidate 2 43,802 13,915

candidate 3 37,096 9,994
candidate 4 33,980 2,635
candidate 5 30,065 4,087

candidate 6 28,224 10,687
Kansas 27,282 16,383
candidate 7 26,578 3,401
candidate 8 24,917 4,854
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RE: based on fan interest and average attendance best fit for b12
The home attendance of BYU (candidate 1) is one of the reasons the Cougars are a must get for the conference. The Big XII lags behind its neighbor conferences in attendance, so they should obviously invite BYU, who was 30th overall in 2015. That ranking would have placed them third in the Big XII in 2015.

Candidate 2 is Memphis, who enjoyed the 2nd largest home attendance increase last season. They still must overcome academic concerns. You don't list East Carolina with their 43,274, though they too have academic hurdles. Candidates 3-5 are Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. I think that is the cutoff of actual candidates, although some might argue that candidate 6 (UConn) has enough basketball attendance to overcome their shortcomings in football. I don't buy it, especially considering the geographical problem. Temple would be as attractive with over 44,000 in football attendance and around 6,500 in basketball and the Philly market, but they would also be an outlier.
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(07-24-2016 11:19 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  The home attendance of BYU (candidate 1) is one of the reasons the Cougars are a must get for the conference. The Big XII lags behind its neighbor conferences in attendance, so they should obviously invite BYU, who was 30th overall in 2015. That ranking would have placed them third in the Big XII in 2015.

Candidate 2 is Memphis, who enjoyed the 2nd largest home attendance increase last season. They still must overcome academic concerns. You don't list East Carolina with their 43,274, though they too have academic hurdles. Candidates 3-5 are Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. I think that is the cutoff of actual candidates, although some might argue that candidate 6 (UConn) has enough basketball attendance to overcome their shortcomings in football. I don't buy it, especially considering the geographical problem. Temple would be as attractive with over 44,000 in football attendance and around 6,500 in basketball and the Philly market, but they would also be an outlier.
Temple isn't an outlier if you are taking UConn

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(07-24-2016 11:19 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  The home attendance of BYU (candidate 1) is one of the reasons the Cougars are a must get for the conference. The Big XII lags behind its neighbor conferences in attendance, so they should obviously invite BYU, who was 30th overall in 2015. That ranking would have placed them third in the Big XII in 2015.

Candidate 2 is Memphis, who enjoyed the 2nd largest home attendance increase last season. They still must overcome academic concerns. You don't list East Carolina with their 43,274, though they too have academic hurdles. Candidates 3-5 are Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. I think that is the cutoff of actual candidates, although some might argue that candidate 6 (UConn) has enough basketball attendance to overcome their shortcomings in football. I don't buy it, especially considering the geographical problem. Temple would be as attractive with over 44,000 in football attendance and around 6,500 in basketball and the Philly market, but they would also be an outlier.

The Big 12 is easily 3rd in average football attendance, behind the SEC and B1G, comfortably ahead of the Pac 12 and ACC.
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27,000? It's a good thing Kansas already in.
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Memphis is a sleeping giant. If Memphis averages 2nd of the candidates, imagine what will happen with a few years of sustained success and then imagine what it would be in a conference like the Big 12. We have so much to build on and we now have the commitment to build.
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Candidate 9 45,814 4,801
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(07-24-2016 10:41 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  while Texas and Oklahoma obviously carry a huge fan base that effects the conference averages. which candidates fit best?

school avg FB attendence avg BB attendence

candidate 1 58,532 16,125
Oklahoma st 57,668 7,897
B12 average 57,347 10,181
Iowa st 56,519 14,295
Texas tech 56,340 6,623
WVU 54,826 10,189
Kansas st 53,100 12,549

TCU 46,767 6,650
Baylor 46,160 8,650
candidate 2 43,802 13,915
candidate 9 45,814 4,801

candidate 3 37,096 9,994
candidate 4 33,980 2,635
candidate 5 30,065 4,087

candidate 6 28,224 10,687
Kansas 27,282 16,383
candidate 7 26,578 3,401
candidate 8 24,917 4,854

FIFY
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RE: based on fan interest and average attendance best fit for b12
(07-24-2016 10:41 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  while Texas and Oklahoma obviously carry a huge fan base that effects the conference averages. which candidates fit best?

school avg FB attendence avg BB attendence

candidate 1 58,532 16,125
Oklahoma st 57,668 7,897
B12 average 57,347 10,181
Iowa st 56,519 14,295
Texas tech 56,340 6,623
WVU 54,826 10,189
Kansas st 53,100 12,549

TCU 46,767 6,650
Baylor 46,160 8,650
candidate 2 43,802 13,915

candidate 3 37,096 9,994
candidate 4 33,980 2,635
candidate 5 30,065 4,087

candidate 6 28,224 10,687
Kansas 27,282 16,383
candidate 7 26,578 3,401
candidate 8 24,917 4,854

You are glossing over the fact that "candidate 2" averaged 26K attendance in the five seasons prior to this one. I don't doubt that Memphis' attendance would be helped significantly by being in the Big XII. But it is not that conference's mission to improve Memphis' situation. It must be Memphis' mission to improve the Big XII's.
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RE: based on fan interest and average attendance best fit for b12
(07-25-2016 09:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-24-2016 10:41 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  while Texas and Oklahoma obviously carry a huge fan base that effects the conference averages. which candidates fit best?

school avg FB attendence avg BB attendence

candidate 1 58,532 16,125
Oklahoma st 57,668 7,897
B12 average 57,347 10,181
Iowa st 56,519 14,295
Texas tech 56,340 6,623
WVU 54,826 10,189
Kansas st 53,100 12,549

TCU 46,767 6,650
Baylor 46,160 8,650
candidate 2 43,802 13,915

candidate 3 37,096 9,994
candidate 4 33,980 2,635
candidate 5 30,065 4,087

candidate 6 28,224 10,687
Kansas 27,282 16,383
candidate 7 26,578 3,401
candidate 8 24,917 4,854

You are glossing over the fact that "candidate 2" averaged 26K attendance in the five seasons prior to this one. I don't doubt that Memphis' attendance would be helped significantly by being in the Big XII. But it is not that conference's mission to improve Memphis' situation. It must be Memphis' mission to improve the Big XII's.

Well, interesting that you would cite the improvement then say they need to improve...
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Forget attendance. The financial strength of an athletic department is better measured by department revenues, which reflect schools' ability to monetize their fans' interest through premium ticket prices, donations, local media rights, merchandise, etc., in addition to attendance. Here is the most recent information from the federal Equity in Athletics Database. There are two clear leaders.

Code:
UConn  $72,155,789
BYU    $59,032,406
UCF    $51,871,022
ECU    $48,743,915
USF    $46,895,838
UH    $45,437,943
SDSU  $44,834,016
UC    $42,861,532
UM    $41,420,631
UNLV    $39,926,403
TU    $39,888,882
Code:
CSU    $37,223,186
BSU    $35,992,446
UNM    $33,278,566
It's also worth noting that BYU has only a minimal expense for scholarships, since all LDS students receive free tuition. This is probably worth another $7 million in revenue equivalent to its athletic department assuming state school tuition levels.
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RE: based on fan interest and average attendance best fit for b12
(07-24-2016 11:19 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  The home attendance of BYU (candidate 1) is one of the reasons the Cougars are a must get for the conference. The Big XII lags behind its neighbor conferences in attendance, so they should obviously invite BYU, who was 30th overall in 2015. That ranking would have placed them third in the Big XII in 2015.

Candidate 2 is Memphis, who enjoyed the 2nd largest home attendance increase last season. They still must overcome academic concerns. You don't list East Carolina with their 43,274, though they too have academic hurdles. Candidates 3-5 are Cincinnati, Houston and UCF. I think that is the cutoff of actual candidates, although some might argue that candidate 6 (UConn) has enough basketball attendance to overcome their shortcomings in football. I don't buy it, especially considering the geographical problem. Temple would be as attractive with over 44,000 in football attendance and around 6,500 in basketball and the Philly market, but they would also be an outlier.

I have great respect for ECU and think they do a fantastic job bringing in fans, It was not my intention to exclude them, but didn't realize they were being seriously considered given their location.

Temple lead the G5 last year at 44k, but they hosted PSU and ND. they won't avg 44k this year and also hadn't read anything about them being considered.
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(07-25-2016 09:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-24-2016 10:41 PM)nastar36 Wrote:  while Texas and Oklahoma obviously carry a huge fan base that effects the conference averages. which candidates fit best?

school avg FB attendence avg BB attendence

candidate 1 58,532 16,125
Oklahoma st 57,668 7,897
B12 average 57,347 10,181
Iowa st 56,519 14,295
Texas tech 56,340 6,623
WVU 54,826 10,189
Kansas st 53,100 12,549

TCU 46,767 6,650
Baylor 46,160 8,650
candidate 2 43,802 13,915

candidate 3 37,096 9,994
candidate 4 33,980 2,635
candidate 5 30,065 4,087

candidate 6 28,224 10,687
Kansas 27,282 16,383
candidate 7 26,578 3,401
candidate 8 24,917 4,854

You are glossing over the fact that "candidate 2" averaged 26K attendance in the five seasons prior to this one. I don't doubt that Memphis' attendance would be helped significantly by being in the Big XII. But it is not that conference's mission to improve Memphis' situation. It must be Memphis' mission to improve the Big XII's.
While I do agree it is the candidates mission to improve the Big XII. I think perhaps you missed the whole point on this exercise of leaving out the school names. Candidate 2 on a level playing field with other G5 schools, esp the ones most often mentioned for expansion, is simply the most closely aligned with the current teams and would have the least improving to do to surpass the 57K average. They have a 60,000 seat stadium and are ready to go right now. No expansions needed. Also they would instantly improve the Big XII's BB attendance avg.
It's the other candidates that would have the most work to do to get ahead.
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One season average shouldn't count. Before our 0-12 debacle last year, UCF averaged 40k since 2007 and holds the 3rd highest G5 attendance average since then. Why 2007, that's when we opened our stadium on-campus. Also, still averaging 30k in a G5 conference while going 0-12 says something. Although you can point out 0-12 and start a whole new topic there.
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(07-25-2016 11:31 PM)Goldenbuc Wrote:  One season average shouldn't count. Before our 0-12 debacle last year, UCF averaged 40k since 2007 and holds the 3rd highest G5 attendance average since then. Why 2007, that's when we opened our stadium on-campus. Also, still averaging 30k in a G5 conference while going 0-12 says something. Although you can point out 0-12 and start a whole new topic there.

I think when discussing where programs are currently at, the most up to date information available should count.
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