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Debate question
If the ACC produces a one loss team this season, with the increased respect the conference has gained in football, would it be good enough for a spot in the playoff? Obviously there are a lot of variables but let's assume there are only one or two undefeated teams left.
07-23-2016 05:45 PM
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RE: Debate question
A good question....
I doubt a one loss team every makes the playoffs ahead of an undefeated P5 champion.
I would expect the criteria would be something like this:

1. 2 or less Undefeated P5 teams - always get in
2. 1 or more 1 loss P5 teams - strongest schedule

I believe the CFP committee follows same criteria.
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RE: Debate question
If all of the P5 champions have one loss or fewer, the ACC will have as good a chance as anybody. I doubt a 2 loss team could bump them, even an SEC champion.

I tend to think that over time the committee will try to avoid singling out any one of the P5 conferences by leaving them out frequently. So far, we are 2-0, so if we are a tossup with another 1-loss P5 who has already been left out of the party at least once (B12 and PAC) they might have an edge.

I don't think at this point we would get left out just because of a perception that we aren't as strong as other P5's. I think we're past that, and it will depend on who our champion is and who they've played, not what conference they are in.
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RE: Debate question
I think the ACC is still at a perception disadvantage. Not only do I think we don't get in over a P5 undefeated; I don't think we get in over any other P5 1 loss teams. So to get in we'd have 1 or 2 undefeateds, a 1 loss team and then no other team has less than 2 losses. There's also the outside chance the ACC gets passed over for a 2 loss SEC team.
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RE: Debate question
If it is a close loss to a good team early in the season, it is possible. If they lose in the CCG, no.
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07-23-2016 09:58 PM
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RE: Debate question
So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.
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I think that could happen. Or something similar maybe not those exact teams.
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RE: Debate question
(07-23-2016 10:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.

In that scenario, I think Clemson misses out on the CFP based on the perceived weakness of the ACC.
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RE: Debate question
(07-23-2016 10:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-23-2016 10:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.

In that scenario, I think Clemson misses out on the CFP based on the perceived weakness of the ACC.
So which of the PAC B12 or B10 would get the bid as a one loss?
07-23-2016 11:28 PM
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RE: Debate question
This might happen.

FSU 11-1
VILLE 11-1
Clem 11-1

I could see a possible case where:
FSU loses at the VILLE
VILLE loses at CLEM
CLEM loses at FSU.

LET THE FUN BEGIN.
07-24-2016 12:17 AM
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(07-23-2016 11:28 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(07-23-2016 10:45 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(07-23-2016 10:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.

In that scenario, I think Clemson misses out on the CFP based on the perceived weakness of the ACC.
So which of the PAC B12 or B10 would get the bid as a one loss?

Assuming each of the P12, B12 and B1G have a 1 loss champion then all three get in and Houston doesn't make the CFP.
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RE: Debate question
(07-24-2016 12:17 AM)Bigtexnole Wrote:  This might happen.

FSU 11-1
VILLE 11-1
Clem 11-1

I could see a possible case where:
FSU loses at the VILLE
VILLE loses at CLEM
CLEM loses at FSU.

LET THE FUN BEGIN.

In that scenario, FSU is in the play offs with a strong schedule. They would be coming into the discussion with a wins over 2 SEC teams (Ole Miss & uf), Clemson (ranked), UNC (most likely ranked), miami (probably ranked), and the coastal champ (ranked). If FSU can make it to the ACC Championship they will have likely faced 7 ranked teams over the season.

I think Clemson can make it with one loss if they win the ACC, not sure the schedule is tough enough to make it with out the championship. They will play 4 or 5 ranked teams if they make it to the championship game, but they will also be given the benefit of the doubt given last year's team performance (IMO).
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RE: Debate question
(07-23-2016 10:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.

In this scenario, I think that Houston would be left out, along with whichever P5 champion whose conference had been left out furthest in the past. That was essentially the way the B1G broke the tie for its co-champions in deciding who went to the Rose Bowl. The one who had been there for the longest time.
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(07-23-2016 10:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.

In this scenario were Houston is undefeated & Clemson losing to Louisville, you need to mention that Houston would have a win over Louisville then. Houston would have beaten the team that beat Clemson. That would strengthen Houston case. They would also have a victory over Oklahoma.
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RE: Debate question
(07-24-2016 07:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-23-2016 10:12 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  So let's say this happens,

Clemson goes 12-1 with the loss coming to Louisville
ACC champ win over a 9-3 UNC or Miami
The SEC champ is undefeated LSU.
All other conferences have a one loss team
Plus an undefeated Houston team

Who would y'all say would get the nod if the schedule and losses were similar to Clemson.

In this scenario were Houston is undefeated & Clemson losing to Louisville, you need to mention that Houston would have a win over Louisville then. Houston would have beaten the team that beat Clemson. That would strengthen Houston case. They would also have a victory over Oklahoma.

I think personally that if Houston runs the table they are in and that's why I said them. I think Clemson would have a decent shot based on program success and two SEC wins plus FSU. I also think Pitt has a good enough team to end up a top 25 squad.
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