(07-23-2016 02:39 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 02:23 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 01:41 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 08:43 AM)ken d Wrote:  That's not exactly what he said. He said he would support considering Houston. Those are weasel words.

The Governor and Lt Governor have said "No Big 12 expansion without Houston."

If the Big 12 expands without UH, then UT and Tech will suffer politically. The "We tried but got voted down by those pesky out of state schools" excuse won't cut it with Abbott, Patrick, Whitmire and the rest.

So Houston is in if the Big 12 expands. And because of that, 14 is more likely than 12.

I was citing what the UT president said, not the Governor or Lt Governor. And neither of those politicians said that UT and/or Texas Tech must vote to expand at all. For all we know, they may have counted the votes and determined that their insistence on Houston or no expansion would likely scuttle expansion (which is what UT has wanted all along). In the process, two elected officials would have come out in support of a major bloc of Texas voters without having to pay any price for that. That's smart politics.

That memo is as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Houston is not a stone cold lock for the Big 12. If you don't believe me ask the Louisville fans about UCONN's stone cold lock invite to the ACC in 2012.

(07-23-2016 02:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm going with Houston, Cincy, USF And UCF

This is clearly the most logical choice.

(07-23-2016 06:14 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 02:32 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  I'm going with Houston, Cincy, USF And UCF

Of course you are. Got to keep UCONN down in the dregs so you 'Cuse people can feel superior.

Hey I've been a UConn supporter to the ACC...I just don't think UConn makes sense due to geography. If the B12 went to 16 it might make some sense to include UConn. I think Memphis is another school to look at. Without politics I think Memphis would be an easier pick over Houston for the B12 members. For UCF/USF: I just don't think adding just one school to Florida does much for the B12...they need to add two to get some market presence...that screws over UConn and Memphis.

Houston and Cincy seem like slam dunks to me due to politics (Houston) and geography (throw WVU a good close program). That leaves two teams left....hence my Florida picks.

My darkhorse pick is the shun Florida and the B12 goes with the the "Hail Mary" AAC plan--->Houston, Memphis, Cincy and UConn...I just see the draw too enticing to the B12 to try to capture a chunk of Florida.

BYU and UConn could both work for football only. Not sure why you want UConn for football only though but it would bring east coast exposure. Add houston and Cincy for full membership to go with those 2 football only.

I think if they wind up with football only choices, it will be UC and Memphis all sports, and BYU and Boise for football only. If Houston gets in with a political push, then bump out Boise.

(07-24-2016 09:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think if they wind up with football only choices, it will be UC and Memphis all sports, and BYU and Boise for football only. If Houston gets in with a political push, then bump out Boise.

So then you would have 13 all sports and BYU partial?

(07-24-2016 09:37 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 09:28 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I think if they wind up with football only choices, it will be UC and Memphis all sports, and BYU and Boise for football only. If Houston gets in with a political push, then bump out Boise.

So then you would have 13 all sports and BYU partial?

Yeah, not a problem to have an odd number in basketball. No need for divisions. ACC has ND for Oly sports only. AAC has Navy for FB only.

But right now, unless Houston gets in, it's likely 2 FB only, and 12 all sports, IMO.

I'm not really seeing a logical reason to go past 12 despite the wishful thinking here. If Houston is getting in, that's the missing puzzle piece. You can bridge WVU with UC and consolidate your Houston position with UH, and have sensible geography and divisions. If I was a Memphis or Uconn fan I'd understand the 14 team agenda, and I realize some people higher up have tossed the notion of 14, but I think 12 is very logical for this instance.

(07-24-2016 10:44 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I'm not really seeing a logical reason to go past 12 despite the wishful thinking here. If Houston is getting in, that's the missing puzzle piece. You can bridge WVU with UC and consolidate your Houston position with UH, and have sensible geography and divisions. If I was a Memphis or Uconn fan I'd understand the 14 team agenda, and I realize some people higher up have tossed the notion of 14, but I think 12 is very logical for this instance.

I was told that the Big 12 has indicated to Memphis that they plan to add 4. For some reason, they might not, but we have the impression that is their intent. We'll see.

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That memo is as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Houston is not a stone cold lock for the Big 12. If you don't believe me ask the Louisville fans about UCONN's stone cold lock invite to the ACC in 2012.
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As long Swofford is AD or anyone in connection with Swofford is AD, UCONN will never get in the ACC. UCONN burned it's ACC bridge when it took the ACC to court over the first Expansion.

If the Big 12 does get BYU football only does that open the door for Boise as well? Boise, BYU, Cinci and Houston would be solid football adds. Cinci and Houston would fit in well with B12 Baseketball.

That memo is as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Houston is not a stone cold lock for the Big 12. If you don't believe me ask the Louisville fans about UCONN's stone cold lock invite to the ACC in 2012.
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As long Swofford is AD or anyone in connection with Swofford is AD, UCONN will never get in the ACC. UCONN burned it's ACC bridge when it took the ACC to court over the first Expansion.

If the Big 12 does get BYU football only does that open the door for Boise as well? Boise, BYU, Cinci and Houston would be solid football adds. Cinci and Houston would fit in well with B12 Baseketball.
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Pitt was also part of the UCONN lawsuit. In fact they spearheaded said lawsuit. Remind me again what conference Pitt is in? Because it sure as heck isn't the AAC.

Using the lawsuit as an excuse to keep UCONN out of the ACC died the very day the ACC invited Pitt.

Thanks for playing.

(07-24-2016 04:38 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:18 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

That memo is as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Houston is not a stone cold lock for the Big 12. If you don't believe me ask the Louisville fans about UCONN's stone cold lock invite to the ACC in 2012.

As long Swofford is AD or anyone in connection with Swofford is AD, UCONN will never get in the ACC. UCONN burned it's ACC bridge when it took the ACC to court over the first Expansion.

If the Big 12 does get BYU football only does that open the door for Boise as well? Boise, BYU, Cinci and Houston would be solid football adds. Cinci and Houston would fit in well with B12 Baseketball.
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Pitt was also part of the UCONN lawsuit. In fact they spearheaded said lawsuit. Remind me again what conference Pitt is in? Because it sure as heck isn't the AAC.

Using the lawsuit as an excuse to keep UCONN out of the ACC died the very day the ACC invited Pitt.

Thanks for playing.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/19/nyregi...llege.html

It was the State of Connecticut that led the fight. I have nothing against UCONN. I am glad NCSU signed a H/H with you all. However, as long as Swofford leads the ACC, the ACC will look at SMU, Memphis or at Navy if ND decides that is who they want.

IMHO, the ACC is done until 2036 unless ND wants in which is highly doubtful until a lack of a 13th game costs them a CFP spot. I think UCONN gets into the B12 unless B12 takes both BYU and Boise as football only. Otherwise I think it is Cinci and Houston full membership if they go with two partials. Have 12 basketball teams. Granted UCONN is the best basketball choice but Cincy will be WVU's travel partner.

That memo is as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Houston is not a stone cold lock for the Big 12. If you don't believe me ask the Louisville fans about UCONN's stone cold lock invite to the ACC in 2012.
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As long Swofford is AD or anyone in connection with Swofford is AD, UCONN will never get in the ACC. UCONN burned it's ACC bridge when it took the ACC to court over the first Expansion.

If the Big 12 does get BYU football only does that open the door for Boise as well? Boise, BYU, Cinci and Houston would be solid football adds. Cinci and Houston would fit in well with B12 Baseketball.
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If you want a true western, Mountain presence then I'd agree to take BSU if they can park Olympic sports elsewhere. BYU is already a crazy notion as it is, so maybe the Big 12 would double down with BSU.

The problem is Memphis football can be just as good as BSU given the right coach and program and their location, plus they give you instant BBall. That's why I don't see Memphis getting shafted for Boise.

UConn geography is also ridiculous, and if you go with BYU and UConn, that's practically a national conference, even if it's football only.

I like Memphis over BSU; I like UConn over Memphis, I don't like BYU and UConn together because of the travel. That's why I say leave them all out until the next round. Just get to 12 for now.

(07-24-2016 06:45 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(07-24-2016 11:18 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

That memo is as legit as a 3 dollar bill. Houston is not a stone cold lock for the Big 12. If you don't believe me ask the Louisville fans about UCONN's stone cold lock invite to the ACC in 2012.

As long Swofford is AD or anyone in connection with Swofford is AD, UCONN will never get in the ACC. UCONN burned it's ACC bridge when it took the ACC to court over the first Expansion.

If the Big 12 does get BYU football only does that open the door for Boise as well? Boise, BYU, Cinci and Houston would be solid football adds. Cinci and Houston would fit in well with B12 Baseketball.
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If you want a true western, Mountain presence then I'd agree to take BSU if they can park Olympic sports elsewhere. BYU is already a crazy notion as it is, so maybe the Big 12 would double down with BSU.

The problem is Memphis football can be just as good as BSU given the right coach and program and their location, plus they give you instant BBall. That's why I don't see Memphis getting shafted for Boise.

UConn geography is also ridiculous, and if you go with BYU and UConn, that's practically a national conference, even if it's football only.

I like Memphis over BSU; I like UConn over Memphis, I don't like BYU and UConn together because of the travel. That's why I say leave them all out until the next round. Just get to 12 for now.
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No argument about Memphis' potential. The Big 12 building on potential I think Memphis & UCF would be locks. Since it will likely be a reactive and quick decision I think B12 plays it safe. BYU and Boise football only, Cinci and Houston full Membership.